John Smith wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 1:30pm:


It's been shown plenty of times Smithy.

If just one privately insured individual is treated in a private hospital (or indeed a public hospital in certain circumstances) it is saving the Government money by providing a service that the Government would otherwise had to pay for, AND it also provides an extra public hospital bed for public use.

As far as private schooling goes the concept is very similar. 

Private schools educate about 35% of children with 22c in the Govt education dollar.

In 2012

Govt (States & Fed) spent $36.5B to educate 2.3M public school kids or $15.869K per head.

Govt (State & Fed) spent $10.2B to educate 1.2M non-Govt school kids or $8.5K per head.

$46.7B in total

Savings to Govt should it have had to pay to educate the Non-Govt school children is $7.4K per head

$7.4K x 1.2M non-govt schoolkids = $8.8 Billion Dollars

Sourced

Govt saved $8.8 Billion dollars in 2011-12 due to the existence of Private schools.

your source is the private school industry. It'sd not like their likely to be biased is it? I've never seen anything from anyone other than the private schools themselves that show that funding private schools saves the govt. money.

If you pulled all funding, sure a lot of those kids will end up in the public system, but not all ... it is the difference that needs to be looked at. The rich will always pay for private schools, no matter what they cost. You think Packer will send his kids to school with the common folk?

John Smith wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 2:20pm:



and this will always be your argument on anything you don't like.  just deny the figures, claim bias, close your eyes and ignore it.

bottom line figures as provide by the education dept itself along with ABS and a few others show that the govts of all levels combined contribute 30% LESS per private student than public.  It is a saving of around $10Bpa to the govt.

not the word bolded - COMBINED.  if you go to the education union they will happily tell you that the feds contribute vastly more to private ed than public schools.  what they very conveniently forget is that public schools are overwhelmingly funded by state govts which get their money from the feds and that private schools are only funded federally.  Amazing what creative stats can do.


okay loser smithy, disprove the above.  Bet ya cant. or that you will even try.

John Smith wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 2:20pm:


Yes not all I agree, but even if just one non-Govt school kid transferred to a public school it would cost the public system an extra $7.4K based upon those numbers anyway.

Your ideological argument is that private health and private schools do not save the Govt "any" money.

Again as with Bam's ideological indirect tax argument....feel free to provide your own sourced rebutal data to back up your claim?

Swagman wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 2:37pm:


thats my whole point ...I've never seen any other data on this other than that provided by private schools, despite this topic coming up almost every other month. Surely if it were independenty verified someone would have found it by now?

Your claim about one school costing 7.4k ... how can you make that claim without knowing the number of students in the school? Some schools have 2000 students, others have 200 . These figures sound very convenient to me.

Dnarever wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:


so saying 16% of people pay 63% of income tax is wrong???  it is a very simple interpretation.  In fact, it isn't even an interpretation at all it is simple reading off a table.

Life_goes_on wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 3:33pm:


cheers.

Life_goes_on wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 3:33pm:


What about 1.2 million kids?  Do you think public education costs would increase somewhat?   

The argument is that private schooling saves the Govt money?