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Reply #60 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 11:39am

Soren wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 11:10am:

Karnal wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 11:05am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 11:59pm:

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...........advocated persecution against people ...

against a death cult that murders innocents according to the instruction of its paedophilic leader.

You underestimate how much I detest islam

How about this one, FD? How do such views add to our social fabric and our commonweal?

And how do they fit within a Christian world view?

There are no right or wrong answers, FD. Christianity can be whatever you want it to be.

Are you the milk monitor now, PB?

Oh, old boy, come come. I have always delivered lovely fresh milk to all who need it.

At the risk of delivering a sermon, allow me to give you my own two cents.

Religion is not about politics. It is purely a personal thing. The books only advise communities of followers how to behave, and even then, people rarely follow them.

The books, however, are not the point. Anyone who has seriously invested their time in spiritual development understands this, and all religious traditions reinforce this point. Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Sikhism and many other movements are not social movements per se, but personal, self-help movements.

The fruit of these religions is personal transformation, what the alchemists metaphorically termed turning lead into gold. If these communities don’t facilitate or strive for this, they’re as a clanging symbol. Personal transformation always results in compassion, love, and a sense of peace. Forget the books, this is what inspires others and fosters religious communities.

All the religious traditions I’ve mentioned have this capacity. I have met people in all these religions who value these things and strive for them.

Equally, all these religious paths have their own obstacles. They can all lead to hollow dogma, which is the antithesis of spiritual development. They can lead to religious exclusiveness and religious war if we forget the core of the teachings.

Islam’s core is submitting one’s ego to Oneness through prayer, fasting, pilgrimage and charity. That’s the point of it.

Christianity’s core is self sacrifice through devotion to Christ. Islam essentially agrees with Christianity, but takes issue with the trinity. This was a hotly contested debate within Christianity prior to the first Council of Nicea. The Council resolved the dispute by ruling that Christ was always at one with God.

These paths inevitably lead to the same place, and do give people the compassion and happiness they seek from them. Anything else - which direction you pray in, how you pray and to which aspect of God you pray to - are meaningless.

But this is just my point of view - as the milk monitor.

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Re: How does Islam improve the world?
Reply #61 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 11:49am

Soren wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 3:38pm:

Christianity still controls the thinking of entire societies in Europe and the Americas and dare I even suggest, Australia under Tone Rabbit and his merry cabinet of members of the Religious Right? Roll Eyes

You are a dangerous idiot, Brain, because you are a dishonest, lying mong. On purpose.

What is a "mong"? I'm unfamiliar with this term of endearment, Soren. Roll Eyes

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Your deliberate dishonesty is your settled policy. You lie and distort as a matter of course, you have not been honest and candid in decades. You are a little jihadist on the internetz, a little foot soldier of Allan.

How am I being "deliberately dishonest"? Just because I disagree with you, that does not mean I am being dishonest, Soren.

Next you'll be calling me a "Communist"... Roll Eyes

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Reply #62 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 1:02pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 11:49am:

Soren wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 11:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 3:38pm:

Christianity still controls the thinking of entire societies in Europe and the Americas and dare I even suggest, Australia under Tone Rabbit and his merry cabinet of members of the Religious Right?

You are a dangerous idiot, Brain, because you are a dishonest, lying mong. On purpose.

What is a "mong"? I'm unfamiliar with this term of endearment, Soren. Roll Eyes

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Your deliberate dishonesty is your settled policy. You lie and distort as a matter of course, you have not been honest and candid in decades. You are a little jihadist on the internetz, a little foot soldier of Allan.

How am I being "deliberately dishonest"? Just because I disagree with you, that does not mean I am being dishonest, Soren.

Next you'll be calling me a "Communist"... Roll Eyes

You are deliberately dishonest by saying things that you know are not true - see above in large font.

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18652 Gender:	Re: How does Islam improve the world? Reply #63 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 1:14pm If we look at Afghanistan in the 1960's we can see the effect of Islam on that country. In the 1960's hijabs were rare and women went to University, when fundamental islam came to town girls were shot in the head for wanting an education. Iran was OK before the Mad Mullah's took control.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 138953 Gender:	Re: How does Islam improve the world? Reply #64 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 1:30pm How does Soren improve the world?
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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18652 Gender:	Re: How does Islam improve the world? Reply #65 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 1:31pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 1:30pm: How does Soren improve the world? How do peccaheads like you improve the world?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: How does Islam improve the world? Reply #66 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:12pm I'd appreciate it if people would desist from quoting Soren's (or anyone elses) personal insults. I do my best to delete insults, and I don't want them regurgitated across the forum.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 138953 Gender:	Re: How does Islam improve the world? Reply #67 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:22pm Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 1:31pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 1:30pm: How does Soren improve the world? How do peccaheads like you improve the world? By exposing frauds like you and Soren.
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Re: How does Islam improve the world?
Reply #68 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:35pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:12pm:

I'd appreciate it if people would desist from quoting Soren's (or anyone elses) personal insults. I do my best to delete insults, and I don't want them regurgitated across the forum.

Yes, G, but the old boy is merely improving society for the better. He is showing, through his words and deeds, the influence of his Lutheran prophet.

I do think it’s a jolly example for us all to follow, no?

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Reply #69 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:38pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:22pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 1:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 1:30pm:

How does Soren improve the world?

How do peccaheads like you improve the world?

By exposing frauds like you and Soren.

The only thing you expose is how much of a peccahead you are

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Reply #70 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:39pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 1:14pm:

If we look at Afghanistan in the 1960's we can see the effect of Islam on that country.

In the 1960's hijabs were rare and women went to University, when fundamental islam came to town girls were shot in the head for wanting an education.

Iran was OK before the Mad Mullah's took control.

Gandalf-

I am curious about your opinion of Afghanistan in the 60's,care to comment?

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Reply #71 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:41pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 1:14pm:

If we look at Afghanistan in the 1960's we can see the effect of Islam on that country.

In the 1960's hijabs were rare and women went to University, when fundamental islam came to town girls were shot in the head for wanting an education.

It's obvious you know buggerall about the history of Afghanistan if you believe that, Baron.

Islam has been in Afghanistan for over a millennium. You appear to believe it's a recent arrival or something. Hijabs, Burqa were common outside the capital Kabul, Baron. Don't let the pictures of a few mini-clad teenagers in the one major city fool you into thinking that Afghanistan had modernised in any meaningful way.

What brought about the resurgence of Islam was the Communist revolution in 1978. With its stupid attempt to create a Communist nation in the face of entrenched traditional modes of existence such as with collectivisation and the overturning of traditional power structures, created growing resistance, the Soviets then invaded in 1979 (like the Vietnam War more through a negligent slide into military action than design it seems) the deliberate US decision to use Islam as a unifying force through promotion of fundamentalist Sunni beliefs (the CIA also believed it would be a useful counter to the Sh'ia of Iran), unleashed a demon that the US has never been able to control. Like so much US policy, it's all about short term gain as against any long term thinking of possible consequences.

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Iran was OK before the Mad Mullah's took control.

Iran was OK before the US and UK overthrew the last democratically elected Government of Iran in 1953. Again, Western interference for short term gain, rather than thinking about the long term consequences of installing a despot like the Shah. Roll Eyes

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Reply #72 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:58pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:41pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 1:14pm:

If we look at Afghanistan in the 1960's we can see the effect of Islam on that country.

In the 1960's hijabs were rare and women went to University, when fundamental islam came to town girls were shot in the head for wanting an education.

It's obvious you know buggerall about the history of Afghanistan if you believe that, Baron.

Islam has been in Afghanistan for over a millennium. You appear to believe it's a recent arrival or something. Hijabs, Burqa were common outside the capital Kabul, Baron. Don't let the pictures of a few mini-clad teenagers in the one major city fool you into thinking that Afghanistan had modernised in any meaningful way.

What brought about the resurgence of Islam was the Communist revolution in 1978. With its stupid attempt to create a Communist nation in the face of entrenched traditional modes of existence such as with collectivisation and the overturning of traditional power structures, created growing resistance, the Soviets then invaded in 1979 (like the Vietnam War more through a negligent slide into military action than design it seems) the deliberate US decision to use Islam as a unifying force through promotion of fundamentalist Sunni beliefs (the CIA also believed it would be a useful counter to the Sh'ia of Iran), unleashed a demon that the US has never been able to control. Like so much US policy, it's all about short term gain as against any long term thinking of possible consequences.

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Iran was OK before the Mad Mullah's took control.

Iran was OK before the US and UK overthrew the last democratically elected Government of Iran in 1953. Again, Western interference for short term gain, rather than thinking about the long term consequences of installing a despot like the Shah. Roll Eyes

Maryam Namazie an Iranian founder of the councilofexmuslims says you just have to look at Afghanistan and Iran to see how Islam can take over your country and be a major setback for progress.
www.councilofexmuslims.com

Of course you don't support those who chose to leave Islam do you brian, we have a thread on your spineless apologetics regarding the death penalty for apostasy.

There are Iranians who say the Shah was much better than the barbaric Islamic regime, I have had Iranians ask me why the CIA did not put a bullet in Khomenis head to prevent the Islamic revolution,JC was a pussy is all I can say.

The Pakistan ISI played a huge role in the creation of the Taliban, of course the USA did not want communism to spread which probably helped seal the fate of the first Kurdish state as well which was communist.

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Reply #73 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 3:02pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:22pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 1:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 1:30pm:

How does Soren improve the world?

How do peccaheads like you improve the world?

By exposing frauds like you and Soren.

The only thing you expose is how much of a peccahead you are

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Re: How does Islam improve the world?
Reply #74 - Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 3:05pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 2:41pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 1:14pm:

If we look at Afghanistan in the 1960's we can see the effect of Islam on that country.

In the 1960's hijabs were rare and women went to University, when fundamental islam came to town girls were shot in the head for wanting an education.

It's obvious you know buggerall about the history of Afghanistan if you believe that, Baron.

Islam has been in Afghanistan for over a millennium. You appear to believe it's a recent arrival or something. Hijabs, Burqa were common outside the capital Kabul, Baron. Don't let the pictures of a few mini-clad teenagers in the one major city fool you into thinking that Afghanistan had modernised in any meaningful way.

Are you arguing for Islam, or against? Roll Eyes

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What brought about the resurgence of Islam was the Communist revolution in 1978. With its stupid attempt to create a Communist nation in the face of entrenched traditional modes of existence such as with collectivisation and the overturning of traditional power structures, created growing resistance, the Soviets then invaded in 1979 (like the Vietnam War more through a negligent slide into military action than design it seems) the deliberate US decision to use Islam as a unifying force through promotion of fundamentalist Sunni beliefs (the CIA also believed it would be a useful counter to the Sh'ia of Iran), unleashed a demon that the US has never been able to control. Like so much US policy, it's all about short term gain as against any long term thinking of possible consequences.

So don't try to change a society, just leave it how it is because you may end up stuffing it all up.

Sounds like a good argument against multiculturalism... Roll Eyes

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