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Reply #30 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 10:54pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 7:41pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 7:15pm:

Let's not mistake their impotence for benign intent. And only extreme naivete would lead someone to believe they will never get what they want.

Do you think its possible the fact that these laws never have and never will have a dogs chance in hell of ever being used was an influencing factor in getting them through?

We still don’t have any understanding of which stare laws on the death penalty were ever legislated.

The old boy seems to think they’re unconstitutional (or British). FD, as usual, is keeping mum.

Do you know?

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Reply #31 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:00pm

Soren wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 6:27pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 5:36pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 5:33pm:

You are very lucky that Australia's two major parties - the Liberal and Labour parties are both far left socialist in their social policies.

Sensei, I fear you are mistaken. Both parties are of the Right! Grin

For a Bolshie, EVERYONE is on the right.

And for a Fascist, everybody is on the left, Soren. Correct? What does that suggest about Herbie's analysis of where the two major parties lie on the Australian political spectrum? Roll Eyes

Personally, I believe both major parties are meant to be of the centre but in reality the Tories have moved over the last 30 years significantly to the right, since the ALP took over most of their economic policies in the 1980s. Since then the "dries" as Mrs.Thatcher referred to them have come to predominate, while the "wets", the real Liberals have lost control of their party.

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Reply #32 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:01pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 7:00pm:

wally1 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 6:13pm:

I was born here, aussie born and bred.

If you're a Muslim then you're most certainly not "aussie ... bred".

Australia doesn't breed Muslims ... only Muslims breed Muslims.

So, an Aussie can IYO, Herbie never be a Muslim? Roll Eyes

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Reply #33 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:05pm

freediver wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 7:57pm:

The majority of Malaysian Muslims support the death penalty for apostasy. Fortunately Malaysia is a democracy and there are enough non-Muslims in Malaysia to water them down to a minority of the total population. Gandalf, Brian, HB et al will desperately cling to any alternative explanation (eg they didn't really mean it, only a poll conducted within the last 5 minutes counts etc), other than the obvious.

You do understand the principles of democracy, don't you, FD?

'cause your statement is oxymoronic. Roll Eyes

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Malaysia does have plenty of backwards laws, thanks to Islam.

So does Australia and the US and the UK, thanks to Christianity. Why single out Malaysia and Islam, except because of your Islamophobia, FD? Roll Eyes

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Reply #34 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:32pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:05pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 7:57pm:

The majority of Malaysian Muslims support the death penalty for apostasy. Fortunately Malaysia is a democracy and there are enough non-Muslims in Malaysia to water them down to a minority of the total population. Gandalf, Brian, HB et al will desperately cling to any alternative explanation (eg they didn't really mean it, only a poll conducted within the last 5 minutes counts etc), other than the obvious.

You do understand the principles of democracy, don't you, FD?

'cause your statement is oxymoronic. Roll Eyes

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Malaysia does have plenty of backwards laws, thanks to Islam.

So does Australia and the US and the UK, thanks to Christianity. Why single out Malaysia and Islam, except because of your Islamophobia, FD? Roll Eyes

Muslims killing innocent people in the democratic nation of France for exercising their freedom of speech. While some are still fighting for their lives while the bodies of those dead go cold, Bwian's only comments since this tragedy is to call people islamaphobic whilst continuing to be an apologist for Islam. Oh, and still finding the time to criticise Christianity.

The mind of the self proclaimed enlightened...

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Reply #35 - Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:44pm

Quantum wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:32pm:

Muslims killing innocent people in the democratic nation of France for exercising their freedom of speech. While some are still fighting for their lives while the bodies of those dead go cold, Bwian's only comments since this tragedy is to call people islamaphobic whilst continuing to be an apologist for Islam. Oh, and still finding the time to criticise Christianity.

The mind of the self proclaimed enlightened...

So, in your view, all Muslims, even the Muslims of Malaysia, tens of thousands of kilometres from Paris are responsible for what some Muslim terrorists have done in Paris?

I have no interest in defending Islam but I will defend innocent Muslims. Do you want to persecute them for what their co-religionists may have done?

Interesting and convoluted thinking there, Quantum. Roll Eyes

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Reply #36 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 8:25am

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:01pm:

So, an Aussie can IYO, Herbie never be a Muslim? Roll Eyes

In my personal view? ~ Correct.

Same with those who hold dual citizenship.

Being a Muslim, their loyalties are forever embedded with the global Islam of their shia or sunni affiliations.

In a street poll in Sydney's Muslim ghetto of Lakemba, the respondents all replied that sharia law is 'God's law' and therefore trumps any laws made in Canberra.

That pretty much says where their primary loyalties lie.

Islam is foreign to western sensibilities and its cultural heritage.

What are they calling their Australian-born kids? Mohammad ... Aisha ... Mustafa ... etc.

Australians? I don't think so.

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Reply #37 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 9:34am

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:44pm:

Quantum wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:32pm:

Muslims killing innocent people in the democratic nation of France for exercising their freedom of speech. While some are still fighting for their lives while the bodies of those dead go cold, Bwian's only comments since this tragedy is to call people islamaphobic whilst continuing to be an apologist for Islam. Oh, and still finding the time to criticise Christianity.

The mind of the self proclaimed enlightened...

So, in your view, all Muslims, even the Muslims of Malaysia, tens of thousands of kilometres from Paris are responsible for what some Muslim terrorists have done in Paris?

They are implicated.

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Reply #38 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 9:52am

Quantum wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:05pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 7:57pm:

The majority of Malaysian Muslims support the death penalty for apostasy. Fortunately Malaysia is a democracy and there are enough non-Muslims in Malaysia to water them down to a minority of the total population. Gandalf, Brian, HB et al will desperately cling to any alternative explanation (eg they didn't really mean it, only a poll conducted within the last 5 minutes counts etc), other than the obvious.

You do understand the principles of democracy, don't you, FD?

'cause your statement is oxymoronic. Roll Eyes

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Malaysia does have plenty of backwards laws, thanks to Islam.

So does Australia and the US and the UK, thanks to Christianity. Why single out Malaysia and Islam, except because of your Islamophobia, FD? Roll Eyes

Muslims killing innocent people in the democratic nation of France for exercising their freedom of speech. While some are still fighting for their lives while the bodies of those dead go cold, Bwian's only comments since this tragedy is to call people islamaphobic whilst continuing to be an apologist for Islam. Oh, and still finding the time to criticise Christianity.

The mind of the self proclaimed enlightened...

people like brian are apologetic lefty cowards

the muzzies will overrun them with consummate ease

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Reply #39 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 12:14pm

Soren wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 9:34am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:44pm:

Quantum wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:32pm:

Muslims killing innocent people in the democratic nation of France for exercising their freedom of speech. While some are still fighting for their lives while the bodies of those dead go cold, Bwian's only comments since this tragedy is to call people islamaphobic whilst continuing to be an apologist for Islam. Oh, and still finding the time to criticise Christianity.

The mind of the self proclaimed enlightened...

So, in your view, all Muslims, even the Muslims of Malaysia, tens of thousands of kilometres from Paris are responsible for what some Muslim terrorists have done in Paris?

They are implicated.

How? Must have been awfully crowded with the entire population of Malaysia all trying to pull the triggers on those AK47s. Grin

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Reply #40 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 1:26pm

|dev|null wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 12:14pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 9:34am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:44pm:

Quantum wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:32pm:

Muslims killing innocent people in the democratic nation of France for exercising their freedom of speech. While some are still fighting for their lives while the bodies of those dead go cold, Bwian's only comments since this tragedy is to call people islamaphobic whilst continuing to be an apologist for Islam. Oh, and still finding the time to criticise Christianity.

The mind of the self proclaimed enlightened...

So, in your view, all Muslims, even the Muslims of Malaysia, tens of thousands of kilometres from Paris are responsible for what some Muslim terrorists have done in Paris?

They are implicated.

How? Must have been awfully crowded with the entire population of Malaysia all trying to pull the triggers on those AK47s. Grin

Either Muslims - here, there, everywhere - get on board with the whole free speech, free expression of ideas thing or they continue to exclude themselves from the liberal democratic process and viewed with suspicion and disdain or worse.

There cannot be 'free speech except about Islam'. Certainly not in Western democracies.

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Reply #41 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 1:33pm

Most Muslims are "on board" Soren. The problem is with the minority who aren't. You however keep telling us that all Muslims aren't "on board" without any proof other than your prejudice. Stop persecuting Muslims because of your fear, your inability to accommodate people who are different to yourself. It is unbecoming in a modern, liberal democratic society. Grin

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Reply #42 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 9:50pm

Soren wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 1:26pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 12:14pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 9:34am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:44pm:

Quantum wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:32pm:

Muslims killing innocent people in the democratic nation of France for exercising their freedom of speech. While some are still fighting for their lives while the bodies of those dead go cold, Bwian's only comments since this tragedy is to call people islamaphobic whilst continuing to be an apologist for Islam. Oh, and still finding the time to criticise Christianity.

The mind of the self proclaimed enlightened...

So, in your view, all Muslims, even the Muslims of Malaysia, tens of thousands of kilometres from Paris are responsible for what some Muslim terrorists have done in Paris?

They are implicated.

How? Must have been awfully crowded with the entire population of Malaysia all trying to pull the triggers on those AK47s. Grin

Either Muslims - here, there, everywhere - get on board with the whole free speech, free expression of ideas thing or they continue to exclude themselves from the liberal democratic process and viewed with suspicion and disdain or worse.

There cannot be 'free speech except about Islam'. Certainly not in Western democracies.

According to Gandalf there can. It's just a different type of free speech. Gandalf thinks the majority of Australians are with him on this one.

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Reply #43 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 10:36pm

freediver wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 9:50pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 1:26pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 12:14pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 9:34am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:44pm:

Quantum wrote on Jan 7^th, 2015 at 11:32pm:

Muslims killing innocent people in the democratic nation of France for exercising their freedom of speech. While some are still fighting for their lives while the bodies of those dead go cold, Bwian's only comments since this tragedy is to call people islamaphobic whilst continuing to be an apologist for Islam. Oh, and still finding the time to criticise Christianity.

The mind of the self proclaimed enlightened...

So, in your view, all Muslims, even the Muslims of Malaysia, tens of thousands of kilometres from Paris are responsible for what some Muslim terrorists have done in Paris?

They are implicated.

How? Must have been awfully crowded with the entire population of Malaysia all trying to pull the triggers on those AK47s. Grin

Either Muslims - here, there, everywhere - get on board with the whole free speech, free expression of ideas thing or they continue to exclude themselves from the liberal democratic process and viewed with suspicion and disdain or worse.

There cannot be 'free speech except about Islam'. Certainly not in Western democracies.

According to Gandalf there can. It's just a different type of free speech. Gandalf thinks the majority of Australians are with him on this one.

It’s the same with the old boy. His self-proclaimed right to be mendacious about Muselmen exludes the right to tell porkies about Lutherans and Freudians. You believe this too, FD.

We can’t criticize Iraq - that would be unfair to those who died for its Freeeeedom. After all, it’s the next South Korea, no?

No one has the right to not be mendacious - except your Muselman.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Malaysia in the grip of Islamic extremists Reply #44 - Jan 9^th, 2015 at 9:39am Karnal wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 10:36pm: It’s the same with the old boy. His self-proclaimed right to be mendacious about Muselmen exludes the right to tell porkies about Lutherans and Freudians. Where do you get this nonsense from, PB? Mendacious lying again?
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