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Reply #135 - Jan 10th, 2015 at 6:51am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 12:34am:
Desperate times require extraordinary measures.

This is only the start - it will get worse.

We need to hang anyone involved in terrorism.


Why not shoot or euthanize them ?


Do they need to be guilty first ?

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Reply #136 - Jan 10th, 2015 at 6:52am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 6:31am:
Karnal wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 12:55am:
Dang, boys, only free and fair trial a man gets in Karnal.City is when the judge wakes up at the end and says, hang ’em by their necks until they’s dead.



No - they would get a fair trial - a fair appeal - & then get hanged.



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Re: France terror attack is justified by Islam
Reply #137 - Jan 10th, 2015 at 6:54am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 6:52am:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 6:31am:
Karnal wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 12:55am:
Dang, boys, only free and fair trial a man gets in Karnal.City is when the judge wakes up at the end and says, hang ’em by their necks until they’s dead.



No - they would get a fair trial - a fair appeal - & then get hanged.



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Re: France terror attack is justified by Islam
Reply #138 - Jan 10th, 2015 at 6:55am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 6:51am:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 12:34am:
Desperate times require extraordinary measures.

This is only the start - it will get worse.

We need to hang anyone involved in terrorism.


Why not shoot or euthanize them ?


Do they need to be guilty first ?




euthanize them ?

Maybe - just like a dog with rabies.
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Re: France terror attack is justified by Islam
Reply #139 - Jan 10th, 2015 at 7:08am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 12:32am:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 12:28am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 12:27am:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 12:24am:
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Muslim activists must be rounded up -

detention without trial.


So much for their civil liberties.  BTW, Bobby, how well did detention without trial work out for the British in Northern Ireland again?   Roll Eyes


It worked well.


Did it?  Most observers belief it intensified and prolonged "the troubles", Bobby.

Do you believe destroying the very principles that our society is founded on will do it any good?    Roll Eyes



maybe you would be better to ask the people who built the wall that divides Belfast...
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Reply #140 - Jan 10th, 2015 at 10:14am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 12:07am:
I think the problem was that the magazine (it wasn't a newspaper) failed to take the threat of Islamist extremists seriously enough, not that they didn't take Islam and Mohammed sufficiently seriously.   They obviously thought they were invulnerable and paid the price unfortunately.  Complacency and arrogance was their problem.  Rather like yours is, Soren.    Roll Eyes



SO answer is for the French to bow to the will of Muslim fanatics in Paris?

You are despicable and spineless.


Martin Amis said almost 10 years ago : "What can we do to raise the price of them doing this? There's a definite urge - don't you have it? - to say the Muslim community will have to suffer until it gets its house in order. What sort of suffering? Not letting them travel. Deportation - further down the road. Curtailing of freedoms. Strip-searching people who look like they're from the Middle East or from Pakistan ... Discriminatory stuff, until it hurts the whole community and they start getting tough with their children..."


And that's just what Spengler said today on PJ media.

France now faces an existential dilemma. By most independent estimates France now has a Muslim population of 6 million, or almost 10% of its 65 million people. If we assume that just 1% of this population are radicalized to the point of engaging in or providing support for terrorist activities, that is a pool of 60,000 individuals. We are not speaking of 60,000 potential bombers or shooters, but a support network that will allow a much smaller number of terrorists to blend into the broader population. In the “no-go” zones of France now effectively ruled by Muslim gangs, moreover, the terrorists can intimidate the Muslim population. France already has lost the capacity to police part of its territory, which means that it cannot conduct effective counter-terror operations.

To put that number in context, the whole prison population of France is less than 70,000, of whom 60% are Muslims. It only takes a few dozen trained terrorists with an effective support network to bring ordinary life to a stop in a major city. France has had the toughest enforcement policy against radical Islam among the major European nations, as Daniel Pipes observes. But French security clearly has been overwhelmed. The use of assault rifles and (reportedly) a rocket launcher by highly-skilled gunmen in the center of Paris is a statement of contempt towards the authorities on the part of the terrorists.

The means by which France could defeat the terrorists are obvious:
To compel the majority of French Muslims to turn against the terrorists, the French authorities would have to make them fear the French state more than they fear the terrorists.
That is a nasty business involving large numbers of deportations, revocation of French citizenship, and other threats that inevitably would affect many individuals with no direct connection to terrorism. In the short term it would lead to more radicalization. The whole project of integration as an antidote to radicalism would go down the drain. The effort would be costly, but ultimately it would succeed: most French Muslims simply want to stay in France and earn a living.

There is no good outcome here, but the worst outcome would be the degeneration of France into a hostage state.


The same goes for the rest of the West.
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Reply #141 - Jan 10th, 2015 at 10:36am
 
The degeneration of France into a hostage state is a tad hyperbolic, old boy.

I’d be curious to know how many French Muslims are with Charlie on this.

I actually agree that the cartoons should be published everywhere, not in solidarity, but to debate the issue.

I think Muslims should be critical of the shibboleths in their religion, just as Christians should be. I think Muslims should embrace satire and use it to discuss the issues.

Banning it - unless it vilifies,or promotes violence - is not an option in our culture. We do believe in liberty, equality and fraternity. Everyone who lives with us values this in one way or another.
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Re: France terror attack is justified by Islam
Reply #142 - Jan 10th, 2015 at 2:22pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 12:07am:
Soren wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 12:03am:
Karnal wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 11:07pm:
Charlie staff were issued death threats, and told, old boy style, to FO. 



F V ck orf PB. I have never firebombed anything.  So f Vck orf with the old bov style equivalence crap. The time is over for this, Paki arse hole.


Using your reasoning, you are just as responsible as those who throw the firebombs at Mosques, Soren.  Why are you denying it?   Roll Eyes





You would not recognise reason if it was up you, Brain.

Charlie Hebdo was shot up and 12 people were massacred expressly on behalf of Mohammed, Allah and Islam.  They openly self-Identify with Islam.


Those who firebombed a mosque identified - with what?  Making me responsible - for what?







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Reply #143 - Jan 10th, 2015 at 2:33pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 10:36am:
The degeneration of France into a hostage state is a tad hyperbolic, old boy.

I’d be curious to know how many French Muslims are with Charlie on this.

I actually agree that the cartoons should be published everywhere, not in solidarity, but to debate the issue.

I think Muslims should be critical of the shibboleths in their religion, just as Christians should be. I think Muslims should embrace satire and use it to discuss the issues.

Banning it - unless it vilifies,or promotes violence - is not an option in our culture. We do believe in liberty, equality and fraternity. Everyone who lives with us values this in one way or another.



The catch is that you cannot simultaneously submit to Islam and embrace French laïcité: liberty, equality, fraternity. 

The Charlie Hebdo murders had zero to do with the Middle East, Israel, racism, economic disadvantage and all the rest of the Marxist claptrap that is deployed in excusing Muslim behaviour in the West. This was purely for Islamic, religious reasons. The same as the Rushdie fatwah, the killing of Theo van Gogh, the Danish cartoon riots, etc, ad sickening infinitum.


Asking Muslims to be critical of Islam is asking them to be critical of Muhammed and the Koran. You are asking them the impossible.





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Reply #144 - Jan 10th, 2015 at 6:15pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 10:05pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 10:48am:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 9th, 2015 at 5:19am:
Karnal wrote on Jan 8th, 2015 at 10:53pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 8th, 2015 at 9:16pm:
stryder wrote on Jan 8th, 2015 at 9:10pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 8th, 2015 at 9:00pm:
Greg is gay.



Doesnt matter Bobby, peccarbrain is unlikeable to the extreme with me.



Would you trust him in a communal shower?


Do you use communal showers, Bobbie?

Ooooh.



About 15 years ago I used a communal shower at a swimming pool facility
& I noticed that a bloke was looking at me.
I got out of there fast.

I've never been back there.
It was creepy.


You have led a very sheltered life, haven't you Bobby?   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin



Imagine if that happened to you.   Shocked


Never played collective sport, have you, Bobby?  Never been a member of any form of youth organisation, have you, Bobby?  Never been in the Defence Forces, have you, Bobby?   Men shower collectively all the time.  What do you think they look at while they're showering?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #145 - Jan 10th, 2015 at 6:33pm
 
Soren wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 10:14am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 12:07am:
I think the problem was that the magazine (it wasn't a newspaper) failed to take the threat of Islamist extremists seriously enough, not that they didn't take Islam and Mohammed sufficiently seriously.   They obviously thought they were invulnerable and paid the price unfortunately.  Complacency and arrogance was their problem.  Rather like yours is, Soren.    Roll Eyes



SO answer is for the French to bow to the will of Muslim fanatics in Paris?


I am unsure how you arrived at that conclusion from what I type, Soren.  I can only assume that your antipathy towards me has prevented you from thinking rationally about what I typed.

If you had thought rationally about it, instead of in your usual knee-jerk reactionary way, I'd have though that my point alludes to the question - if this magazine had been the subject once before of a Terrorist attack (in 2011 IIRC) and been sent numerous death threats, why hadn't they taken simply precautions to prevent Terrorists who were (a) dressed like your stereotypical Terrorists with Balaclavas over their heads and (b) openly carrying AK-47s and a Shotgun, able to enter the premises?   Why weren't there any precautions in place to check the identity of visitors, before they entered?  Why weren't there several levels of pretty basic security such as an entry vestibule with security cameras and remotely opened doors?  Why wasn't access from the reception area securely locked and could only be unlocked with the necessary authorisation(s)?   

This is simple physical security 101 stuff.  Most offices that I've worked in have had it for over 2 decades and we haven't been subject to Terrorist threats or attacks!

They were complacent and arrogant.  They obviously thought, "This can't happen to us," and, "We don't need to take precautions to prevent this happening to us," Soren.

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You are despicable and spineless.


No, you're just an apologist for Islamophobia and bigotry, Soren.  Like these poor people who were let down by their managers who failed to provide a safe working environment to protect them from the wrath of these violent Terrorist perpetrators, you're arrogant.   Apart from the Terrorists who pulled the triggers, the management of this magazine are to blame for what happened.  If you deliberately set out to offend, you must be prepared for and cannot expect there will be no consequences.  Only a fool would believe after 2011 that the continual publication of deliberately and I'd suggest often unnecessarily offensive material would not have repercussions.   Roll Eyes

Charlie Hebdo was doing the equivalent of running into a crowded theatre and shouting, "Fire! Fire!" just to see what would happen and taking great delight when people get trampled to death in the rush to escape.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #146 - Jan 10th, 2015 at 6:43pm
 
Soren wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 2:33pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 10:36am:
The degeneration of France into a hostage state is a tad hyperbolic, old boy.

I’d be curious to know how many French Muslims are with Charlie on this.

I actually agree that the cartoons should be published everywhere, not in solidarity, but to debate the issue.

I think Muslims should be critical of the shibboleths in their religion, just as Christians should be. I think Muslims should embrace satire and use it to discuss the issues.

Banning it - unless it vilifies,or promotes violence - is not an option in our culture. We do believe in liberty, equality and fraternity. Everyone who lives with us values this in one way or another.



The catch is that you cannot simultaneously submit to Islam and embrace French laïcité: liberty, equality, fraternity. 

The Charlie Hebdo murders had zero to do with the Middle East, Israel, racism, economic disadvantage and all the rest of the Marxist claptrap that is deployed in excusing Muslim behaviour in the West. This was purely for Islamic, religious reasons. The same as the Rushdie fatwah, the killing of Theo van Gogh, the Danish cartoon riots, etc, ad sickening infinitum.



Bloody oath. But we all have to submit to the law or face the consequences.

Sorry if you find this offensive, old boy. Civilization has its discontents, after all.
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Reply #147 - Jan 10th, 2015 at 7:00pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 6:33pm:
Soren wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 10:14am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 12:07am:
I think the problem was that the magazine (it wasn't a newspaper) failed to take the threat of Islamist extremists seriously enough, not that they didn't take Islam and Mohammed sufficiently seriously.   They obviously thought they were invulnerable and paid the price unfortunately.  Complacency and arrogance was their problem.  Rather like yours is, Soren.    Roll Eyes



SO answer is for the French to bow to the will of Muslim fanatics in Paris?


I am unsure how you arrived at that conclusion from what I type, Soren.  I can only assume that your antipathy towards me has prevented you from thinking rationally about what I typed.

If you had thought rationally about it, instead of in your usual knee-jerk reactionary way, I'd have though that my point alludes to the question - if this magazine had been the subject once before of a Terrorist attack (in 2011 IIRC) and been sent numerous death threats, why hadn't they taken simply precautions to prevent Terrorists who were (a) dressed like your stereotypical Terrorists with Balaclavas over their heads and (b) openly carrying AK-47s and a Shotgun, able to enter the premises?   Why weren't there any precautions in place to check the identity of visitors, before they entered?  Why weren't there several levels of pretty basic security such as an entry vestibule with security cameras and remotely opened doors?  Why wasn't access from the reception area securely locked and could only be unlocked with the necessary authorisation(s)?   

This is simple physical security 101 stuff.  Most offices that I've worked in have had it for over 2 decades and we haven't been subject to Terrorist threats or attacks!

They were complacent and arrogant.  They obviously thought, "This can't happen to us," and, "We don't need to take precautions to prevent this happening to us," Soren.

Quote:
You are despicable and spineless.


No, you're just an apologist for Islamophobia and bigotry, Soren.  Like these poor people who were let down by their managers who failed to provide a safe working environment to protect them from the wrath of these violent Terrorist perpetrators, you're arrogant.   Apart from the Terrorists who pulled the triggers, the management of this magazine are to blame for what happened.  If you deliberately set out to offend, you must be prepared for and cannot expect there will be no consequences.  Only a fool would believe after 2011 that the continual publication of deliberately and I'd suggest often unnecessarily offensive material would not have repercussions.   Roll Eyes

Charlie Hebdo was doing the equivalent of running into a crowded theatre and shouting, "Fire! Fire!" just to see what would happen and taking great delight when people get trampled to death in the rush to escape.   Roll Eyes


Hang on, are you saying a satirical magazine should not publish cartoons about religion?

What else? Politics? Sex?

What else constitutes shouting "fire"?
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Reply #148 - Jan 10th, 2015 at 8:03pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 6:43pm:
Soren wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 2:33pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 10th, 2015 at 10:36am:
The degeneration of France into a hostage state is a tad hyperbolic, old boy.

I’d be curious to know how many French Muslims are with Charlie on this.

I actually agree that the cartoons should be published everywhere, not in solidarity, but to debate the issue.

I think Muslims should be critical of the shibboleths in their religion, just as Christians should be. I think Muslims should embrace satire and use it to discuss the issues.

Banning it - unless it vilifies,or promotes violence - is not an option in our culture. We do believe in liberty, equality and fraternity. Everyone who lives with us values this in one way or another.



The catch is that you cannot simultaneously submit to Islam and embrace French laïcité: liberty, equality, fraternity. 

The Charlie Hebdo murders had zero to do with the Middle East, Israel, racism, economic disadvantage and all the rest of the Marxist claptrap that is deployed in excusing Muslim behaviour in the West. This was purely for Islamic, religious reasons. The same as the Rushdie fatwah, the killing of Theo van Gogh, the Danish cartoon riots, etc, ad sickening infinitum.



Bloody oath. But we all have to submit to the law or face the consequences.

Sorry if you find this offensive, old boy. Civilization has its discontents, after all.

And that's why there is a push for the recognition of sharia law - so one day there may be a CHOICE of what law to submit to.

But you know this already, yet you pretend.

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