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Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension
Dec 30th, 2014 at 6:06am
 
Hard times loom for too many boomers

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    December 29, 2014
    Brisbane Times

Retire in peace: For many baby boomers retirement may not be as comfortable as they would like.

The last of the baby boomers will turn 50 by the end of the this year. Often it is the big five-o that starts people to really think about saving for their retirement.

So with all of those born in the two decades to 1964 now either retired, or galloping toward it, there are bound to be changes to the economy and society in general.

Boomers have changed each life stage they have passed, and older boomers are redefining what it means to retire.




They want to be able to enjoy the lifestyle to which many have become accustomed during their working lives.

However, there are challenges. While many have benefited from rising house prices, for many others, the size of their superannuation accounts is not big enough to afford the retirements they would like.      Sad

More boomers are entering retirement with debt and their adult children are staying at home for longer, which is making it harder to save.

Not enough saved

A survey on behalf of industry super fund REST, released early last year, found a disconnect between what boomers expect their retirement to be like and what reality has in store.

It found 35 per cent of boomers described themselves are "completely unprepared" for retirement, 51 per cent as "somewhat prepared" and only 14 per cent as financially prepared.      Sad

Universal compulsory super only started in 1992, so boomers,  older ones in particular, have not had the benefit of the superannuation guarantee over their whole working lives.

In a second REST survey of over-50s, released in June this year, one quarter said they had less than $50,000 in super, with a further 12 per cent having $50,000 to $100,000 in super.

Not surprisingly, only half of over 50s say they are looking forward to retirement. It seems it is more likely to be outings in the tinnie rather than cruising down the Rhine or Loire.

"This group who started their working lives before the advent of compulsory superannuation are trapped between a rock and a hard place," says Damian Hill, the chief executive of REST.

Nearly two-thirds estimate they will need to rely on the age pension to supplement their retirement income, highlighting the fact that the system came too late for some to get the maximum impact," he said.

Wait for age pension

However, younger boomers are going to be waiting longer for the age pension and the pensioner concessions that come with it.

The Abbott government is to further increase the qualifying age for the age pension to 70 by July 1, 2035. The increase will be phased-in.      Sad

The higher qualifying age will affect younger boomers more than is likely realised. The exact qualifying age will depend on actual birth date but, very roughly, anyone aged about 49 or younger now will have a qualifying age of 70.

The youngest boomers (those aged about 50) will be waiting until they are 69 for the age pension. For those aged 55, it is 67 and for today's 60-year-old it is 66.

It is not just a longer wait for the pension, but starting in 2017 a couple of measures will tighten access to the pension and the fortnightly pension will be indexed to inflation, rather than to wages, which grows more quickly than inflation.

As well, it is only a matter of time before the preservation age, the age at which superannuation savings can be accessed, is increased. Like the increase in the age pension qualifying age it would be increased gradually, but could rise to age 65 to maintain the five-year gap with the new age pension qualifying age.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/money/planning/hard-times-loom-for-too-many-boomers-20141212-1266ig.html#ixzz3NJor5IzA
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Reply #1 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 6:08am
 
The Abbott government is to further increase the qualifying age for the age pension to 70 by July 1, 2035. The increase will be phased-in.      Sad
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Reply #2 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 6:29am
 
We could be creating a few generations of elderly Australians who have to go on unemployment benefits for a decade or so before getting a pension ?

Many are discarded by the employer in their 50's to save money on pay outs with long service etc and find themselves too old to find another job.
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Reply #3 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 6:37am
 
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The Abbott government is to further increase the qualifying age for the age pension to 70 by July 1, 2035. The increase will be phased-in.      Sad


Yes Sir Crook,
after a lifetime of paying for other people to get their pensions at 65
the baby boomers will be forced to work until 70
or have to apply for 40 nonexistent jobs every month
while living in poverty on the $242 a week dole.

What a rip-off.
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Reply #4 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 6:39am
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 6:29am:
We could be creating a few generations of elderly Australians who have to go on unemployment benefits for a decade or so before getting a pension ?

Many are discarded by the employer in their 50's to save money on pay outs with long service etc and find themselves too old to find another job.


Precisely, given that if you become redundant or unemployed in your 50's you may not get any other job of relevance again.Plus the fact that that will be maybe another 15 years of your working life where there has been no super contributions.
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Reply #5 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 8:17am
 
brumbie wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 6:39am:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 6:29am:
We could be creating a few generations of elderly Australians who have to go on unemployment benefits for a decade or so before getting a pension ?

Many are discarded by the employer in their 50's to save money on pay outs with long service etc and find themselves too old to find another job.


Precisely, given that if you become redundant or unemployed in your 50's you may not get any other job of relevance again.Plus the fact that that will be maybe another 15 years of your working life where there has been no super contributions.


You have to ask what real agenda is in play here - not even a politician can be that stupid.... though of course there is always a nice little 'board' job waiting for the failed politician who's already fed off the top paddock..... not like they'll ever be out of 'work'.
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Reply #6 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 9:24am
 
Yes the Boomers are retiring and leaving the workforce in increasing numbers.

The tax-payers that are left to pay for the extravagence of past generations....

1970s - 7 to 1

Today - 5 to 1 and nose diving

20 years - 2.7 to 1 if we are lucky

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Future tax-payers, the kids being born now and those just entering the work force will likely have to pay double the tax paid today to feed the retiring Boomers........ Cheesy

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Reply #7 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 9:32am
 
Hard times loom for baby boomers   Cheesy Cheesy

What rot.....the most selfish generation in the history of the country, racking up debt to be paid off by their children and grandchildren, who cant afford a house due to their wicked selfishness and cant get a good job due to them hogging all the BS jobs in the public service with defined benefits super and tenure.

I hope (and expect) the younger generation to turn on the boomers with a viciousness when they are old and frail and in nursing homes begging for their creature comforts and gold standard medical care.

Karma....the boomers have no one to blame but themselves.
Elder abuse will become more prevalent then domestic violence...that's a deserved consequence for this immoral wicked selfish cohort. Angry
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Reply #8 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 9:47am
 
And while the elderly are forced to keep working/looking for work, the youth unemployment rate skyrockets off the scale.

Sheer stupidity and bloody-minded ideology, nothing more.
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Reply #9 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 9:48am
 
aquascoot wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 9:32am:
Hard times loom for baby boomers   Cheesy Cheesy

What rot.....the most selfish generation in the history of the country, racking up debt to be paid off by their children and grandchildren, who cant afford a house due to their wicked selfishness and cant get a good job due to them hogging all the BS jobs in the public service with defined benefits super and tenure.

I hope (and expect) the younger generation to turn on the boomers with a viciousness when they are old and frail and in nursing homes begging for their creature comforts and gold standard medical care.

Karma....the boomers have no one to blame but themselves.
Elder abuse will become more prevalent then domestic violence...that's a deserved consequence
for this immoral wicked selfish cohort. Angry



That's just sick!
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Reply #10 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 9:56am
 
And Abbott removed the top up to the super of workers on the very lowest wages, halted the increase in amount of compulsory super and so is worsening the problem.

Meanwhile, the 10-20,000 richest Australians will get more from the public purse than all the pensioners in total receive, the Aged pension is available to asset millionaires and so on, all thanks to John Useless Howard. Meantime, Abbott is creating a recession will see even more Australians thrown out of work not paying into super schemes.

That the Boomers will cause a demographic overhang is not their fault but that of their parents. A real govt would be working to create more jobs, roll out FTTH to lift workplace productivity, encourage large scale telecommuting and boost eHealth and telehealth to allow Boomers to stay in their own home. The Abbott govt is trying to kill off FTTH for ever. Lips Sealed
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Reply #11 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 10:18am
 
Kat wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 9:48am:
aquascoot wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 9:32am:
Hard times loom for baby boomers   Cheesy Cheesy

What rot.....the most selfish generation in the history of the country, racking up debt to be paid off by their children and grandchildren, who cant afford a house due to their wicked selfishness and cant get a good job due to them hogging all the BS jobs in the public service with defined benefits super and tenure.

I hope (and expect) the younger generation to turn on the boomers with a viciousness when they are old and frail and in nursing homes begging for their creature comforts and gold standard medical care.

Karma....the boomers have no one to blame but themselves.
Elder abuse will become more prevalent then domestic violence...that's a deserved consequence
for this immoral wicked selfish cohort. Angry



That's just sick!



what is sick is a generation spending up on the credit card and then retiring and leaving it all to the next generation to pay off.

what is sick is a generation making ever conceivable tax concession for negative gearing and super accumulation available to themselves and then (you wait and see)  reversing these benefits when the next generation get into the wealth accumulation phase of their lives.

the boomers are indeed sick..their sickness is laziness, selfishness and using their weight of voting numbers to "rip off" the rest of society.
I have no time for these spoilt brats
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Reply #12 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 10:21am
 
Swagman wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 9:24am:
Yes the Boomers are retiring and leaving the workforce in increasing numbers.

The tax-payers that are left to pay for the extravagence of past generations....

1970s - 7 to 1

Today - 5 to 1 and nose diving

20 years - 2.7 to 1 if we are lucky

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/aaaa2e2b-0278-46c0-8f68-7d9feb37...

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/Austplus20yrs.jpg

Future tax-payers, the kids being born now and those just entering the work force will likely have to pay double the tax paid today to feed the retiring Boomers........ Cheesy

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Answer:-

CREATE MORE JOBS!

I would happily sit on my arse in a Medicare office or such and cop the nice salary in air conditioned comfort  etc until I was 72 or so....

Any offers?

Xmas Break for MC workers (all women BTW - a reserved occupation):-

Xmas Eve - day off

Xmas Day and Boxing Day

Fri and Sat off as normal

Monday Public Service Holiday

Lovely near week break when your average pensioner, such as myself, can't do an eye exam on Christmas Eve and get refund, since the works are closed down.

Far Ken lovely!
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Reply #13 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 7:44pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 30th, 2014 at 6:29am:
We could be creating a few generations of elderly Australians who have to go on unemployment benefits for a decade or so before getting a pension ?

Many are discarded by the employer in their 50's to save money on pay outs with long service etc and find themselves too old to find another job.

Which is why we need full employment and a jobs guarantee.
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Reply #14 - Dec 30th, 2014 at 8:36pm
 
Waiting Longer For The Aged Pension

And the Liberals defer the increase to mandatory superannuation.  Good move guys the one thing which would help in the future you go and postpone.

Maximising the number of people self sufficient in retirement is the best answer to the problem but too difficult for the Libs to get.
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