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Reply #180 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 5:52pm

freediver wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 5:32pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 5:28pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 5:26pm:

Islamophobia always has been and always will be about race. Always, absolutely, never ever. That's why cartoons should be illegal if they offend Muslims or contain racial markers like clothes. Gandalf has proof that the majority of Australians agree with him on this. As a Muslim, he has a sound understanding of concepts like freedom of speech.

George Brandis says holocaust denial is racial vilification. Fancy that.

It must be nice when politicians absolve you of the need to think for yourself.

I do think for myself - and I believe he is wrong. Just as I believe most Australians are wrong for thinking there should be a law stopping people from being offended.

But it does nonetheless destroy your fairy tales about I and most other muslims being out of step with mainstream Australia on the freedom issue.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #181 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 5:54pm

Soren wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 5:32pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 5:28pm:

Karnal you seem to be missing the most obvious point - they are not depicting arabs, they are depicting muslims.

And what's wrong with taking the piss outa Muslims? What is privileged about following Mohammed? Or about Mohammed hilself.

Why not ridicule THAT particular belief?

Please do Soren, I welcome it. In fact I stated in another thread that I believe it should be open slather on the issue of ridiculing and mocking religions.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49075 At my desk.	Re: France terror attack is justified by Islam Reply #182 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 6:47pm ...so long as no men of middle eastern appearance are involved, eh Gandalf?
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Reply #183 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 7:28pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 5:04pm:

In.our society, freedom of speech is a rule. It has some limits, and we negotiate them. We don’t kill those who do things that are against the laws of our religion.

If we did, it would be a clash of civilisations.

A few of these clashes going on around the world

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Reply #184 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 7:32pm

Julius Abbott wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 1:09pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 8^th, 2015 at 11:13am:

Muhammad had Asma bint Marwan killed because she wrote poetry mocking Islam...

Great scholars of Islam have looked at this story and have said that it is not an authentic - with many going as far as to say that the story was completely fabricated.

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...classical and post-classical hadith scholars such as Al-Albani, Majdi, and Al-Jawzi have rejected the story, with some declaring it as fabrication, pointing out in their arguments that the chains of transmission by which the story was transmitted are all weak.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/'Asma'_bint_Marwan

Weak and fabricated hadeeth are not accepted by Muslims as evidence of how Muslims should behave.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_studies#The_sanad_and_the_matn

An analogy would be the books that the Catholic church or Protestant churches or even Jewish rabbis reject as apocrypha..

Sirat rasul allah by Ibn Ishaq covers Asma, that was the first biography of $Profit Mo.

Lots more, try google for Muhammad's dead poet society and see what you get you should find a whole list of them.

I don't know why you bother posting Christian stuff it's irrelevant and I have no religion.

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Reply #186 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 8:53pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 5:04pm:

In.our society, freedom of speech is a rule.

Actually, in our society - Australia, UK, France, Denmark, Sweden, Austria, Holland - the suppression of free speech is the rule.

Political correctness IS the rule.

If you don't believe me, go to work tomorrow and say in front of your colleagues and boss that Islamic fundamentalism must be stopped because it is a cancer on Western societies and freedoms.

I dare you.

All completely unobjectionable but you will not say it if you work for a public institution like a school, government department, statutory authority, media organisation or the like.

To compare the Paris murderers to cancer is culturally insensitive and disrespectful.

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Reply #187 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:02pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 8:33pm:

Serious question for both Soren and FD - can you conceive of any situation where attacking muslims amounts to racism?

No.

Believing in Islam - being a Muslim - is not a racial trait. There are - a dwindling number, thanks to Muslims, of - Arab Christians.

Gandy, Can you conceive of any situation where attacking Christians amounts to racism?

Your problem is that you do realise, un-selfconsciously, that Islam is an Arab ideology. Christianity, on the other hand, calls you out of your nation INTO Christianity - regardless of your previous national or racial affinity.

Following Mohammed is silly. I can't believe you fall for it.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137820 Gender:	Re: France terror attack is justified by Islam Reply #188 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:04pm Soren wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:02pm: Following Mohammed is silly. I can't believe you fall for it. Absolutely. Couldn't agree more. As is following Jesus. You agree?
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Re: France terror attack is justified by Islam
Reply #189 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:04pm

Soren wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 8:53pm:

If you don't believe me, go to work tomorrow and say in front of your colleagues and boss that Islamic fundamentalism must be stopped because it is a cancer on Western societies and freedoms.

What rubbish - I hear that literally all the time.

I have never heard of anyone being afraid to condemn islamic fundamentalism - as distinct from mainstream moderate muslims.

And still the bounds of accceptable public discourse go even further than that. After every terrorist attack there is a wave of right wing publications and pronouncements on talkback radio about how the islamic "extremists" are actually the mainstream etc. That there is usually a backlash against these ravings is what you mistake for "suppression of free speech". It is not suppression - it is free speech going both ways - people are free to condemn people for being bigoted just as the bigots are free to express their bigotry.

You really must have your head in the sand Soren if you trully believe Australians are gagged from speaking out against islamic extremism - or even islam.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: France terror attack is justified by Islam
Reply #190 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:09pm

Soren wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:02pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 8:33pm:

Serious question for both Soren and FD - can you conceive of any situation where attacking muslims amounts to racism?

No.

Believing in Islam - being a Muslim - is not a racial trait. There are - a dwindling number, thanks to Muslims, of - Arab Christians.

Gandy, Can you conceive of any situation where attacking Christians amounts to racism?

Your problem is that you do realise, un-selfconsciously, that Islam is an Arab ideology. Christianity, on the other hand, calls you out of your nation INTO Christianity - regardless of your previous national or racial affinity.

Following Mohammed is silly. I can't believe you fall for it.

You completely avoided the actual question Soren. Here it is again:

can you conceive of any situation where attacking muslims amounts to racism? Your mistake is in assuming that racism must follow your rational logic. It won't because racism is inherently illogical and irrational.

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Gandy, Can you conceive of any situation where attacking Christians amounts to racism?

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I'm sure it can. If we are talking about say a divided community where the christians are represented by a distinct race/ethnicity. Say the copts in Egypt? No doubt the copts are attacked along racial lines - would you agree?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #191 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:16pm

Soren wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:02pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 8:33pm:

Serious question for both Soren and FD - can you conceive of any situation where attacking muslims amounts to racism?

No.

Believing in Islam - being a Muslim - is not a racial trait. There are - a dwindling number, thanks to Muslims, of - Arab Christians.

Gandy, Can you conceive of any situation where attacking Christians amounts to racism?

Your problem is that you do realise, un-selfconsciously, that Islam is an Arab ideology. Christianity, on the other hand, calls you out of your nation INTO Christianity - regardless of your previous national or racial affinity.

Following Mohammed is silly. I can't believe you fall for it.

many blessings

as you are a self confessed freemason

why did you swear your oaths

and fall for a satanic system

of domination and control ?

im interested with forgiveness

namaste

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Reply #192 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:20pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:04pm:

After every terrorist attack

Islamic terrorist attack.

Why are there so many Islamic terrorist attack in Western countries?

Please explain.

Why can't your people fit in? Why can't YOU make your people fit in? What is it about YOUR Islamic brothers that makes them commit terrorism almost daily in the West. Don't your co-religionists like life in the West? If not, why don't they simply ..... off?

What are YOU telling them?

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Reply #193 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:23pm

it_is_the_light wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:16pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:02pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 8:33pm:

Serious question for both Soren and FD - can you conceive of any situation where attacking muslims amounts to racism?

No.

Believing in Islam - being a Muslim - is not a racial trait. There are - a dwindling number, thanks to Muslims, of - Arab Christians.

Gandy, Can you conceive of any situation where attacking Christians amounts to racism?

Your problem is that you do realise, un-selfconsciously, that Islam is an Arab ideology. Christianity, on the other hand, calls you out of your nation INTO Christianity - regardless of your previous national or racial affinity.

Following Mohammed is silly. I can't believe you fall for it.

many blessings

as you are a self confessed freemason

why did you swear your oaths

and fall for a satanic system

of domination and control ?

im interested with forgiveness

namaste

If I said f Vck off lunatic, would you take it personally? I am not saying it, I am just asking what if.

Please lemme know.

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Reply #194 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:34pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 5:28pm:

Karnal you seem to be missing the most obvious point - they are not depicting arabs, they are depicting muslims.

I thought that they were depicting Muhammed.

If I was illustrating a Muslim, I’d be depicting an.Arab. It’s how it goes.

Sure, I could go with a Turk in a Fez or an Indonesian in a loud batik.shirt, but the hook-nosed Arab tells it like it is.

It’s not racist, it’s real. If I wanted to depict an Australian, it would be a sunburnt hayseed in a hat with corks.

Sorry to.be racialist, but I wouldn’t be depicting a cheese-snorting Kraut. Would you?

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