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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	How does Islam improve the world? Jan 1^st, 2015 at 10:07pm Tell us how Islam makes the world better in our time.
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Reply #1 - Jan 1^st, 2015 at 10:28pm

Soren wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 10:07pm:

Tell us how Islam makes the world better in our time.

~6 billion human beings. .....thats, 6,000,000,000 human beings.

~ 250 mountain leopards

~ 3,000 mountain gorillas

.....you can see where i'm going with this.

ISLAM creates dead bodies, .....the dead bodies of lots of humans.

And the earth needs less human beings.

The worlds fauna need less human beings.

Seen those WWF advts ???

Sponsor a Turtle ?

Sponsor a Tiger ?

Sponsor an Orang-utan ?

Short-cut.......

Instead of supporting WWF, with your hard earned.......convert to ISLAM and murder a few billion human beings.

Become a Greenie, convert to ISLAM.

Save nature, convert to ISLAM.

Allah be praised!

Even when you have murdered all of the infidels, you can start on fellow moslems, who do not measure up, as 'fellow moslems'.

Take the example of ISIS in Syria and Iraq.i

Persons like this - Haron Monis - .......

.....are moslems.

IMAGE....

.....they are inspired by what their religion teaches them to believe.

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ISLAM is Allah's perfect religion, so you have a duty to become a moslem.

To reject ISLAM, is to insult ISLAM.

You know it is true.

Convert to ISLAM today, and save Orang-utan's, Turtles, and Tigers!

You owe it to the planet!

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: How does Islam improve the world?
Reply #2 - Jan 1^st, 2015 at 11:11pm

Soren wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 10:07pm:

Tell us how Islam makes the world better in our time.

It is an article of faith amongst muslims that islam will be a force for good to be sure, but that is not the discussion to be had - and only the extremists on either sides would even attempt it.

All you are doing is creating a strawman.

All you should be concerned about is the issue of people's right to freely adhere to and practice a belief system without fear of discrimination or persecution. Most people will rigorously stand up for this right - despite not sharing in the beliefs they are defending - indeed not even caring what these beliefs and practices are (as long as they don't impinge on other people's rights, of course). And yet here you are seemingly conflating the two - as if your acceptance of a person's right to a belief is somehow contingent upon that belief being plausible (to you).

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40764 Gender:	Re: How does Islam improve the world? Reply #3 - Jan 1^st, 2015 at 11:11pm Soren wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 10:07pm: Tell us how Islam makes the world better in our time. I cannot see any value to this cult
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Reply #4 - Jan 1^st, 2015 at 11:24pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 11:11pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 10:07pm:

Tell us how Islam makes the world better in our time.

It is an article of faith amongst muslims that islam will be a force for good to be sure, but that is not the discussion to be had - and only the extremists on either sides would even attempt it.

All you are doing is creating a strawman.

All you should be concerned about is the issue of people's right to freely adhere to and practice a belief system without fear of discrimination or persecution. Most people will rigorously stand up for this right - despite not sharing in the beliefs they are defending - indeed not even caring what these beliefs and practices are (as long as they don't impinge on other people's rights, of course). And yet here you are seemingly conflating the two - as if your acceptance of a person's right to a belief is somehow contingent upon that belief being plausible (to you).

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.........All you should be concerned about is the issue of people's right to freely adhere to and practice a belief system without fear of discrimination or persecution.....

islam is the cult that persecutes

I know what I should be concerned about.
not you

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Re: How does Islam improve the world?
Reply #5 - Jan 1^st, 2015 at 11:40pm

You could argue the case for every religion. I would argue that none have brought anything good, and that anything good that came out of cultures that had such beliefs is not because of them but in spite of them.

Does Islam improve the world? I would say no, same as buddhism, daoism, christianity,

scientology

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the raelians

sikhism

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96347	Re: How does Islam improve the world? Reply #6 - Jan 1^st, 2015 at 11:49pm Soren wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 10:07pm: Tell us how Islam makes the world better in our time. Some say it’s the homos, some the tabouli, one thing is certain. It’s all a matter of personal taste. Correlation not causation, innit.
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Re: How does Islam improve the world?
Reply #7 - Jan 1^st, 2015 at 11:49pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 11:24pm:

islam is the cult that persecutes

And yet you are the one who has advocated persecution against people for holding a belief - time and time again. You don't call for punishing the persecutors, you call for collective punishment - ban them, bomb them, nuke them - raze a mosque for every terrorist attack - its all there Sprint, I can quote you if you like.

People have a right to a belief - without fear of persecution.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #8 - Jan 1^st, 2015 at 11:53pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 11:11pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 10:07pm:

Tell us how Islam makes the world better in our time.

It is an article of faith amongst muslims that islam will be a force for good to be sure, but that is not the discussion to be had - and only the extremists on either sides would even attempt it.

All you are doing is creating a strawman.

All you should be concerned about is the issue of people's right to freely adhere to and practice a belief system without fear of discrimination or persecution. Most people will rigorously stand up for this right - despite not sharing in the beliefs they are defending - indeed not even caring what these beliefs and practices are (as long as they don't impinge on other people's rights, of course). And yet here you are seemingly conflating the two - as if your acceptance of a person's right to a belief is somehow contingent upon that belief being plausible (to you).

As long as they join team Australia - then it's alright.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40764 Gender:	Re: How does Islam improve the world? Reply #9 - Jan 1^st, 2015 at 11:59pm Quote: ...........advocated persecution against people ... against a death cult that murders innocents according to the instruction of its paedophilic leader. You underestimate how much I detest islam
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Reply #10 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:21am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 11:49pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 11:24pm:

islam is the cult that persecutes

And yet you are the one who has advocated persecution against people for holding a belief - time and time again. You don't call for punishing the persecutors, you call for collective punishment - ban them, bomb them, nuke them - raze a mosque for every terrorist attack - its all there Sprint, I can quote you if you like.

People have a right to a belief - without fear of persecution.

Moslems ?

No, they don't gandalf.

And, imo, you are insane, if you believe moslems have a right to pursue such a 'religious freedom'.

DEVELOPING THAT ARGUMENT...

Moslems are not entitled to believe that they have a lawful right to murder people, who do not believe as they [moslems] believe.

BUT THAT, IS THE BELIEF WHICH ISLAM INCULCATES, INTO THE PSYCHE, OF EVERY MOSLEM.

Yadda wrote on Dec 30^th, 2014 at 8:25am:

ISLAMIC LAW teaches - EVERY MOSLEM - that murdering those who are not moslems [i.e. those who reject ISLAM], is a lawful act.

That 'precept' of faith is mainstream within ISLAM.

ISIS know it.

Al-Qaeda know it.

The Saudis know it.

And EVERY moslem who is living among us, here in Australia, knows it.

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

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"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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A simple definition of SANITY/INSANITY.

Typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society].

And typically, and conversely, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself, and, or, others around him.

'Normal' criminal behaviour - in mankind
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293669294/0#0

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: How does Islam improve the world?
Reply #11 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:56am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 11:59pm:

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...........advocated persecution against people ...

against a death cult that murders innocents according to the instruction of its paedophilic leader.

You underestimate how much I detest islam

But Sprint you are not calling for the mere punishment of murderers. You want people to be persecuted for their beliefs - even if they have committed no crime. You have called for muslims to be collectively punished for the crimes of the few.

How are you any better than these so called cultists that you moralise against?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #12 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 1:12am

Yadda wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:21am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 11:49pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 11:24pm:

islam is the cult that persecutes

And yet you are the one who has advocated persecution against people for holding a belief - time and time again. You don't call for punishing the persecutors, you call for collective punishment - ban them, bomb them, nuke them - raze a mosque for every terrorist attack - its all there Sprint, I can quote you if you like.

People have a right to a belief - without fear of persecution.

Moslems ?

No, they don't gandalf.

Actually they do. It is a right that is guaranteed by the UN, the Australian constitution and of course, common decency, Yadda.

Your persecution of Muslims does you no justice. None at all. It makes you a disgrace to the very ideals you claim to be protecting. Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #13 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 5:41am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:56am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 1^st, 2015 at 11:59pm:

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...........advocated persecution against people ...

against a death cult that murders innocents according to the instruction of its paedophilic leader.

You underestimate how much I detest islam

But Sprint you are not calling for the mere punishment of murderers. You want people to be persecuted for their beliefs - even if they have committed no crime. You have called for muslims to be collectively punished for the crimes of the few.

How are you any better than these so called cultists that you moralise against?

Sprint is a true Christian.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: How does Islam improve the world? Reply #14 - Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 5:52am Yadda wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2015 at 12:21am: Moslems are not entitled to believe that they have a lawful right to murder people, who do not believe as they [moslems] believe. You say this, but then without a hint of hesitation condone the biblical genocides.
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