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Reply #60 - Jan 4^th, 2015 at 1:59pm

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My what? Moses, you really are letting your Islamophobia carry you away. I have no "masters", I am not a slave. Nor am I beholden to any of the Islamic faith.

Is a personal attack the best you can do, really? I am so disappointed, Moses. Your own bigotry appears to have made you believe anybody who disagrees with you must automatically be a member of the Islamic faith. I am unsure why.

Walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it's a duck.

Same with a subservient lackey, who grovels in abject submission.

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That may be so, however, and thankfully, the Australian Government(s) are bound by the legal requirement to fulfil their obligation under our Constitution and therefore are not allowed to pass any laws which regulate the observance of religion, Moses.

So, all your and the other Islamophobes' railing against your fellow Australians and demands that you should be allowed to deport all Muslims or conduct pogroms against them to either terrorise them or force them to emigrate will thankfully come to nought

Running scared of the fact that the ordinary man who wields the pen truthfully, plus the actions of the muslims themselves, will destroy islam?

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Reply #62 - Jan 4^th, 2015 at 2:52pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:40am:

Soren wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 12:25am:

Australia doesn't have a dress code.

Muslims have a dress code.

It is a dress code that marks them out as aliens. They know it and they do it anyway. Rather, they do it because they know it marks them apart. It is important to THEM to be, to feel, to be seen as being apart. That is the only purpose of their dress code.

Fascinating logic - really fascinating.

People from all walks of life make dress a statement of their identity. Yes, absolutely they want to "mark themselves" - as a proud member of group x - whether its a religious group, member of the gay community, a supporter of a particular sporting team, etc etc. This is one of the most natural and common things about our culture, no one bats an eyelid. Yet when muslims do it, you somehow make the leap that its a deliberate act of belligerence - some sort of act of war against society. I literally cannot fathom the mindset that leads to this logic - other than the usual prejudice that muslims are guilty by default, and that their every move is automatically judged to be sinister and belligerent.

Soren at least think about this: do you accept that people have a right to adopt a particular belief system? I assume you do - surely you do. If so, then does it not logically follow that you would also accept that these people have a right to proudly outwardly identify with such a belief system? And if so, why wouldn't you accept that adopting attire that represents said belief system is a mere expression of this pride - and that there is no reason to assume that this act must necessarily be a declaration of war against the host culture?

People also have the right to criticise and oppose any belief system, including Islam.

Islam is openly, and by definition, hostile to Western liberal democracy. The sharia-compliant dress is a constant outward signal and reminder of this. It has no other meaning in the West - it is not practical, it is not preferable on any grounds except ideology, it is not about blending in (as it is in Yemen and other sharia-compliant societies). Here is is nothing but a demontration of "I stand with Islam - and not with you infidel lot".

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Re: Broken Hill, New Year's Day, 1915
Reply #63 - Jan 4^th, 2015 at 4:12pm

Soren wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:29am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 9:00pm:

Conducting pogroms against all Muslims, razing Mosques, nuking all Muslims a bit more than a "tad", in the extreme department?

The thing is, there has never been a pogrom against Muslims, there has been no genocide against Muslims in the West. But Muslims have been committing genocide for a long time, the latest is by ISIL which very closely resembles the Ottoman Muslim genocide of Armenian Christians 100 years ago. If Muslims are victims it's only ever of other Muslims.
The common thread linking the Ottomans and ISIL is Islam:

At the time there were 15 million Turkish Muslims and about two million Christian Armenians in Turkey (or Anatolia as it was then). The Armenians were better educated and wealthier than most Turks and because of that were envied and hated, so much so that the government instituted a program of ethnic cleansing. The Turks had had practice runs before. Between 1894 and 1896, 200,000 Armenians were massacred by soldiers and armed mobs.

From May to September 1915, up to two million Armenians were killed or expelled from the Ottoman Empire. The adult men were massacred or sent to death camps, while their families were sent on death marches through the desert. They were murdered, raped, drowned, burned alive and left to die of hunger and thirst. Churches, monasteries and schools were destroyed. All material goods were confiscated. Girls were made sex slaves and forced to convert. Up to 1.5 million died.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arts/review/geoffrey-robertson-puts-the-case-aga...

Soren - you have a good habit of making the same point repeatedly.

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Reply #64 - Jan 4^th, 2015 at 4:35pm

moses wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 1:59pm:

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My what? Moses, you really are letting your Islamophobia carry you away. I have no "masters", I am not a slave. Nor am I beholden to any of the Islamic faith.

Is a personal attack the best you can do, really? I am so disappointed, Moses. Your own bigotry appears to have made you believe anybody who disagrees with you must automatically be a member of the Islamic faith. I am unsure why.

Walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it's a duck.

So, that fact you walk like a bigot, talk like a bigot, makes you what, Moses? Roll Eyes

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Same with a subservient lackey, who grovels in abject submission.

I am not subservient, nor a lackey and I don't grovel. I do however stand up against your continued and bigoted persecution of Muslims. That annoys you, doesn't it? You'd prefer that we all just fell into step with you and your views and helped you march the Muslims off to the ovens, right? Roll Eyes

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That may be so, however, and thankfully, the Australian Government(s) are bound by the legal requirement to fulfil their obligation under our Constitution and therefore are not allowed to pass any laws which regulate the observance of religion, Moses.

So, all your and the other Islamophobes' railing against your fellow Australians and demands that you should be allowed to deport all Muslims or conduct pogroms against them to either terrorise them or force them to emigrate will thankfully come to nought

Running scared of the fact that the ordinary man who wields the pen truthfully, plus the actions of the muslims themselves, will destroy islam?

Nope, not in the slightest. I know 'cause I know the majority of Australians don't agree with you, Moses. You are in that sad, tiny, minority of bigots and Islamophobes who disrupt our daily lives in Australia with your ranting and raging against your fellow Australians. Roll Eyes

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Reply #65 - Jan 4^th, 2015 at 5:00pm

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So, that fact you walk like a bigot, talk like a bigot, makes you what, Moses?

If decrying islam as the source of depravity, terrorism, mass murder, beheading etc. is bigotry, then I'm in boots and all.

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I am not subservient, nor a lackey and I don't grovel. I do however stand up against your continued and bigoted persecution of Muslims. That annoys you, doesn't it? You'd prefer that we all just fell into step with you and your views and helped you march the Muslims off to the ovens, right?

If continually excusing and apologising for the terrorism, mass murder, beheading, depravity etc., is groveling subservient submissive bootlicking, then you're in boots and all.

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Nope, not in the slightest. I know 'cause I know the majority of Australians don't agree with you, Moses. You are in that sad, tiny, minority of bigots and Islamophobes who disrupt our daily lives in Australia with your ranting and raging against your fellow Australians.

Truth and time will destroy islam, keep defending it.

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Re: Broken Hill, New Year's Day, 1915
Reply #66 - Jan 4^th, 2015 at 6:46pm

moses wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 5:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote Quote:

So, that fact you walk like a bigot, talk like a bigot, makes you what, Moses?

If decrying islam as the source of depravity, terrorism, mass murder, beheading etc. is bigotry, then I'm in boots and all.

Of course you are. Since when has a bigot ever recognised that they are a bigot?

I don't doubt that you'd have, in bygone eras been just as bigoted, Moses. Your target(s) might have been different but you'd still have been happy persecuting them. Your sort of mindset never changes.

Do you believe, being bigoted is virtuous? Forgotten Mark 9:38-40 or Luke 9:49-50 or Luke 9:52-56 or even John 4:7-27 ? Roll Eyes

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I am not subservient, nor a lackey and I don't grovel. I do however stand up against your continued and bigoted persecution of Muslims. That annoys you, doesn't it? You'd prefer that we all just fell into step with you and your views and helped you march the Muslims off to the ovens, right?

If continually excusing and apologising for the terrorism, mass murder, beheading, depravity etc., is groveling subservient submissive bootlicking, then you're in boots and all.

Care to provide a quote where I have excused or "apologised" for any acts of "terrorism, mass murder, beheading, depravity etc", Moses?

In reality, I condemn. I just don't blame every Muslim for them. Just as I don't believe every Christian should be blamed for any atrocities committed by Christians, Moses.

Your continued attempts at persecution of all Muslims are disgusting.

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Nope, not in the slightest. I know 'cause I know the majority of Australians don't agree with you, Moses. You are in that sad, tiny, minority of bigots and Islamophobes who disrupt our daily lives in Australia with your ranting and raging against your fellow Australians.

Truth and time will destroy islam, keep defending it.

I do not defend it. I defend Muslims, Moses. You appear unable to differentiate between the two for some reason. Roll Eyes

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Re: Broken Hill, New Year's Day, 1915
Reply #67 - Jan 4^th, 2015 at 6:53pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 4:12pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:29am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 9:00pm:

Conducting pogroms against all Muslims, razing Mosques, nuking all Muslims a bit more than a "tad", in the extreme department?

The thing is, there has never been a pogrom against Muslims, there has been no genocide against Muslims in the West. But Muslims have been committing genocide for a long time, the latest is by ISIL which very closely resembles the Ottoman Muslim genocide of Armenian Christians 100 years ago. If Muslims are victims it's only ever of other Muslims.
The common thread linking the Ottomans and ISIL is Islam:

At the time there were 15 million Turkish Muslims and about two million Christian Armenians in Turkey (or Anatolia as it was then). The Armenians were better educated and wealthier than most Turks and because of that were envied and hated, so much so that the government instituted a program of ethnic cleansing. The Turks had had practice runs before. Between 1894 and 1896, 200,000 Armenians were massacred by soldiers and armed mobs.

From May to September 1915, up to two million Armenians were killed or expelled from the Ottoman Empire. The adult men were massacred or sent to death camps, while their families were sent on death marches through the desert. They were murdered, raped, drowned, burned alive and left to die of hunger and thirst. Churches, monasteries and schools were destroyed. All material goods were confiscated. Girls were made sex slaves and forced to convert. Up to 1.5 million died.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arts/review/geoffrey-robertson-puts-the-case-aga...

Soren - you have a good habit of making the same point repeatedly.

no different than saying God has a son or Jesus is three people in one.After time you get brainwashed by it.

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Reply #69 - Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:47pm

Soren wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 2:52pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:40am:

Soren wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 12:25am:

Australia doesn't have a dress code.

Muslims have a dress code.

It is a dress code that marks them out as aliens. They know it and they do it anyway. Rather, they do it because they know it marks them apart. It is important to THEM to be, to feel, to be seen as being apart. That is the only purpose of their dress code.

Fascinating logic - really fascinating.

People from all walks of life make dress a statement of their identity. Yes, absolutely they want to "mark themselves" - as a proud member of group x - whether its a religious group, member of the gay community, a supporter of a particular sporting team, etc etc. This is one of the most natural and common things about our culture, no one bats an eyelid. Yet when muslims do it, you somehow make the leap that its a deliberate act of belligerence - some sort of act of war against society. I literally cannot fathom the mindset that leads to this logic - other than the usual prejudice that muslims are guilty by default, and that their every move is automatically judged to be sinister and belligerent.

Soren at least think about this: do you accept that people have a right to adopt a particular belief system? I assume you do - surely you do. If so, then does it not logically follow that you would also accept that these people have a right to proudly outwardly identify with such a belief system? And if so, why wouldn't you accept that adopting attire that represents said belief system is a mere expression of this pride - and that there is no reason to assume that this act must necessarily be a declaration of war against the host culture?

People also have the right to criticise and oppose any belief system, including Islam.

Islam is openly, and by definition, hostile to Western liberal democracy. The sharia-compliant dress is a constant outward signal and reminder of this. It has no other meaning in the West - it is not practical, it is not preferable on any grounds except ideology, it is not about blending in (as it is in Yemen and other sharia-compliant societies). Here is is nothing but a demontration of "I stand with Islam - and not with you infidel lot".

You haven't addressed any of my points S. Your argument is nothing but circular logic: it is so because I say its so

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #70 - Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:57pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 2:42pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 8:47am:

Sprint still hasn't answered my question re the difference between a cult and religion - and what makes islam a cult.

muslims actions.

I'm interested in what you understand by the term "cult" sprint - and in particular, why it is your word of choice for expressing what is clearly a vitriolic sentiment towards a particular belief system. Why not just a "religion that you hate very much"?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #71 - Jan 5^th, 2015 at 7:35am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:47pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 2:52pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:40am:

Soren wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 12:25am:

Australia doesn't have a dress code.

Muslims have a dress code.

It is a dress code that marks them out as aliens. They know it and they do it anyway. Rather, they do it because they know it marks them apart. It is important to THEM to be, to feel, to be seen as being apart. That is the only purpose of their dress code.

Fascinating logic - really fascinating.

People from all walks of life make dress a statement of their identity. Yes, absolutely they want to "mark themselves" - as a proud member of group x - whether its a religious group, member of the gay community, a supporter of a particular sporting team, etc etc. This is one of the most natural and common things about our culture, no one bats an eyelid. Yet when muslims do it, you somehow make the leap that its a deliberate act of belligerence - some sort of act of war against society. I literally cannot fathom the mindset that leads to this logic - other than the usual prejudice that muslims are guilty by default, and that their every move is automatically judged to be sinister and belligerent.

Soren at least think about this: do you accept that people have a right to adopt a particular belief system? I assume you do - surely you do. If so, then does it not logically follow that you would also accept that these people have a right to proudly outwardly identify with such a belief system? And if so, why wouldn't you accept that adopting attire that represents said belief system is a mere expression of this pride - and that there is no reason to assume that this act must necessarily be a declaration of war against the host culture?

People also have the right to criticise and oppose any belief system, including Islam.

Islam is openly, and by definition, hostile to Western liberal democracy. The sharia-compliant dress is a constant outward signal and reminder of this. It has no other meaning in the West - it is not practical, it is not preferable on any grounds except ideology, it is not about blending in (as it is in Yemen and other sharia-compliant societies). Here is is nothing but a demontration of "I stand with Islam - and not with you infidel lot".

You haven't addressed any of my points S. Your argument is nothing but circular logic: it is so because I say its so

It’s always absolutely never-ever. It’s the old boy stock standard.

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Reply #72 - Jan 5^th, 2015 at 7:36am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:47pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 2:52pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:40am:

Soren wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 12:25am:

Australia doesn't have a dress code.

Muslims have a dress code.

It is a dress code that marks them out as aliens. They know it and they do it anyway. Rather, they do it because they know it marks them apart. It is important to THEM to be, to feel, to be seen as being apart. That is the only purpose of their dress code.

Fascinating logic - really fascinating.

People from all walks of life make dress a statement of their identity. Yes, absolutely they want to "mark themselves" - as a proud member of group x - whether its a religious group, member of the gay community, a supporter of a particular sporting team, etc etc. This is one of the most natural and common things about our culture, no one bats an eyelid. Yet when muslims do it, you somehow make the leap that its a deliberate act of belligerence - some sort of act of war against society. I literally cannot fathom the mindset that leads to this logic - other than the usual prejudice that muslims are guilty by default, and that their every move is automatically judged to be sinister and belligerent.

Soren at least think about this: do you accept that people have a right to adopt a particular belief system? I assume you do - surely you do. If so, then does it not logically follow that you would also accept that these people have a right to proudly outwardly identify with such a belief system? And if so, why wouldn't you accept that adopting attire that represents said belief system is a mere expression of this pride - and that there is no reason to assume that this act must necessarily be a declaration of war against the host culture?

People also have the right to criticise and oppose any belief system, including Islam.

Islam is openly, and by definition, hostile to Western liberal democracy. The sharia-compliant dress is a constant outward signal and reminder of this. It has no other meaning in the West - it is not practical, it is not preferable on any grounds except ideology, it is not about blending in (as it is in Yemen and other sharia-compliant societies). Here is is nothing but a demontration of "I stand with Islam - and not with you infidel lot".

You haven't addressed any of my points S. Your argument is nothing but circular logic: it is so because I say its so

It’s always absolutely never-ever. It’s the old boy stock standard.

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Reply #73 - Jan 6^th, 2015 at 2:08pm

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Of course you are. Since when has a bigot ever recognised that they are a bigot?

I don't doubt that you'd have, in bygone eras been just as bigoted, Moses. Your target(s) might have been different but you'd still have been happy persecuting them. Your sort of mindset never changes.

Do you believe, being bigoted is virtuous? Forgotten Mark 9:38-40 or Luke 9:49-50 or Luke 9:52-56 or even John 4:7-27 ?

I reiterate: If decrying islam as the source of depravity, terrorism, mass murder, beheading etc. is bigotry, then I'm in boots and all.

I stand by my condemnation of islam and the human rights atrocities it spawns, one hundred percent.

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Care to provide a quote where I have excused or "apologised" for any acts of "terrorism, mass murder, beheading, depravity etc", Moses?

In reality, I condemn. I just don't blame every Muslim for them. Just as I don't believe every Christian should be blamed for any atrocities committed by Christians, Moses.

Your continued attempts at persecution of all Muslims are disgusting.

Says the sanctimonious self righteous hypocrite, who continually stoops to lies in order to excuse / apologize for islam (and the atrocities it engenders), as being equivalent to other beliefs.

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I do not defend it. I defend Muslims, Moses. You appear unable to differentiate between the two for some reason.

Why do you respond dishonestly to posts which attack islam and it's related inhumanities, if your not defending it?

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Reply #74 - Jan 6^th, 2015 at 2:40pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:57pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 2:42pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 8:47am:

Sprint still hasn't answered my question re the difference between a cult and religion - and what makes islam a cult.

muslims actions.

I'm interested in what you understand by the term "cult" sprint - and in particular, why it is your word of choice for expressing what is clearly a vitriolic sentiment towards a particular belief system. Why not just a "religion that you hate very much"?

because islam is not a religion, it is a cult

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