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Reply #15 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 10:14am

Dnarever wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 8:57am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 8:45am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 8:21am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 8:17am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 8:14am:

Not sure I agree, like with education many conservatives like to force the price up to keep the rabble out and to insure that it is an exclusive service for the benefit of their people only

rich people don't like to pay any more than they have to . ..... especially taxes

They virtually don't actually pay any taxes. For many their income is zero.

been denunked multiple times but you have turned into such an ignorant dolt, you cannot learn.

Only when you show that the rich are on $70K.

it has already been PROVEN that the top 16% pay 63% of income tax. even a dope like you is going to struggle to deny that.

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Reply #16 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 10:57am

45.9% of income earners pay 3.7% of tax
and then whinge because 'their' services are being cut and the 'rich' are getting a few miserly tax rebates?

They whinge about wealth fare, they whinge about private schools and then whinge about private health insurance rebates? They whinge about CO2 emissions and Hospital beds, and level crossings and paramedics etc etc etc til the cows come home....

How dare the Govt that us 45.9% of income earners that only pay 3.7% of the cost for spend the 96.3% of other people's taxes on anything but them? Grin

They call the so-called rich selfish? Roll Eyes

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Reply #17 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 11:53am

Swagman wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 10:57am:

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45.9% of income earners pay 3.7% of tax
and then whinge because 'their' services are being cut and the 'rich' are getting a few miserly tax rebates?

They whinge about wealth fare, they whinge about private schools and then whinge about private health insurance rebates? They whinge about CO2 emissions and Hospital beds, and level crossings and paramedics etc etc etc til the cows come home....

How dare the Govt that us 45.9% of income earners that only pay 3.7% of the cost for spend the 96.3% of other people's taxes on anything but them? Grin

They call the so-called rich selfish? Roll Eyes

well said but they will never understand it.

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Re: Put GST On Private Health Insurance Not Fresh Food
Reply #18 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 12:23pm

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 9:15am:

It doesn't seem to matter how often we explain things to you people, you just don't get it do you.

To the extent that you disincentivise private education and private health insurance, to that extent you put extra burdens on the public systems.

The modelling says otherwise.
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Abolishing the private health insurance rebate could save the budget $3 billion a year, dwarfing the savings that would be generated by introducing a $6 fee for GP visits, according to a think tank.

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The 30 per cent private health insurance rebate was introduced in 1999. Its annual cost has risen faster than any other component of government health spending, from $1.4 billion in 1999-2000 to $5.5 billion in 2012-13.

A Grattan Institute analysis predicts removing the rebate would increase demand for public hospital services by between $1.5 billion and $3.8 billion a year, but suggests the increase would be at the lower end of the range because the Medicare Levy Surcharge (paid by middle and high-income earners who do not have private cover) and the Lifetime Cover policy (a penalty on those who first take out private cover after the age of 30) would provide incentives for people to keep their insurance.

The institute settles on an estimate of $2.5 billion in extra public hospital costs, projecting that scrapping the rebate would produce a net saving of $3 billion.

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Reply #19 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 12:26pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 9:11am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 8:01am:

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Put the GST on private health insurance and private schools, not fresh food

that'll never happen with a liberal govt. ... they only want taxes that OTHER people pay

That's complete rot. It's Leftists that want to live out of everyone else's pocket.

The GST should be levied on everything then there'd be no arguments.

then why don't you propose gst on private health and education? rot my arse

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Reply #20 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 12:28pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 10:14am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 8:57am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 8:45am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 8:21am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 8:17am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 8:14am:

Not sure I agree, like with education many conservatives like to force the price up to keep the rabble out and to insure that it is an exclusive service for the benefit of their people only

rich people don't like to pay any more than they have to . ..... especially taxes

They virtually don't actually pay any taxes. For many their income is zero.

been denunked multiple times but you have turned into such an ignorant dolt, you cannot learn.

Only when you show that the rich are on $70K.

it has already been PROVEN that the top 16% pay 63% of income tax. even a dope like you is going to struggle to deny that.

That is the top 16% of PAYE earners basically and goes down to incomes of around $70K.

Many of the truly wealthy put in returns of virtually zero and appear in the same data as being poor and required to pay no tax at all.

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Reply #21 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 12:28pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 10:14am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 8:57am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 8:45am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 8:21am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 8:17am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 8:14am:

Not sure I agree, like with education many conservatives like to force the price up to keep the rabble out and to insure that it is an exclusive service for the benefit of their people only

rich people don't like to pay any more than they have to . ..... especially taxes

They virtually don't actually pay any taxes. For many their income is zero.

been denunked multiple times but you have turned into such an ignorant dolt, you cannot learn.

Only when you show that the rich are on $70K.

it has already been PROVEN that the top 16% pay 63% of income tax. even a dope like you is going to struggle to deny that.

the comment was that the RICH pay all the taxes .... up to $180 k is NOT rich.

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Reply #22 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 12:30pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 10:57am:

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45.9% of income earners pay 3.7% of tax
and then whinge because 'their' services are being cut and the 'rich' are getting a few miserly tax rebates?

Why do you insist on posting lies?

As usual you ignore all indirect taxes, and keep wilfully misrepresenting "income tax" as being the same as "all tax" when you know full well that isn't the case, not by a long shot.

Stop lying.

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Reply #23 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 12:30pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 11:53am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 10:57am:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/crazxy-carnal_004.jpg

45.9% of income earners pay 3.7% of tax
and then whinge because 'their' services are being cut and the 'rich' are getting a few miserly tax rebates?

They whinge about wealth fare, they whinge about private schools and then whinge about private health insurance rebates? They whinge about CO2 emissions and Hospital beds, and level crossings and paramedics etc etc etc til the cows come home....

How dare the Govt that us 45.9% of income earners that only pay 3.7% of the cost for spend the 96.3% of other people's taxes on anything but them? Grin

They call the so-called rich selfish? Roll Eyes

well said but they will never understand it.

This BS has been significantly debunked. It is rubbish.

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Re: Put GST On Private Health Insurance Not Fresh Food
Reply #24 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 12:33pm

Bam wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 12:23pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 9:15am:

It doesn't seem to matter how often we explain things to you people, you just don't get it do you.

To the extent that you disincentivise private education and private health insurance, to that extent you put extra burdens on the public systems.

The modelling says otherwise.
Quote:

Abolishing the private health insurance rebate could save the budget $3 billion a year, dwarfing the savings that would be generated by introducing a $6 fee for GP visits, according to a think tank.

Quote:

The 30 per cent private health insurance rebate was introduced in 1999. Its annual cost has risen faster than any other component of government health spending, from $1.4 billion in 1999-2000 to $5.5 billion in 2012-13.

A Grattan Institute analysis predicts removing the rebate would increase demand for public hospital services by between $1.5 billion and $3.8 billion a year, but suggests the increase would be at the lower end of the range because the Medicare Levy Surcharge (paid by middle and high-income earners who do not have private cover) and the Lifetime Cover policy (a penalty on those who first take out private cover after the age of 30) would provide incentives for people to keep their insurance.

The institute settles on an estimate of $2.5 billion in extra public hospital costs, projecting that scrapping the rebate would produce a net saving of $3 billion.

but if you remove the rebate you would also be ethically required to remove the other part of that policy which was the lifetime cover requirement. That would make the savings smaller.

and as someone who teaches modelling in an area of science that is far more precise than this, taking modelling as gospel is dangerous. REmember all the treasury models of the last ten years that missed by truly astronomical margins?

Your wish to remove the rebate is purely ideological - not financial. With families already paying $4000 a year in private health after the rebate do you think cash-strapped families will continue to do so when you ad another $1500pa to it?

Private health - like private education - SAVES the govt money and has been well understood for a long time. There are bigger savings to be made right across govt expenditure before cutting your own fiscal throat like this.

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Reply #25 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 12:34pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 9:22am:

Bam wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 9:18am:

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Drawing on work by the National Centre for Social and Economic Modelling (NATSEM), the paper shows the government would raise an extra $1.5 billion a year from a GST on private health insurance and $790 million from private schools.

A similar amount can be saved by trimming the fat of the private health insurance rebate from 30% to 20%.

Just disolve medicare and all rebates and get everyone to pay their own way in life. See how you ochlocratic socialists like that one.

I see you like inflicting needless pain and suffering on millions of people just so you can steal a few more dollars for yourself out of the public purse.

You're one of those conservatives who are obsessed with the price of everything and have no concept of value.

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Reply #26 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 12:41pm

Bam wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 12:30pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 10:57am:

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45.9% of income earners pay 3.7% of tax
and then whinge because 'their' services are being cut and the 'rich' are getting a few miserly tax rebates?

Why do you insist on posting lies?

As usual you ignore all indirect taxes, and keep wilfully misrepresenting "income tax" as being the same as "all tax" when you know full well that isn't the case, not by a long shot.

Stop lying.

Lying?

the figures quoted are the ATO's data from actual tax returns.

Feel free to tabulate your indirect tax data to try and back up your lame rebutal 'argument' if you can.

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Reply #27 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 12:44pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 12:30pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 11:53am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 10:57am:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/crazxy-carnal_004.jpg

45.9% of income earners pay 3.7% of tax
and then whinge because 'their' services are being cut and the 'rich' are getting a few miserly tax rebates?

They whinge about wealth fare, they whinge about private schools and then whinge about private health insurance rebates? They whinge about CO2 emissions and Hospital beds, and level crossings and paramedics etc etc etc til the cows come home....

How dare the Govt that us 45.9% of income earners that only pay 3.7% of the cost for spend the 96.3% of other people's taxes on anything but them? Grin

They call the so-called rich selfish? Roll Eyes

well said but they will never understand it.

This BS has been significantly debunked. It is rubbish.

hmm I am interested in how you think ATO/ABS figures on ACTUAL TAX RECEIPTS can even be debunked?

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Reply #28 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 12:48pm

Bam wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 12:34pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 9:22am:

Bam wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 9:18am:

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Drawing on work by the National Centre for Social and Economic Modelling (NATSEM), the paper shows the government would raise an extra $1.5 billion a year from a GST on private health insurance and $790 million from private schools.

A similar amount can be saved by trimming the fat of the private health insurance rebate from 30% to 20%.

Just disolve medicare and all rebates and get everyone to pay their own way in life. See how you ochlocratic socialists like that one.

I see you like inflicting needless pain and suffering on millions of people just so you can steal a few more dollars for yourself out of the public purse.

You're one of those conservatives who are obsessed with the price of everything and have no concept of value.

I not inflicting needless pain and suffering on anyone as I'm just making a point.

You're the advocate for legalised armed robbery and slavery (AKA - progressive taxation).... Cheesy

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Reply #29 - Jan 8^th, 2015 at 12:55pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 12:26pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 9:11am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 8:01am:

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Put the GST on private health insurance and private schools, not fresh food

that'll never happen with a liberal govt. ... they only want taxes that OTHER people pay

That's complete rot. It's Leftists that want to live out of everyone else's pocket.

The GST should be levied on everything then there'd be no arguments.

then why don't you propose gst on private health and education? rot my arse

I just did Smithy...........and you'd better see the Quack about your arse rot Grin

....I certainly can't help you there Cheesy

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