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Re: How does Islam improve the world?
Reply #105 - Jan 5^th, 2015 at 8:25pm

Well FD, if we are talking about wanting pretty girls being allowed to freely get around in short skirts in Kabul, then the Soviet backed communist regime was quite ideal - they were socially progressive, secular and anti-islamist. Not so good for democracy, of course, but then again the bearded nutjobs that the US chose as their instrument to overthrow the communists didn't exactly have freedom and democracy in mind either.

On balance though, if its a choice between the communists and the bearded nutjobs that the US supported, the communists win on the overall freedom and progressiveness scale - hands down. You see, while you may rail against the evils of communism, the reality was that girls were getting around in short skirts and freely fraternising with non-relative maies - not to mention getting educated and having careers. When the US-funded bearded nutjobs took over, those pretty girls started to get raped, shot and generally terrorised off the streets. And to keep law and order, the warlords were firing artillery rounds into unarmed civilians and running over people with tanks.

Which do you think was better FD?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #106 - Jan 5^th, 2015 at 10:00pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 5^th, 2015 at 8:25pm:

Well FD, if we are talking about wanting pretty girls being allowed to freely get around in short skirts in Kabul, then the Soviet backed communist regime was quite ideal - they were socially progressive, secular and anti-islamist. Not so good for democracy, of course, but then again the bearded nutjobs that the US chose as their instrument to overthrow the communists didn't exactly have freedom and democracy in mind either.

On balance though, if its a choice between the communists and the bearded nutjobs that the US supported, the communists win on the overall freedom and progressiveness scale - hands down. You see, while you may rail against the evils of communism, the reality was that girls were getting around in short skirts and freely fraternising with non-relative maies - not to mention getting educated and having careers. When the US-funded bearded nutjobs took over, those pretty girls started to get raped, shot and generally terrorised off the streets. And to keep law and order, the warlords were firing artillery rounds into unarmed civilians and running over people with tanks.

Which do you think was better FD?

The ladies were getting around in Kabul showing not only hair but legs in the 1960's

The Soviet influence didn't start till around 1978, the Afghan women didn't need communism to show some leg they were doing it before the commies arrived.

The Soviets started to withdraw around 1989 and when the USSR collapsed around 1991 all support for Afghanistan was withdrawn

It was the early 1990's when Afghanistan became an Islamic republic by mid 90's the Taliban was ruling,mini skirts were out Burqas were in.

Saudi Arabia and Iran supported militias in Afghanistan during their civil war,much like they do in Iraq and Syria today with more war between rival sects of Islam.
Afghanistan and Iran show how quickly a country can be taken over and have Islamic rule imposed on the people.

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Reply #107 - Jan 5^th, 2015 at 10:20pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 5^th, 2015 at 10:00pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 5^th, 2015 at 8:25pm:

Well FD, if we are talking about wanting pretty girls being allowed to freely get around in short skirts in Kabul, then the Soviet backed communist regime was quite ideal - they were socially progressive, secular and anti-islamist. Not so good for democracy, of course, but then again the bearded nutjobs that the US chose as their instrument to overthrow the communists didn't exactly have freedom and democracy in mind either.

On balance though, if its a choice between the communists and the bearded nutjobs that the US supported, the communists win on the overall freedom and progressiveness scale - hands down. You see, while you may rail against the evils of communism, the reality was that girls were getting around in short skirts and freely fraternising with non-relative maies - not to mention getting educated and having careers. When the US-funded bearded nutjobs took over, those pretty girls started to get raped, shot and generally terrorised off the streets. And to keep law and order, the warlords were firing artillery rounds into unarmed civilians and running over people with tanks.

Which do you think was better FD?

The ladies were getting around in Kabul showing not only hair but legs in the 1960's

The Soviet influence didn't start till around 1978, the Afghan women didn't need communism to show some leg they were doing it before the commies arrived.

The Soviets started to withdraw around 1989 and when the USSR collapsed around 1991 all support for Afghanistan was withdrawn

It was the early 1990's when Afghanistan became an Islamic republic by mid 90's the Taliban was ruling,mini skirts were out Burqas were in.

Saudi Arabia and Iran supported militias in Afghanistan during their civil war,much like they do in Iraq and Syria today with more war between rival sects of Islam.
Afghanistan and Iran show how quickly a country can be taken over and have Islamic rule imposed on the people.

Gandalf knows that all perfectly well. Still, it was worth a try, no, Gandy?

Google: selective ignorance.

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Reply #108 - Jan 5^th, 2015 at 10:23pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 5^th, 2015 at 1:32pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 5^th, 2015 at 12:28pm:

It was a mistake for the Americans to oppose the commies in Afghanistan, the Russians would have dragged the remaining bearded nutjobs out of the stone age.

And instead the Americans - in conjunction with their allies in Pakistan - enabled the bearded nutjobs to overrun Kabul - the very place where those pretty girls in your video were getting around in short skirts and sitting next to men on public transport.

I'm really not sure what point you are making Baron.

Tell me B - how far do you think the bearded nutjobs - who originated from Pakistan-run training camps would have got without the financial and military backing of the US?

The Saudis and Iran played a role in this as well, the withdrawal of financial aid from the Soviets was also a contributing factor in fundamental islam taking over.

The Saudis were making a financial contribution to this mess, with or without US aid it would still have been a mess.
The Iranians helped Shiite militias like they do in Iraq and Syria today.

As we saw with Pakistan they gave Osama a nice place to stay which was well clear of the USA bombs then got butthurt when the USA killed him.

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Reply #109 - Jan 6^th, 2015 at 7:45am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 5^th, 2015 at 8:25pm:

Well FD, if we are talking about wanting pretty girls being allowed to freely get around in short skirts in Kabul, then the Soviet backed communist regime was quite ideal - they were socially progressive, secular and anti-islamist. Not so good for democracy, of course, but then again the bearded nutjobs that the US chose as their instrument to overthrow the communists didn't exactly have freedom and democracy in mind either.

On balance though, if its a choice between the communists and the bearded nutjobs that the US supported, the communists win on the overall freedom and progressiveness scale - hands down. You see, while you may rail against the evils of communism, the reality was that girls were getting around in short skirts and freely fraternising with non-relative maies - not to mention getting educated and having careers. When the US-funded bearded nutjobs took over, those pretty girls started to get raped, shot and generally terrorised off the streets. And to keep law and order, the warlords were firing artillery rounds into unarmed civilians and running over people with tanks.

Which do you think was better FD?

From what I understand, the Soviets were doing their fair share of raping and pillaging. The Taliban, or whoever they were at the time, were the only ones willing to do the heavy lifting. I think the US did the right thing there. I doubt the situation would have been any better had the Soviets been allowed to win. Hindsight is all well and good, but it doesn't tell you anything about the alternative you promote.

I think the US should have gotten more involved, doing some of the things they are doing now. Their mistake was not going in, but pulling out and leaving a vacuum.

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: How does Islam improve the world? Reply #110 - Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:19am How does any religion improve the world? Like all opiates they keep the believers happy and blissfully unaware of reality. Islam is no different.
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Reply #111 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 5:19pm

|dev|null wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:19am:

How does any religion improve the world? Like all opiates they keep the believers happy and blissfully unaware of reality. Islam is no different. Grin

Christianity has made a HUGE difference over the last 2000 years.

The ideas of love your fellow human being, think of others before you think of yourself, be kind as a matter of policy, do not lose hope, be assured that you are as worthy as anyone else, recognise idiots like you for the idiots they are, etc, etc - these are ideas that were brought into the world by Judaism and especially Christianity ( a kind of Judaism).

They were not part of the Roman ethos, nor of the Persian, African, Chinese or any other.

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Reply #112 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 5:30pm

Soren wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 5:19pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:19am:

How does any religion improve the world? Like all opiates they keep the believers happy and blissfully unaware of reality. Islam is no different. Grin

Christianity has made a HUGE difference over the last 2000 years.

The ideas of love your fellow human being, think of others before you think of yourself, be kind as a matter of policy, do not lose hope, be assured that you are as worthy as anyone else, recognise idiots like you for the idiots they are, etc, etc - these are ideas that were brought into the world by Judaism and especially Christianity ( a kind of Judaism).

Don’t forget the freedom to hate Islam, old boy.

Not to mention bearded numpties, spineless appeasers, the yellow hoards, the tinted races, and every other race, creed and culture not compatible with the old boy.

Christianity has made a huge difference - particularly on the old boy. Love for your fellow human being, think of others before yourself, abhor, despise, dislike, be repulsed - all good values, no?

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Reply #113 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 5:41pm

Soren wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 5:19pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:19am:

How does any religion improve the world? Like all opiates they keep the believers happy and blissfully unaware of reality. Islam is no different. Grin

Christianity has made a HUGE difference over the last 2000 years.

Yes, it has oppressed people and lied to them, promising them that if they accept their oppression they will be rewarded after they have died. It's called the Christian Work Ethic. I prefer the Marxist Work Ethic. Work hard, receive your rewards now as a share of your labours!

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The ideas of love your fellow human being, think of others before you think of yourself, be kind as a matter of policy, do not lose hope, be assured that you are as worthy as anyone else, recognise idiots like you for the idiots they are, etc, etc - these are ideas that were brought into the world by Judaism and especially Christianity ( a kind of Judaism).

Unless you're a Native American or a Black African. Then you'll end up enslaved, starved, beaten, tortured and worked to death.

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They were not part of the Roman ethos, nor of the Persian, African, Chinese or any other.

I don't see any practicable difference. Grin

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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
Freediver, 2007.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96347	Re: How does Islam improve the world? Reply #114 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 5:51pm Oh, and Marxists. The old boy hates them. Christianity has made a HUGE difference on the old boy.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: How does Islam improve the world? Reply #116 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 6:13pm \|dev\|null wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 5:41pm: I prefer the Marxist Work Ethic. Hilarious!!! Thank you, git, you have made my day.
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Reply #117 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 6:16pm

|dev|null wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 5:41pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 5:19pm:

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The ideas of love your fellow human being, think of others before you think of yourself, be kind as a matter of policy, do not lose hope, be assured that you are as worthy as anyone else, recognise idiots like you for the idiots they are, etc, etc - these are ideas that were brought into the world by Judaism and especially Christianity ( a kind of Judaism).

Unless you're a Native American or a Black African. Then you'll end up enslaved, starved, beaten, tortured and worked to death.

They were killing and maiming each other constantly at a far greater rate BEFORE they were shown the light. Tribal warfare was all.

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Reply #118 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 6:38pm

Soren wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 5:41pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 5:19pm:

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The ideas of love your fellow human being, think of others before you think of yourself, be kind as a matter of policy, do not lose hope, be assured that you are as worthy as anyone else, recognise idiots like you for the idiots they are, etc, etc - these are ideas that were brought into the world by Judaism and especially Christianity ( a kind of Judaism).

Unless you're a Native American or a Black African. Then you'll end up enslaved, starved, beaten, tortured and worked to death.

They were killing and maiming each other constantly at a far greater rate BEFORE they were shown the light. Tribal warfare was all.

Still are, old boy. They’re tinted. You can’t fix them, it’s genetic.

Correlation not causation, remember.

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