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Re: How does Islam improve the world?
Reply #30 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 4:25pm

freediver wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 9:40am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 9:07am:

freediver wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 7:29am:

Gandalf we can, and should, discuss whether an ideology is a force for good

Yes we should - but ideologies are not religions. Debating the value of ideologies that are based on rational and tangible concepts and principles, is worthwhile. Debating the value of religions that are based on not much more than blind faith is an exercise in futility. At the very best you will be engaging in nothing more than a circular argument.

I disagree, for several reasons. There are a lot of political and military aspects to Islam, and also apparently economic aspects. Furthermore, even the less 'rational' aspects have a strong influence on society. Christianity's emphasis on forgiveness and turning the other cheek, despite being superficially irrational, is a strong force for good, IMO, and is far more tangible than the usual 'be good' type platitudes.

Political islam, or "islamism" is an ideology that is only loosely based on the religion of islam. And yes, that should be critiqued and debated like any other political philosophy or ideology.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106318 Melbourne Gender:	Re: How does Islam improve the world? Reply #31 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 4:35pm Dear Gandalf, it's clear that Islam is not improving the world. It has been hijacked by religious fanatics to cause great evil.
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Rocketanski Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1335 Gender:	Re: How does Islam improve the world? Reply #32 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 4:37pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 4:35pm: Dear Gandalf, it's clear that Islam is not improving the world. It has been hijacked by religious fanatics to cause great evil. I'm with you bobby. It sure doesn't look like it. Muslims are supplying allah with loads of fresh souls if that could be seen as a positive.
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Reply #33 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 4:39pm

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 4:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 4:35pm:

Dear Gandalf,
it's clear that Islam is not improving the world.

It has been hijacked by religious fanatics to cause great evil.

I'm with you bobby. It sure doesn't look like it. Muslims are supplying allah with loads of fresh souls if that could be seen as a positive.

Yes - this latest crop wants to kill you if
you don't believe in their sky fairy.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106318 Melbourne Gender:	Re: How does Islam improve the world? Reply #34 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 4:41pm It's as bad as the virgin Mary:
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Re: How does Islam improve the world?
Reply #35 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 4:41pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 4:39pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 4:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 4:35pm:

Dear Gandalf,
it's clear that Islam is not improving the world.

It has been hijacked by religious fanatics to cause great evil.

I'm with you bobby. It sure doesn't look like it. Muslims are supplying allah with loads of fresh souls if that could be seen as a positive.

Yes - this latest crop wants to kill you if
you don't believe in their sky fairy.

Their sky peddo.

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Re: How does Islam improve the world?
Reply #36 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 4:44pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 4:35pm:

Dear Gandalf,
it's clear that Islam is not improving the world.

It has been hijacked by religious fanatics to cause great evil.

I'm sure Soren was sweating on someone bringing up the Islamic Golden Age and all the scientific discoveries that happened under islam - to which he would pounce with the usual "it happened despite islam, not because of it" - and that the only scholars were jewish and christian etc etc.

Naturally, he would never tolerate the same logic being used to explain the current crop of "islamic" terrorists though.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #37 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 4:47pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 4:44pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 4:35pm:

Dear Gandalf,
it's clear that Islam is not improving the world.

It has been hijacked by religious fanatics to cause great evil.

I'm sure Soren was sweating on someone bringing up the Islamic Golden Age and all the scientific discoveries that happened under islam - to which he would pounce with the usual "it happened despite islam, not because of it" - and that the only scholars were jewish and christian etc etc.

Naturally, he would never tolerate the same logic being used to explain the current crop of "islamic" terrorists though.

The Muslims were ahead of the rest of the world at one stage &
then they went down hill.

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Re: How does Islam improve the world?
Reply #38 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 4:49pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 11:11pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 10:07pm:

Tell us how Islam makes the world better in our time.

It is an article of faith amongst muslims that islam will be a force for good to be sure, but that is not the discussion to be had - and only the extremists on either sides would even attempt it.

All you are doing is creating a strawman.

All you should be concerned about is the issue of people's right to freely adhere to and practice a belief system without fear of discrimination or persecution. Most people will rigorously stand up for this right - despite not sharing in the beliefs they are defending - indeed not even caring what these beliefs and practices are (as long as they don't impinge on other people's rights, of course). And yet here you are seemingly conflating the two - as if your acceptance of a person's right to a belief is somehow contingent upon that belief being plausible (to you).

Why is this not practiced in muslim dominated countries Gandalf. Pakistan for instance?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: How does Islam improve the world? Reply #39 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 5:00pm Good question A - and if you're expecting me to defend those countries and those abhorrent policies, then I'm afraid your in for a disappointment.
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Reply #41 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 5:53pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 5:00pm:

Good question A - and if you're expecting me to defend those countries and those abhorrent policies, then I'm afraid your in for a disappointment.

Did you leave one of "those" countries Gandalf, if so have you noticed the correlation between second generation muslims and terrorism.

Is it the parents fault for ardent indoctrination of their offspring to believe that muslims are superior to all others as quoted in the Quran?

Are you a practitioner of the above?

Should we fear your children when they attain adulthood?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: How does Islam improve the world? Reply #42 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 6:04pm Adamant wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 5:53pm: Should we fear your children only if you play cricket
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Adamant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1892 Brisbane	Re: How does Islam improve the world? Reply #43 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 6:10pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 6:04pm: Adamant wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 5:53pm: Should we fear your children only if you play cricket Thanks for the flippant reply.
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Re: How does Islam improve the world?
Reply #44 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 6:18pm

Adamant wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 5:53pm:

Did you leave one of "those" countries Gandalf, if so have you noticed the correlation between second generation muslims and terrorism.

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Should we fear your children when they attain adulthood?

Is this from the same person who is constantly whining about the use of the word "islamophobia" - who insists that his concerns vis-a-vis islam has nothing to do with irrational fear?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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