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stryder Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4545 Gender:	Re: Taliban claims victory in Afghan War Reply #60 - Dec 31^st, 2014 at 5:37pm Rocketanski wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 12:34pm: The do-gooders will be on here demanding we do something about the Taliban when they never got behind the Americans. The fact is rocketanski that the afghan people didnt wanna fight hard enough to keep the taliban away as well.
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Reply #61 - Dec 31^st, 2014 at 7:44pm

Rocketanski wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 12:34pm:

The do-gooders will be on here demanding we do something about the Taliban when they never got behind the Americans.

Why would you expect people to get behind a plan that could not win. Many people died in this conflict and it was never going to solve any problem about the Taliban.

The US and Australia went into Afghanistan with basically the same plan that failed for the Russians. The tactics in place were always going to result in us just giving up and going away in the end.

This isn't in support of the Taliban or anti American - it is just the truth.

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Reply #62 - Dec 31^st, 2014 at 9:14pm

freediver wrote on Dec 30^th, 2014 at 10:02am:

How much do the Taliban control?

Primarily the Pushtan speaking areas of Afghanistan, FD. Outside of the provinces where those tribes predominate their sway is a lot weaker.

Much will now depend on how much the West is prepared to support the central government in Kabul. As long as Western support and aid is maintained, the Kabul government will be able to pay to keep the warlords which presently support it, on side. As the Najibulla government showed, it is possible for an installed government to exist in Afghanistan - as long as the support continues. Once it is withdrawn, down will come the central government.

It also depends on how much the weak alliance that is "the Taliban" can stay together. If the Kabuli government is smart, it will go back to how the old rulers of Afghanistan controlled the country - divide and rule. Play the various internal factions off against each other.

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Re: Taliban claims victory in Afghan War
Reply #63 - Jan 1^st, 2015 at 7:00am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 9:13am:

stryder wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 9:05am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 8:58am:

stryder wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 8:40am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 8:34am:

stryder wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 8:15am:

freediver wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 8:09am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 31^st, 2014 at 5:31am:

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Taliban claims victory in Afghan War

As predicted by almost everyone from day 1.

To them it was always going to be a war of attrition played out on their terms and in the end we were always going to leave and they were still going to be there.

So why did they bother taking us on at all?

Maybe Dnaever didnt want the western world to respond after what happened on 9/11 or attempt to change the situation in afghanistan that led to the rise of Al Qaeda.

The response achieved what exactly? More blood shed. The rise of ISIS.

You expect the western nation to sit on there hands when we have radical muslims running around the world, who wanna go forward and attack us when ever possible ???

I'm wondering if our 'War on Terror' made terrorism stronger, they seem to be growing. We don't seem to be killing many of them, only innocent civilians and our own soldiers.....oh! they pop off a few of their own from time to time, as we do, accidentally of course.

Once again, what has our response achieved?....apart from keeping the industrial war machine well oiled.

It was when the socialistic Barrack Obama as US president came into the scene and that was when the terrorists and the tryrannical despots that you secretly admire BECOME EMBOLDENED.

I don't admire terrorists and did you miss the question about what was accomplished by going to war
?

Just this and left widows without husbands and children without fathers.

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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: Taliban claims victory in Afghan War Reply #64 - Jan 1^st, 2015 at 7:23am Just this and left widows without husbands and children without fathers. In twenty years time the children will ask what the hell was their fathers thinking to get themselves in that situation.
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Reply #65 - Jan 1^st, 2015 at 9:42am

Afghanistan was a failed state. No-one was actually in control. There was no-one to negotiate with. There were hundreds of warlords in various alliances involved in a protracted civil war. At best, they would have ignored the US, though most would have sought a bit of fame by sticking it to the Americans.

Map of the situation in Afghanistan in late 1996, showing Massoud (red), Dostum (green), and Taliban (yellow) territories.

It has nothing at all to do with ISIS.

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Re: Taliban claims victory in Afghan War
Reply #66 - Jan 1^st, 2015 at 10:04am

freediver wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 9:42am:

Afghanistan was a failed state. No-one was actually in control. There was no-one to negotiate with. There were hundreds of warlords in various alliances involved in a protracted civil war. At best, they would have ignored the US, though most would have sought a bit of fame by sticking it to the Americans.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/1996afghan_%281%29.png/...

Map of the situation in Afghanistan in late 1996, showing Massoud (red), Dostum (green), and Taliban (yellow) territories.

It has nothing at all to do with ISIS.

What kind of negotiations do you mean?

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Reply #67 - Jan 1^st, 2015 at 10:24am

At the moment the president of Afghanistan is the democratically elected Ashraf Ghani, and before him Hamid Karzai. That is hardly a victory for the Taliban.

More than 5000 schools have been built, with more than 7 million students, over 35% of whom are female. There is an American university in Kabul and many Lincoln learning centers. Compared to what happened after the soviet withdrawal, this bodes well for the future of the country.

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What kind of negotiations do you mean?

I was referring to discussions earlier in the thread that we should have negotiated with them after 9/11 rather than invading.

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I'm wondering if our 'War on Terror' made terrorism stronger, they seem to be growing. We don't seem to be killing many of them, only innocent civilians and our own soldiers.....oh! they pop off a few of their own from time to time, as we do, accidentally of course.

We have slaughtered them in huge numbers. Instead of sophisticated attacks on western nations with mass casualties, they are scrambling to put together improvised roadside bombs to take out their own democratically elected leaders and institutions. Had we done nothing, attacks on western nations would have grown worse than 9/11.

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The US and Australia went into Afghanistan with basically the same plan that failed for the Russians.

Crap. The two could not be more different, and you have to be pretty desperate to find fault to try to equate them.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96483	Re: Taliban claims victory in Afghan War Reply #68 - Jan 1^st, 2015 at 12:03pm Thank Allah the grown-ups are back in charge.
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