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Re: It's Official ~ 2014 Hottest Year Globally
Reply #30 - Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:46am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:33am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:04am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:01am:

Yep, the old planet earth is getting hotter, no doubt about it. I'm glad I won't be around in 50 years, it'll be a sweat fest.

you can tell the difference between 20.0 and 20.7 degrees?

No.

In Qld we are getting more record breaking hot days than twenty years ago. More nasty weather events than twenty years ago. The climate has changed, that's for sure, it's noticeable and I don't care to get into the argument of what caused it.

Last year the hottest daily record was broken by many degrees in many regions, let's see what happens this year, year on year, hotter days that's for sure.

and that has been long since debunked. extreme weather events have not increased and in fact have very slightly DECREASED. Temperature records often say in screaming headlines "RECORD TEMPERATURE" while the body of the article says 'hottest since 1939' or whatever or even more ludicrously 'hottest day since 2010'.

climate is always changing. the fallcy in the hysterical position is that anything that happens now is unprecedented. After all, it is people like you claiming bushfires have increased due to global warming when in fact, they have DECREASED in frequency.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137833 Gender:	Re: It's Official ~ 2014 Hottest Year Globally Reply #31 - Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:47am ____ wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:31am: What I can see is a linkage between human activity and temperature rises. Correlation - causation?
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Reply #32 - Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:51am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:40am:

____ wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:31am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:26am:

____ wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:23am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:19am:

____ wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:12am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

____ wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:06am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:04am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:01am:

Yep, the old planet earth is getting hotter, no doubt about it. I'm glad I won't be around in 50 years, it'll be a sweat fest.

you can tell the difference between 20.0 and 20.7 degrees?

What were you saying about 18 years and one month without warming?

18 years out of 4,540,000,000

Grin

AGW ~ Anthropogenic Global Warming

Were humans pumping out massive amounts of greenhouse gas 4,539,999,999 years ago?

I don't know.

Do you?

Do you know what the temperature was 4,539,999,999 years ago?

Humans were not around then, so couldn't be.

You know that for a fact, do you?

Do you know for a fact what the temperature was 4,539,999,999 years ago?

Do I have to know.

Yes, in order to know whether this has happened before or not.

You're just making assumptions at this stage.

Assumptions based on basic chemistry, the effects of human caused deforestation, and the science of specialised scientists within their fields.

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Re: It's Official ~ 2014 Hottest Year Globally
Reply #33 - Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:54am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:42am:

____ wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:06am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:04am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:01am:

Yep, the old planet earth is getting hotter, no doubt about it. I'm glad I won't be around in 50 years, it'll be a sweat fest.

you can tell the difference between 20.0 and 20.7 degrees?

What were you saying about 18 years and one month without warming?

it remains true and still is. Even the graph demonstrates my point. I could explain it to you but it would require a grade 8 education and a sense of honesty, both of which you lack in spades.

Yeah by selectively picking 18 years and one month to back up a out dated position.

Yet there has been warming in the last 18 years and one month.

You have nothing now.
2015, the year denialism went extinct.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137833 Gender:	Re: It's Official ~ 2014 Hottest Year Globally Reply #34 - Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:55am ____ wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:51am: Assumptions based on basic chemistry, the effects of human caused deforestation, and the science of specialised scientists within their fields. Correct. Still just assumptions, though.
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Reply #35 - Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:59am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:55am:

____ wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:51am:

Assumptions based on basic chemistry, the effects of human caused deforestation, and the science of specialised scientists within their fields.

Correct.

Still just assumptions, though.

And human decisions are made on them.
Humans geo engineering with heat trapping greenhouse gas and deforestation has the effect of heating the planet, as temperature records are showing.

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Re: It's Official ~ 2014 Hottest Year Globally
Reply #36 - Jan 6^th, 2015 at 11:03am

____ wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:55am:

____ wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:51am:

Assumptions based on basic chemistry, the effects of human caused deforestation, and the science of specialised scientists within their fields.

Correct.

Still just assumptions, though.

And human decisions are made on them.
Humans geo engineering with heat trapping greenhouse gas and deforestation heat trapping areas has the effect of heating the planet, as records are showing.

That's the hypothesis, yes.

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Re: It's Official ~ 2014 Hottest Year Globally
Reply #37 - Jan 6^th, 2015 at 11:06am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 11:03am:

____ wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:55am:

____ wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:51am:

Assumptions based on basic chemistry, the effects of human caused deforestation, and the science of specialised scientists within their fields.

Correct.

Still just assumptions, though.

And human decisions are made on them.
Humans geo engineering with heat trapping greenhouse gas and deforestation heat trapping areas has the effect of heating the planet, as records are showing.

That's the hypothesis, yes.

Action on this hypothesis via reducing human greenhouse gas and deforestation, do you oppose this step?

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Re: It's Official ~ 2014 Hottest Year Globally
Reply #38 - Jan 6^th, 2015 at 11:07am

____ wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 11:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 11:03am:

____ wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:55am:

____ wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:51am:

Assumptions based on basic chemistry, the effects of human caused deforestation, and the science of specialised scientists within their fields.

Correct.

Still just assumptions, though.

And human decisions are made on them.
Humans geo engineering with heat trapping greenhouse gas and deforestation heat trapping areas has the effect of heating the planet, as records are showing.

That's the hypothesis, yes.

Action on this hypothesis via reducing human greenhouse gas and deforestation, do you oppose this step?

Not at all.

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Re: It's Official ~ 2014 Hottest Year Globally
Reply #39 - Jan 6^th, 2015 at 11:23am

____ wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 9:57am:

With 2014 in the books, it's officially taken the title of hottest year on record. That ranking comes courtesy of data released Monday by the Japan Meteorological Agency (JMA), the first of four major global temperature record keepers to release their data for last year.

The upward march of the world’s average temperature since 1891 is a trademark of human-influenced global warming with 2014 being the latest stop on the climb. All 10 of the hottest years have come since 1998.

What now AGW denialists, who claimed warming had stopped ... no warming since 2014?

Greeny, you've got a problem with your chart there. You've posted the wrong one. That looks like a chart of global economic activity, not temperatures. Undecided

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Re: It's Official ~ 2014 Hottest Year Globally
Reply #40 - Jan 6^th, 2015 at 11:27am

I still want to see other sources of data before I take a graph with such little data seriously. Given the previous 18 years had no warming and 2014 is supposed 0.05 degrees warmer it is hard to take this seriously. It could be an anomaly, it could be fraudulent (plenty of that has happened before), it could be a mistake. either way, ONE DATA POINT does not make a trend.

I would also point out that we have heard this same story about 2011, 2012 and 2013 and it turned out to not be true. I don't expect this to be any different.

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Re: It's Official ~ 2014 Hottest Year Globally
Reply #41 - Jan 6^th, 2015 at 12:12pm

____ wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:08am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:06am:

____ wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:03am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 9:59am:

120 years out of 4,540,000,000

Hmmm.

Human Industrialisation ... polluting massive amounts of greenhouse gas has it's effects.

Very difficult to say if it's had any effect on temperatures, seeing as we are only looking at 120 years out of 4,540,000,000.

Yet human industrialisation isn't 4,540,000,000 years old.

We don't know that. How do we know what civilizations in the past did? How do we know that Atlantis or Mu weren't industrial societies? How do we know the Aborigines didn't cause global warming? We don't have the figures.

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Re: It's Official ~ 2014 Hottest Year Globally
Reply #42 - Jan 6^th, 2015 at 12:27pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

I still want to see other sources of data before I take a graph with such little data seriously. Given the previous 18 years had no warming and 2014 is supposed 0.05 degrees warmer it is hard to take this seriously. It could be an anomaly, it could be fraudulent (plenty of that has happened before), it could be a mistake. either way, ONE DATA POINT does not make a trend.

I agree, Longy. Greens' graph is just leftard nonsense. The previous 18 years of global temperature rises don't count when it's only ONE DATA POINT.

I concur with one of your previous arguments. The steady rise in average temperatures over the last 18 years is actually evidence of global cooling, not global warming.

The problem with the leftards is they refuse to look at the maths.

Idiots.

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Re: It's Official ~ 2014 Hottest Year Globally
Reply #43 - Jan 6^th, 2015 at 1:00pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:46am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:33am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:04am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:01am:

Yep, the old planet earth is getting hotter, no doubt about it. I'm glad I won't be around in 50 years, it'll be a sweat fest.

you can tell the difference between 20.0 and 20.7 degrees?

No.

In Qld we are getting more record breaking hot days than twenty years ago. More nasty weather events than twenty years ago. The climate has changed, that's for sure, it's noticeable and I don't care to get into the argument of what caused it.

Last year the hottest daily record was broken by many degrees in many regions, let's see what happens this year, year on year, hotter days that's for sure.

and that has been long since debunked. extreme weather events have not increased and in fact have very slightly DECREASED. Temperature records often say in screaming headlines "RECORD TEMPERATURE" while the body of the article says 'hottest since 1939' or whatever or even more ludicrously 'hottest day since 2010'.

climate is always changing. the fallcy in the hysterical position is that anything that happens now is unprecedented. After all, it is people like you claiming bushfires have increased due to global warming when in fact, they have DECREASED in frequency.

Exactly. We've actually had much nicer weather over the past 18 years. The naysayers are miserable grumps who just want something to complain about.

I mean, really. It's just hysterics. If you can't handle a minor bushfire, go and live on an island. And if you can't handle the minuscule rising sea level, head for the mainland. And if you can't handle a tiny typhoon, go and live in a mountain cave or something.

And if you can't handle the floods and landslides, kill yourself.

Idiots.

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Re: It's Official ~ 2014 Hottest Year Globally
Reply #44 - Jan 6^th, 2015 at 1:30pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6^th, 2015 at 10:26am:

You know that for a fact, do you?

Do you know for a fact what the temperature was 4,539,999,999 years ago?

Your making silly arguments pecca - in science there is precious little we know "for a fact", those sort of absolutes are the realm of mathematics. In science we go by the weight of evidence, and the weight of evidence is heavilly - indeed about as heavilly as it can be weighted - in favour of human induced warming.

Also, we do have evidence of what the temperatures were prior to a century ago in ice cores.

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