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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: France terror attack is justified by Islam Reply #240 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:25am Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 10:30pm: Where am I "standing up for Islam", FD? I'm standing up for Muslims. FD has a bit of difficulty understanding the difference.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49071 At my desk.	Re: France terror attack is justified by Islam Reply #241 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:39am They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:14am: For you and so many here, Islam is a completely static ideology with exactly one interpretation
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stryder Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4545 Gender:	Re: France terror attack is justified by Islam Reply #242 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:55am polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:25am: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 10:30pm: Where am I "standing up for Islam", FD? I'm standing up for Muslims. FD has a bit of difficulty understanding the difference. Oh its gandalf again splitting hairs again with words,
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Re: France terror attack is justified by Islam
Reply #243 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:30am

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 10:03pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 9:40pm:

Brain, every day you prove yourself thicker than expected.
I say that I am not sympathetic to any versions of Islam - and in your and Junior Brain's brain it registers as 'he said Islam is monolithic'.
I have to give it to you, pal, you have the power to be stupid in novel and innovative ways.

If I had said, 'I am not sympathetic towards insects, Greek gods or idiots - does that render the great variety of insects, Greek gods and idiots 'monolithic'?

Explain, Brain, explain.

Soren, stop being obtuse, it doesn't become you.

By your unwillingness to differentiate between any and all Muslims you are effectively treating them as if they were a monolithic group. It would be just as if you claimed all Christians were the same and held exactly the same beliefs. Are Lutheran beliefs the same as Catholics' or Eastern Orthodoxs' or Coptics' or Nestorians', Soren? Roll Eyes

You insist on being thick, Brain. It is just what we have come to expect from you.

I am unsympathetic to any and all beliefs that start with Mohammed and the Koran and I do not care how different they all consider themselves to be from each other. If the shared belief in Mohammed and the Koran makes them monolithic in your pea brain, then that's your pea brain.

I am also unsympathetic to all beliefs and ideologies that start with Karl Marx and Lenin, even though Stalinism and Troskyism, stemming from the same roots, are murderous enemies. Ditto for ideologies that cluster around the various interpretations of Mein Kamf.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95886 Gender:	Re: France terror attack is justified by Islam Reply #244 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:33am But you are sympathetic to a decent cheese, old boy, you have to admit that.
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Re: France terror attack is justified by Islam
Reply #245 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:37am

stryder wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 8:55am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:25am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 10:30pm:

Where am I "standing up for Islam", FD? I'm standing up for Muslims.

FD has a bit of difficulty understanding the difference.

Oh its gandalf again splitting hairs again with words, Grin

You can stand for Christianity but be against Hitler -

who was a Christian Catholic - saying he was performing God's work on earth.

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Reply #246 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:17pm

Soren wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:30am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 10:03pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 9:40pm:

Brain, every day you prove yourself thicker than expected.
I say that I am not sympathetic to any versions of Islam - and in your and Junior Brain's brain it registers as 'he said Islam is monolithic'.
I have to give it to you, pal, you have the power to be stupid in novel and innovative ways.

If I had said, 'I am not sympathetic towards insects, Greek gods or idiots - does that render the great variety of insects, Greek gods and idiots 'monolithic'?

Explain, Brain, explain.

Soren, stop being obtuse, it doesn't become you.

By your unwillingness to differentiate between any and all Muslims you are effectively treating them as if they were a monolithic group. It would be just as if you claimed all Christians were the same and held exactly the same beliefs. Are Lutheran beliefs the same as Catholics' or Eastern Orthodoxs' or Coptics' or Nestorians', Soren? Roll Eyes

You insist on being thick, Brain. It is just what we have come to expect from you.

I am unsympathetic to any and all beliefs that start with Mohammed and the Koran and I do not care how different they all consider themselves to be from each other. If the shared belief in Mohammed and the Koran makes them monolithic in your pea brain, then that's your pea brain.

I am also unsympathetic to all beliefs and ideologies that start with Karl Marx and Lenin, even though Stalinism and Troskyism, stemming from the same roots, are murderous enemies. Ditto for ideologies that cluster around the various interpretations of Mein Kamf.

Aha, so you think Nazism and Marxism are exactly the same?

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Re: France terror attack is justified by Islam
Reply #247 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:33pm

Soren wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 8:56pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 6:30pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 6:18pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 2:24pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 11:49am:

Which Islamic Caliphate are we discussing?

IS has proclaimed itself the Caliphate.

So has Boko Haram.

Will the real Caliph please stand up? Grin

Every Muslim is a caliphate unto himself.

So, explain then Soren how there is IS and Boko Haram declaring they are the Caliphates and every Muslim declaring themselves a Caliphate?

My understanding is that Sunni Islam appoints (or rather self-appoints) a Caliph. Sh'ia Islam claims that a Caliph must be a direct descendent from the Prophet.

I'm genuinely interested at discrepancy between the different Caliphate which appears to contradict your view that Islam is monolithic. Grin

Monolithic - that is your line and you peddle it relentlessly even if no-one else has ever said that. I have never argued that Islam is monolithic; that I have is entirely your invention.

That I am not sympathetic to any of its versions and strands is not the same as viewing it as a monolith. But you have always been too thick to comprehend such a simple thing.

Soren you treat Islam and Muslims as if they were monolithic. For you, if one Muslim says one thing, then all Muslims must believe it. If you believe Islam says something, then all Muslims believe it.

The Christian Bible contains the Old Testament and the New. Christians here, such as Moses, claim that the Old Testament has been discarded, yet it is still an integral part of the Bible. Yadda likes to quote from it. Sprint acts as if he believes it. Using your logic, which Christian should we believe? The one who discards half the Bible or the one who quotes from that part of the Bible or the one who seems to propose acting on those beliefs? Afterall, your logic would treat them as all monolithic! Grin

See highlighted clause above.

Geddit?

So, you're confirming your bigotry and Islamophobia Soren?

Well done. Now, we just need for you start working towards changing this and becoming part of the 21st instead of the 13th century. Grin

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: France terror attack is justified by Islam Reply #248 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:34pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:25am: Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 10:30pm: Where am I "standing up for Islam", FD? I'm standing up for Muslims. FD has a bit of difficulty understanding the difference. He doesn't appear to be alone in having this problem...
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Re: France terror attack is justified by Islam
Reply #249 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:42pm

|dev|null wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:33pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 8:56pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 6:30pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 6:18pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 2:24pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 11:49am:

Which Islamic Caliphate are we discussing?

IS has proclaimed itself the Caliphate.

So has Boko Haram.

Will the real Caliph please stand up? Grin

Every Muslim is a caliphate unto himself.

So, explain then Soren how there is IS and Boko Haram declaring they are the Caliphates and every Muslim declaring themselves a Caliphate?

My understanding is that Sunni Islam appoints (or rather self-appoints) a Caliph. Sh'ia Islam claims that a Caliph must be a direct descendent from the Prophet.

I'm genuinely interested at discrepancy between the different Caliphate which appears to contradict your view that Islam is monolithic. Grin

Monolithic - that is your line and you peddle it relentlessly even if no-one else has ever said that. I have never argued that Islam is monolithic; that I have is entirely your invention.

That I am not sympathetic to any of its versions and strands is not the same as viewing it as a monolith. But you have always been too thick to comprehend such a simple thing.

Soren you treat Islam and Muslims as if they were monolithic. For you, if one Muslim says one thing, then all Muslims must believe it. If you believe Islam says something, then all Muslims believe it.

The Christian Bible contains the Old Testament and the New. Christians here, such as Moses, claim that the Old Testament has been discarded, yet it is still an integral part of the Bible. Yadda likes to quote from it. Sprint acts as if he believes it. Using your logic, which Christian should we believe? The one who discards half the Bible or the one who quotes from that part of the Bible or the one who seems to propose acting on those beliefs? Afterall, your logic would treat them as all monolithic! Grin

See highlighted clause above.

Geddit?

So, you're confirming your bigotry and Islamophobia Soren?

Well done. Now, we just need for you start working towards changing this and becoming part of the 21st instead of the 13th century. Grin

Ah, so now we HAVE to like Islam.

Good one Little Brain.

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Reply #250 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:44pm

freediver wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:17pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:30am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 10:03pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 9:40pm:

Brain, every day you prove yourself thicker than expected.
I say that I am not sympathetic to any versions of Islam - and in your and Junior Brain's brain it registers as 'he said Islam is monolithic'.
I have to give it to you, pal, you have the power to be stupid in novel and innovative ways.

If I had said, 'I am not sympathetic towards insects, Greek gods or idiots - does that render the great variety of insects, Greek gods and idiots 'monolithic'?

Explain, Brain, explain.

Soren, stop being obtuse, it doesn't become you.

By your unwillingness to differentiate between any and all Muslims you are effectively treating them as if they were a monolithic group. It would be just as if you claimed all Christians were the same and held exactly the same beliefs. Are Lutheran beliefs the same as Catholics' or Eastern Orthodoxs' or Coptics' or Nestorians', Soren? Roll Eyes

You insist on being thick, Brain. It is just what we have come to expect from you.

I am unsympathetic to any and all beliefs that start with Mohammed and the Koran and I do not care how different they all consider themselves to be from each other. If the shared belief in Mohammed and the Koran makes them monolithic in your pea brain, then that's your pea brain.

I am also unsympathetic to all beliefs and ideologies that start with Karl Marx and Lenin, even though Stalinism and Troskyism, stemming from the same roots, are murderous enemies. Ditto for ideologies that cluster around the various interpretations of Mein Kamf.

Aha, so you think Nazism and Marxism are exactly the same?

They must be, don't they. If one doesn't like them it means they are monolithic.

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Re: France terror attack is justified by Islam
Reply #251 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:51pm

Soren wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:42pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:33pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 8:56pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 6:30pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 6:18pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 2:24pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 11:49am:

Which Islamic Caliphate are we discussing?

IS has proclaimed itself the Caliphate.

So has Boko Haram.

Will the real Caliph please stand up? Grin

Every Muslim is a caliphate unto himself.

So, explain then Soren how there is IS and Boko Haram declaring they are the Caliphates and every Muslim declaring themselves a Caliphate?

My understanding is that Sunni Islam appoints (or rather self-appoints) a Caliph. Sh'ia Islam claims that a Caliph must be a direct descendent from the Prophet.

I'm genuinely interested at discrepancy between the different Caliphate which appears to contradict your view that Islam is monolithic. Grin

Monolithic - that is your line and you peddle it relentlessly even if no-one else has ever said that. I have never argued that Islam is monolithic; that I have is entirely your invention.

That I am not sympathetic to any of its versions and strands is not the same as viewing it as a monolith. But you have always been too thick to comprehend such a simple thing.

Soren you treat Islam and Muslims as if they were monolithic. For you, if one Muslim says one thing, then all Muslims must believe it. If you believe Islam says something, then all Muslims believe it.

The Christian Bible contains the Old Testament and the New. Christians here, such as Moses, claim that the Old Testament has been discarded, yet it is still an integral part of the Bible. Yadda likes to quote from it. Sprint acts as if he believes it. Using your logic, which Christian should we believe? The one who discards half the Bible or the one who quotes from that part of the Bible or the one who seems to propose acting on those beliefs? Afterall, your logic would treat them as all monolithic! Grin

See highlighted clause above.

Geddit?

So, you're confirming your bigotry and Islamophobia Soren?

Well done. Now, we just need for you start working towards changing this and becoming part of the 21st instead of the 13th century. Grin

Ah, so now we HAVE to like Islam.

Good one Little Brain.

Post three, old boy: the soft bigotry of low expectations.

You haven’t done this one for a while.

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Reply #252 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:54pm

Soren wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:44pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:17pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:30am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 10:03pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 9:40pm:

Brain, every day you prove yourself thicker than expected.
I say that I am not sympathetic to any versions of Islam - and in your and Junior Brain's brain it registers as 'he said Islam is monolithic'.
I have to give it to you, pal, you have the power to be stupid in novel and innovative ways.

If I had said, 'I am not sympathetic towards insects, Greek gods or idiots - does that render the great variety of insects, Greek gods and idiots 'monolithic'?

Explain, Brain, explain.

Soren, stop being obtuse, it doesn't become you.

By your unwillingness to differentiate between any and all Muslims you are effectively treating them as if they were a monolithic group. It would be just as if you claimed all Christians were the same and held exactly the same beliefs. Are Lutheran beliefs the same as Catholics' or Eastern Orthodoxs' or Coptics' or Nestorians', Soren? Roll Eyes

You insist on being thick, Brain. It is just what we have come to expect from you.

I am unsympathetic to any and all beliefs that start with Mohammed and the Koran and I do not care how different they all consider themselves to be from each other. If the shared belief in Mohammed and the Koran makes them monolithic in your pea brain, then that's your pea brain.

I am also unsympathetic to all beliefs and ideologies that start with Karl Marx and Lenin, even though Stalinism and Troskyism, stemming from the same roots, are murderous enemies. Ditto for ideologies that cluster around the various interpretations of Mein Kamf.

Aha, so you think Nazism and Marxism are exactly the same?

They must be, don't they. If one doesn't like them it means they are monolithic.

Whoops. That’s no one has the right to not be offended.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95886 Gender:	Re: France terror attack is justified by Islam Reply #253 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:57pm There’s one more: always, absolutely, never ever. That’s the next one.
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Re: France terror attack is justified by Islam
Reply #254 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:15pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 7:54pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:44pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:17pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:30am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 10:03pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 9:40pm:

Brain, every day you prove yourself thicker than expected.
I say that I am not sympathetic to any versions of Islam - and in your and Junior Brain's brain it registers as 'he said Islam is monolithic'.
I have to give it to you, pal, you have the power to be stupid in novel and innovative ways.

If I had said, 'I am not sympathetic towards insects, Greek gods or idiots - does that render the great variety of insects, Greek gods and idiots 'monolithic'?

Explain, Brain, explain.

Soren, stop being obtuse, it doesn't become you.

By your unwillingness to differentiate between any and all Muslims you are effectively treating them as if they were a monolithic group. It would be just as if you claimed all Christians were the same and held exactly the same beliefs. Are Lutheran beliefs the same as Catholics' or Eastern Orthodoxs' or Coptics' or Nestorians', Soren? Roll Eyes

You insist on being thick, Brain. It is just what we have come to expect from you.

I am unsympathetic to any and all beliefs that start with Mohammed and the Koran and I do not care how different they all consider themselves to be from each other. If the shared belief in Mohammed and the Koran makes them monolithic in your pea brain, then that's your pea brain.

I am also unsympathetic to all beliefs and ideologies that start with Karl Marx and Lenin, even though Stalinism and Troskyism, stemming from the same roots, are murderous enemies. Ditto for ideologies that cluster around the various interpretations of Mein Kamf.

Aha, so you think Nazism and Marxism are exactly the same?

They must be, don't they. If one doesn't like them it means they are monolithic.

Whoops. That’s no one has the right to not be offended.

Thank you, Martini, you always pass the ball to people only you can see.

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