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Rocketanski Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1335 Gender:	Re: Post a Charli cartoon here... competition Reply #30 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 4:03pm Funny, there wasn't a mention of the genocide of Christians by the Ottomans. Revisionist history always depends on how far you are willing to go back.
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Black Orchid Gold Member Offline Posts: 5813 Gender:	Re: Post a Charli cartoon here... competition Reply #31 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 4:04pm cods wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 3:29pm: stop poking the tiger........he has made it loud and clear he doesnt like it.. and will kill if you dont stop Given your stance on bullies, and how frequently you speak out about it, your attitude towards terrorists is quite surprising.
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Reply #32 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 4:21pm

Dmitry K. wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 3:42pm:

In addition,

The French word terrorisme in turn derives from the Latin verb terreō meaning "I frighten".

That means "tiger poking" does not feed terrorism. Your fear is the thing terrorists like and use over and over again.

why would not drawing a picture prove you are frightened?

its a fact.... some folks do not take kindly to being ridiculed.....and to do under the guise of freedom of speech...is not doing freedom of speech justice at all..

you are afraid it will make you look afraid if you say stop drawing the cartoons...

I say it shows respect for the other person....

and you tell me whats wrong with showing respect??.

to myway of thinking there isnt enough respect in this world.

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Reply #33 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 4:24pm

Black Orchid wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 4:04pm:

cods wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 3:29pm:

stop poking the tiger........he has made it loud and clear he doesnt like it.. and will kill if you dont stop

Given your stance on bullies, and how frequently you speak out about it, your attitude towards terrorists is quite surprising.

WHAT ATTITUDES THAT... BO..

what attitude have I show terrorists????>..

are you saying only terrorists are BULLIES.... think thats a bit of a stretch.... but I would appreciate your reasoning for the comparison..

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Reply #34 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 4:31pm

cods wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 3:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 3:05pm:

cods wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 2:46pm:

ian wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 1:38pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 12:40pm:

Do you suggest that if anyone is so extreme they will murder to get their way, we should give whatever they want to them ?

that's how I interpret your suggestion.

What were they asking for?

thats the thing.. the cartoons said NOTHING it wasnt news it wasnt even funny...

they were asked to stop because they were threatened if they didnt....

but they kept poking the tiger.... I am sorry but to me I can only say well they got really what they asked for....maybe even begged for..

spring thinks if they are Muslim then they have no right to expect anyone to do or stop anything...

and I disagree I do not think a cartoon is worth someones life...

Just give in to the terrorists, hey?

Let those crazy bastards dictate what you can and can't do.

Freedom? Undecided

typical of what FEAR does to us.. the good side....

you honestly think a cartoon was worth almost 20 lives dont you?????....

I find that pathetic to be honest...

its called respect....

I notice you didnt mention my question to sprint regarding some poking fun every night about his family......

how would you feel greg?... if night after night you had to hear laughter all at you expense...mostly lies and even cruel??>.. would you turn the other cheek??

all I am saying is... stop drawing the cartoons if you are dealing with MADMEN....

it isnt something thats got RIGHT OR WRONG>>or that means they are winning.. and we are losing....

stop poking the tiger........he has made it loud and clear he doesnt like it.. and will kill if you dont stop

I've always thought cartoonists pushed the envelope a bit sometimes but what is the alternative: say nothing about the elephants and still pretend we are participating in something called democracy?

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Reply #35 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 4:37pm

cods wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 4:24pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 4:04pm:

cods wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 3:29pm:

stop poking the tiger........he has made it loud and clear he doesnt like it.. and will kill if you dont stop

Given your stance on bullies, and how frequently you speak out about it, your attitude towards terrorists is quite surprising.

WHAT ATTITUDES THAT... BO..

what attitude have I show terrorists????>..

are you saying only terrorists are BULLIES.... think thats a bit of a stretch.... but I would appreciate your reasoning for the comparison..

I said no such thing so please don't misrepresent what I actually said.

You don't consider terrorists to be bullies apparently. I consider those who make demands on others and then threaten consequences on those that do not comply to be bullies.

A bully is a bully and only the degree varies. How do you differentiate?

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Reply #36 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 4:53pm

Black Orchid wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 4:37pm:

cods wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 4:24pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 4:04pm:

cods wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 3:29pm:

stop poking the tiger........he has made it loud and clear he doesnt like it.. and will kill if you dont stop

Given your stance on bullies, and how frequently you speak out about it, your attitude towards terrorists is quite surprising.

WHAT ATTITUDES THAT... BO..

what attitude have I show terrorists????>..

are you saying only terrorists are BULLIES.... think thats a bit of a stretch.... but I would appreciate your reasoning for the comparison..

I said no such thing so please don't misrepresent what I actually said.

You don't consider terrorists to be bullies apparently. I consider those who make demands on others and then threaten consequences on those that do not comply to be bullies.

A bully is a bully and only the degree varies. How do you differentiate?

cods didn't. She asked you a question, and like most questions put to you, you duck them.

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Reply #37 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 4:57pm

Black Orchid wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 4:37pm:

are you saying only terrorists are BULLIES.... think thats a bit of a stretch.... but I would appreciate your reasoning for the comparison..

I said no such thing so please don't misrepresent what I actually said.

You don't consider terrorists to be bullies apparently. I consider those who make demands on others and then threaten consequences on those that do not comply to be bullies.

A bully is a bully and only the degree varies. How do you differentiate?

ok ok calm down....

these are DEADLY BULLIES... I have already said they are MADMEN FANATICS>>>>would you torment a tiger with a thorn in his foot... would you??..

that is not my version of a BULLY especially an internet bully..

if this business had only had rude nasty emails or tweets or facebook I would say YES IGNORE THE BUGGERS...

but how do you ignore DEATH THREATS??

is it really a good idea to IGNORE DEATH THREATS...

now they are more than BULLIES...I am sorry but they are...

the degree varies by a HUGE AMOUNT death is death there is no going back...

to compare a cyberspace bully with a terrorist is bizarre...

if I thought i was putting my family in any danger just drawing a cartoon...but was given the chance to not draw that cartoon.. I know what I would do....

yes I may be afraid.. for my family if I didnt.. and yes I would be annoyed.. probably.... but I would get over that and my family would b e safe....

why is it so hard to respect someone elses feelings.??

people do get upset about pictures... does anyone remember the Piss Christ?... I thought it rather beautiful actually

[urlhttp://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/18/andres-serrano-piss-christ-destroyed-christian-protesters][/url]

but a lot didnt.. and they got their way it was removed never to be seen again..

then there was a modern art in Canberra where the Queen and Prince Phillip were naked sitting on a park bench...it was vandalised overnight...

never to be seen again..

this is what I mean about respect.......we each do things differently most dont KILL people but some do...

and they think they have ev ery right to kill when people mock Roll Eyes

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Reply #39 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 5:03pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 4:53pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 4:37pm:

cods wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 4:24pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 4:04pm:

cods wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 3:29pm:

stop poking the tiger........he has made it loud and clear he doesnt like it.. and will kill if you dont stop

Given your stance on bullies, and how frequently you speak out about it, your attitude towards terrorists is quite surprising.

WHAT ATTITUDES THAT... BO..

what attitude have I show terrorists????>..

are you saying only terrorists are BULLIES.... think thats a bit of a stretch.... but I would appreciate your reasoning for the comparison..

I said no such thing so please don't misrepresent what I actually said.

You don't consider terrorists to be bullies apparently. I consider those who make demands on others and then threaten consequences on those that do not comply to be bullies.

A bully is a bully and only the degree varies. How do you differentiate?

cods didn't. She asked you a question, and like most questions put to you, you duck them.

its an interesting topic dont you think aussie

I have a completely different attitude to what has happened.... and yet instead of thinking about what I am saying some twist it to mean something else...

I do not see any comparison between terrorism and cyber bullying.. but obviously BO does..

I just wish she would explain how...

I think it is very important to hear everyones point of view.....now they are having a march through Paris..as if they have won a war....we all know..

if ISIL was celebrating like that we would be horrified...

either way it doesnt bring those dead people back does it???...

this like a lot of things could have been avoided...

no one as far as I know has mentioned that.

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Post a Charli cartoon here... competition Reply #40 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 5:04pm Aussie wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 4:59pm: The link cods tried to post. Link. did I mess it up... thanks aussie...do you remember the CHristian uprising over that??????......I thought it was great.. I am mad I know..
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Reply #41 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 5:09pm

cods wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 5:04pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 4:59pm:

The link cods tried to post.

Link.

did I mess it up... thanks aussie...do you remember the CHristian uprising over that??????......I thought it was great.. I am mad I know..

No, I don't.

I agree with your basic point which seems to be.......why go out of your way to ridicule someone? Is it meant as a joke? Or.....is it meant as a condemnation. It most certainly is a deliberate ridicule no matter which way you look at it.

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Reply #42 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 5:10pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 4:31pm:

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I've always thought cartoonists pushed the envelope a bit sometimes but what is the alternative: say nothing about the elephants and still pretend we are participating in something called democracy?

there are lots of things which cant be published legally in western countries, i dont know where you people get the absurd idea that western countries have freedom of speech. We dont, its just the things which arent allowed to be published differ. This is not about freedom of speech, its about whether you think it is right to be deliberatley offensive to another religion for no other reason than you can. Im fairly sure I can live my life without the need to publically draw caricatures of Mohammed. What about you?

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Reply #43 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 5:12pm

cods wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 4:57pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 4:37pm:

are you saying only terrorists are BULLIES.... think thats a bit of a stretch.... but I would appreciate your reasoning for the comparison..

I said no such thing so please don't misrepresent what I actually said.

You don't consider terrorists to be bullies apparently. I consider those who make demands on others and then threaten consequences on those that do not comply to be bullies.

A bully is a bully and only the degree varies. How do you differentiate?

ok ok calm down....

these are DEADLY BULLIES... I have already said they are MADMEN FANATICS>>>>would you torment a tiger with a thorn in his foot... would you??..

that is not my version of a BULLY especially an internet bully..

if this business had only had rude nasty emails or tweets or facebook I would say YES IGNORE THE BUGGERS...

but how do you ignore DEATH THREATS??

is it really a good idea to IGNORE DEATH THREATS...

now they are more than BULLIES...I am sorry but they are...

the degree varies by a HUGE AMOUNT death is death there is no going back...

to compare a cyberspace bully with a terrorist is bizarre...

if I thought i was putting my family in any danger just drawing a cartoon...but was given the chance to not draw that cartoon.. I know what I would do....

yes I may be afraid.. for my family if I didnt.. and yes I would be annoyed.. probably.... but I would get over that and my family would b e safe....

why is it so hard to respect someone elses feelings.??

people do get upset about pictures... does anyone remember the Piss Christ?... I thought it rather beautiful actually

[urlhttp://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/18/andres-serrano-piss-christ-destroyed-christian-protesters][/url]

but a lot didnt.. and they got their way it was removed never to be seen again..

then there was a modern art in Canberra where the Queen and Prince Phillip were naked sitting on a park bench...it was vandalised overnight...

never to be seen again..

this is what I mean about respect.......we each do things differently most dont KILL people but some do...

and they think they have ev ery right to kill when people mock Roll Eyes

I am perfectly calm thanks Cods. If I wasn't I MIGHT TYPE LIKE THIS

So are you saying that the majority of Muslims are offended by caricatures or just the fanatics?

Let's just say it's the fanatics then. Do you think if we bow and scrape to fanatics that it will appease them and they will stop the killing? I don't believe it will.

Actually, AP only took down the Piss Christ image 4 days ago after being accused of double standards by censoring the Charlie Hebdo cartoons but not the Piss Christ.

I can see you are afraid of death threats and terrorists but ignoring them and appeasing them is not going to solve the problem. It is not going to go away by ignoring it.

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Reply #44 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 5:14pm

ian wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 5:10pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 4:31pm:

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I've always thought cartoonists pushed the envelope a bit sometimes but what is the alternative: say nothing about the elephants and still pretend we are participating in something called democracy?

there are lots of things which cant be published legally in western countries, i dont know where you people get the absurd idea that western countries have freedom of speech. We dont, its just the things which arent allowed to be published differ. This is not about freedom of speech, its about whether you think it is right to be deliberatley offensive to another religion for no other reason than you can. Im fairly sure I can live my life without the need to publically draw caricatures of Mohammed. What about you?

No worries here.

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