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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #60 - Jan 1st, 2015 at 2:03pm
 
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 1st, 2015 at 1:48pm:
Or we cut out the real BIG welfare: super rorts only the super rich can use, negative gearing, Apple, Google etc not paying company tax here, asset millionaires on the Old Age Pension and the like. That is where the BIG money us wasted


No argument, need to do that too.

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 1st, 2015 at 1:48pm:
I guess Swag is one of those who need to look down on others that are doing it tough


You guess wrong.
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Reply #61 - Jan 1st, 2015 at 2:16pm
 
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The Abbott government is to further increase the qualifying age for the age pension to 70 by July 1, 2035. The increase will be phased-in.  Expecting people to work until they are 70 years old, is a ridiculous idea.  Hopefully the good people in the senate, will stop this crazy idea.      Sad   


Makes FAR more sense to let those who wish to retire at 60 or 65 do so, and by
doing so free up jobs for the young waiting to get a foot in the workforce door.

Anything else is bloody-minded ideological stupidity.

Of course, we COULD get some job-creating infrastructure spending going.

But, wait! That'd be 'waste' wouldn't it?
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Reply #62 - Jan 1st, 2015 at 2:20pm
 
Kat wrote on Jan 1st, 2015 at 2:16pm:
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The Abbott government is to further increase the qualifying age for the age pension to 70 by July 1, 2035. The increase will be phased-in.  Expecting people to work until they are 70 years old, is a ridiculous idea.  Hopefully the good people in the senate, will stop this crazy idea.      Sad   


Makes FAR more sense to let those who wish to retire at 60 or 65 do so, and by
doing so free up jobs for the young waiting to get a foot in the workforce door.

Anything else is bloody-minded ideological stupidity.


You can retire when you want to Kat. 

Nothing stopping them doing what you suggest.  They just can't get the old age pension.
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Reply #63 - Jan 1st, 2015 at 4:05pm
 
Kat wrote on Jan 1st, 2015 at 2:16pm:
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The Abbott government is to further increase the qualifying age for the age pension to 70 by July 1, 2035. The increase will be phased-in.  Expecting people to work until they are 70 years old, is a ridiculous idea.  Hopefully the good people in the senate, will stop this crazy idea.      Sad   


Makes FAR more sense to let those who wish to retire at 60 or 65 do so, and by
doing so free up jobs for the young waiting to get a foot in the workforce door.

Anything else is bloody-minded ideological stupidity.

Of course, we COULD get some job-creating infrastructure spending going.

But, wait! That'd be 'waste' wouldn't it?

Yeah, hey radical idea, we could run out FTTH almost everywhere, really wire the nation and create jobs, boost exports and GDP. Oh, Rupert don’t like that so can’t do it. TRAITORS!
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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #64 - Jan 1st, 2015 at 4:05pm
 
Swagman wrote on Jan 1st, 2015 at 2:03pm:
St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 1st, 2015 at 1:48pm:
Or we cut out the real BIG welfare: super rorts only the super rich can use, negative gearing, Apple, Google etc not paying company tax here, asset millionaires on the Old Age Pension and the like. That is where the BIG money us wasted


No argument, need to do that too.

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 1st, 2015 at 1:48pm:
I guess Swag is one of those who need to look down on others that are doing it tough


You guess wrong.

Guess wrong? I am not so sure.
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Reply #65 - Jan 1st, 2015 at 4:59pm
 
Stop whining.  Not so long ago women could get the Age Pension at 60 and men had to wait until they were 65. 

Since 1992 it has been COMPULSORY for workers to have superannuation. So those who began work around that time should have their own back-up for retirement from about 2045. Will you be alive then?

Old Age surely doesn't mean it is your right to get a Government payout. Regardless.

Both sides of Government have realised this, thus the changes.

It is up to YOU to figure out what you do when you are 65+ ... IF you live that long .... and are close enough to retirement age .......... expecting a Government Age Pension because you are ELDERLY isn't one of them.

Your kids and grandkids will never get a Pension. They will fund their own retirement.
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Reply #66 - Jan 1st, 2015 at 5:25pm
 
Swagman wrote on Jan 1st, 2015 at 2:20pm:
Kat wrote on Jan 1st, 2015 at 2:16pm:
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The Abbott government is to further increase the qualifying age for the age pension to 70 by July 1, 2035. The increase will be phased-in.  Expecting people to work until they are 70 years old, is a ridiculous idea.  Hopefully the good people in the senate, will stop this crazy idea.      Sad   


Makes FAR more sense to let those who wish to retire at 60 or 65 do so, and by
doing so free up jobs for the young waiting to get a foot in the workforce door.

Anything else is bloody-minded ideological stupidity.


You can retire when you want to Kat. 

Nothing stopping them doing what you suggest.  They just can't get the old age pension.


It's not about me...
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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #67 - Jan 1st, 2015 at 6:17pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 1st, 2015 at 12:39pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 1st, 2015 at 11:49am:
Hard times???

Look at my inlaws in North Queensland.

Cash stashed all over the house!! Even my wife's lacrosse trophy she won as an 11 year old had a couple of grand hidden inside.

Theyve taken to calling their laundry cupboard "the bank" lol

I wouldnt buy some of the sob stories you hear of hardship. Things aint always what they seem!!



these are the same people that are crying out for their govt. rebates and subsidies right?


After paying taxes for 45 years right...
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Reply #68 - Jan 1st, 2015 at 6:41pm
 
Slogging on until you're 70?      Sad

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Crook knees: Labourer Paul Midson reckons he will be lucky to work beyond 60.      

Signs are we all may have to work longer: The Abbott government looks as though it's moving to tighten access to the age pension and increase the pension qualifying age to 70 when it delivers the budget on May 13.

Treasurer Joe Hockey has been giving speeches about the need for people to work for longer as the population ages.

The age pension age is already increasing to 67 by 2023, from 65 now for men and a little earlier for women born before 1949. Anyone born from January 1957 has a qualifying age of 67.      Sad

An increase to age 70 would also be phased in, to a date beyond 2023.


But the problem with a higher pension age is that many workers with physically demanding jobs will not be working to 70.

Paul Midson has worked for about 20 years as a builder's labourer. The 48-year-old has ''crook'' knees and shoulders. He has had operations on his knees. He works at least 60 hours a week, often longer.

''I reckon I will be lucky to last [in work] to 60,'' he says. Midson is fortunate. He has been employed by the same construction firm for the past 15 years in an industry where much of the work is casual and short-term. He has some superannuation but far from enough to fund a comfortable retirement.    

He is relying on the age pension and is opposed to the pension age rising further.      Huh    

With a higher pension age, more workers who are not medically fit to work will have to rely on the disability support pension until qualifying for the age pension. But those who lose their jobs and are still fit enough to work will have to fall back on the dole. And the Newstart allowance - unemployment benefits - pays much less than the disability support pension and the single age pension.    

Dave Noonan, construction and general national secretary of the construction and mining union, the CFMEU, says few construction workers are going to be able to work until 70. ''There may be a handful, but what we find is even if they are ready and willing to do so, construction workers past 50 find it much harder to gain and retain employment.''

Research by the Australian Centre for Financial Studies, commissioned by the Australian Institute of Superannuation Trustees, shows those working in community and personal services, in clerical and administrative roles, sales workers and labourers are up to 50 per cent more likely to retire before the age of 60 than professional workers.

Michael Rice, an actuary and chief executive of superannuation research firm Rice Warner, supports raising the pension age to 70 but reckons the age pension also needs to be better targeted to make the system fairer.

He points out that a partial age pension is payable for home-owning couples with incomes close to $65,000 a year who have more than $1 million in savings. Even if retirees qualify for a few dollars of the age pension each fortnight, they receive all of the pensioner discounts. These range from discounts on utilities bills and telephone rates to cheaper pharmaceuticals, and are likely to be worth thousands of dollars a year to most retiree couples.

The family home is exempt from the age pension assets test. Rice says the government should consider limiting the exemption on the family home. ''The exemption from means testing discourages many retirees from downsizing their home to release capital,'' he says.

The exemption could be limited to the first $1 million of the value of the family home, Rice suggests. A 65-year-old retiree couple could be living in a $3 million house and collect the full age pension. Assuming their life expectancy at age 65, the couple would receive about $700,000 in age pension. When they die, the house would pass to the children tax-free and the government would not receive any of the $700,000 back, he says.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/money/saving/slogging-on-until-youre-70-20140419-36xox.html#ixzz3NYafzG5X
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Re: Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Reply #69 - Jan 1st, 2015 at 8:13pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 1st, 2015 at 6:17pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 1st, 2015 at 12:39pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 1st, 2015 at 11:49am:
Hard times???

Look at my inlaws in North Queensland.

Cash stashed all over the house!! Even my wife's lacrosse trophy she won as an 11 year old had a couple of grand hidden inside.

Theyve taken to calling their laundry cupboard "the bank" lol

I wouldnt buy some of the sob stories you hear of hardship. Things aint always what they seem!!



these are the same people that are crying out for their govt. rebates and subsidies right?


After paying taxes for 45 years right...


obviously not as much as they should have ....
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Reply #70 - Jan 1st, 2015 at 8:27pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 1st, 2015 at 8:13pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 1st, 2015 at 6:17pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 1st, 2015 at 12:39pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 1st, 2015 at 11:49am:
Hard times???

Look at my inlaws in North Queensland.

Cash stashed all over the house!! Even my wife's lacrosse trophy she won as an 11 year old had a couple of grand hidden inside.

Theyve taken to calling their laundry cupboard "the bank" lol

I wouldnt buy some of the sob stories you hear of hardship. Things aint always what they seem!!



these are the same people that are crying out for their govt. rebates and subsidies right?


After paying taxes for 45 years right...


obviously not as much as they should have ....


As a PAYE on Queensland Rail?
Pretty sure he would have John.
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Reply #71 - Jan 1st, 2015 at 8:39pm
 
Sir Crook,
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Slogging on until you're 70?


I'll be lucky to work till 60.


e.g.

50% of  people over 50 have something wrong with their back.
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Reply #72 - Jan 1st, 2015 at 8:43pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 1st, 2015 at 8:27pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 1st, 2015 at 8:13pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 1st, 2015 at 6:17pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 1st, 2015 at 12:39pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jan 1st, 2015 at 11:49am:
Hard times???

Look at my inlaws in North Queensland.

Cash stashed all over the house!! Even my wife's lacrosse trophy she won as an 11 year old had a couple of grand hidden inside.

Theyve taken to calling their laundry cupboard "the bank" lol

I wouldnt buy some of the sob stories you hear of hardship. Things aint always what they seem!!



these are the same people that are crying out for their govt. rebates and subsidies right?


After paying taxes for 45 years right...


obviously not as much as they should have ....


As a PAYE on Queensland Rail?
Pretty sure he would have John.


not if their money is in cash hidden throughout the house they haven't ...
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Reply #73 - Jan 1st, 2015 at 8:49pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 1st, 2015 at 8:39pm:
Sir Crook,
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Slogging on until you're 70?


I'll be lucky to work till 60.


e.g.

50% of  people over 50 have something wrong with their back.


My back is fine, but my knees are shot. I'm 57.  Angry Angry
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Reply #74 - Jan 1st, 2015 at 8:52pm
 
Paul Midson has worked for about 20 years as a builder's labourer. The 48-year-old has ''crook'' knees and shoulders. He has had operations on his knees. He works at least 60 hours a week, often longer.      Sad

''I reckon I will be lucky to last [in work] to 60,'' he says. Midson is fortunate. He has been employed by the same construction firm for the past 15 years in an industry where much of the work is casual and short-term. He has some superannuation but far from enough to fund a comfortable retirement.      Sad   

He is relying on the age pension and is opposed to the pension age rising further.
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