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Re: how we can best stop it happening in the future
Reply #90 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 11:41pm

Soren wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 11:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 11:21pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 10:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:26pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 11:14am:

Muslims denied Islamic terror has anything to do with Islam for nearly a decade, is Qadri calling all those muslims in denial liars when he released his fatwa outlawing terror which muslims claimed was unislamic?

They don't Baron - according to you. Remember? Don't you remember how every second post of yours is mocking muslims for doing exactly what you deny they are doing now? 'terror and violence and oppression - *IS* islamic' you constantly keep reminding us - 'according to some fvckwit sheikh in Saudi Arabia - who has a monopoly on Islamic authority' - you never tire of rabbiting on about.

Stop being a bore get your stories straight. Don't mock muslims for issuing 600 page fawas against terrorism and claiming islam has nothing to do with terror - but then in the very next breath mock them for being all about terror - and throwing their weight behind extremists like islamqa guy.

But who exactly is bound by that 600 page fatwah?

Nobody.

Certainly not the Australian Muslims who have nuffin to do wiv nuffin.

Who is bound by a Papal Bull, Soren? Roll Eyes

Catholics, dickhead. Who did you think? Jeesus, you are dim.

Very good, Soren, very good indeed. So, then who is bound by a Fatwa? Roll Eyes

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: how we can best stop it happening in the future Reply #91 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 11:45pm You tell me, silly.
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Re: how we can best stop it happening in the future
Reply #92 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 11:59pm

Soren wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 11:45pm:

You tell me, silly.

Lets take this slowly again, shall we?

If Catholics are bound by Papal Bulls, who do you think would be bound by an Islamic Fatwa, Soren?

Baby steps. I'm sure you'll be able to work it out, if we take it slowly. You can, if you wish, think out loud and use your fingers. Roll Eyes

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Re: how we can best stop it happening in the future
Reply #93 - Jan 26^th, 2015 at 12:24am

Soren wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 11:23pm:

Ah, the victimhood! Delicious.

The only victim here is your own idiotic 'never ever' routine.

You start off with the 'nuffin wiv nuffin' cockamamie , then one by one you have to deal with the 'not-quite-nuffin-wiv-nuffin' - such as the 600 page fatwa. So its nuffin wiv nuffin - because muslims are ignoring the problem. Then when they demonstrate they are *NOT* ignoring the problem, they somehow get the same treatment:

- ridicule muslims for not doing anything
- ridicule muslims for doing something

Like I said, muslims are guilty regardless. You're starting to sound like Yadda - simply churning out any range of activities by muslims - good, bad, indifferent to draw exactly the same conclusions.

I'm starting to understand why Karnal ridicules you so with your 'never ever' routine.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: how we can best stop it happening in the future
Reply #94 - Jan 26^th, 2015 at 12:10pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 11:59pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 11:45pm:

You tell me, silly.

Lets take this slowly again, shall we?

If Catholics are bound by Papal Bulls, who do you think would be bound by an Islamic Fatwa, Soren?

Baby steps. I'm sure you'll be able to work it out, if we take it slowly. You can, if you wish, think out loud and use your fingers. Roll Eyes

Lemme see- who would be bound by an Islamic fatwah? People who believe in Islam? You know, Muslims?

Or is it again the Catholics only? You tell me, Brain, Islamic fatwahs are rulings for - Islamic people?
Or is that too wild a guess?
Ah, but there are no 'Islamic people', you say. Nothing binds Muslims, they share nuffin. Certainly not Islam, of which there are millions and millions of completely unrelated versions. The Ummah and sharia and the shared belief in Mohammed's excellence and prophetship and the Koran's eternal truth are just in-jokes to throw the infidels into a qandary.

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Re: how we can best stop it happening in the future
Reply #95 - Jan 26^th, 2015 at 12:13pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 12:24am:

Soren wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 11:23pm:

Ah, the victimhood! Delicious.

The only victim here is your own idiotic 'never ever' routine.

You start off with the 'nuffin wiv nuffin' cockamamie , then one by one you have to deal with the 'not-quite-nuffin-wiv-nuffin' - such as the 600 page fatwa. So its nuffin wiv nuffin - because muslims are ignoring the problem. Then when they demonstrate they are *NOT* ignoring the problem, they somehow get the same treatment:

- ridicule muslims for not doing anything
- ridicule muslims for doing something

Like I said, muslims are guilty regardless. You're starting to sound like Yadda - simply churning out any range of activities by muslims - good, bad, indifferent to draw exactly the same conclusions.

I'm starting to understand why Karnal ridicules you so with your 'never ever' routine.

What are Muslims doing? They either say they have nothing to do with people who shoot up newspapers in the name of Islam or condemn the newspaper for mocking Mohammed and rally across the globe against the newspaper - not the Muslim killers.

And you want recognition for that?

No #Illderidewithyou in sight.

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Re: how we can best stop it happening in the future
Reply #96 - Jan 26^th, 2015 at 12:40pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 4:38pm:

Of course it can be stopped

- but it requires a little maturity and responsibility by society. Stop the lies and unnecessary fear-mongering would be a good start. And stop bloody well apologising for them - acknowledge and denounce it wherever it pops up as completely counter-productive.

Stop vilifying and smearing muslims who have done nothing wrong and accept that they are not the enemy. Stop pretending they are alien and incompatible with our values, but are really just ordinary people who are every bit as outraged and fearful of terrorists as everyone else.

Resist the emotive quick-fix solutions - accept that islam is here to stay, that we can't simply deport all muslims and raze all their mosques.

gandalf,

Are you the alter-ego of Sheik Hilali by any chance ??? Grin

Yadda says......

"Of course it can be stopped"
, we Australians merely have to accommodate everything that the moslem community in Australia want.

Yadda says......

"Of course it can be stopped"
, we Australians merely have to appease the moslem community, in their every demand.

Then.............

..............moslems and non-moslems in Australia, would experience living in a peaceful, and blissful existence together.

'.....Just like in muslim countries.'

Honest!!!

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sheikyermami.com, satirising the shameless deceit of the moslem.....

IMAGE....

'.....Just like in muslim countries.'

image source....
http://sheikyermami.com/

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #97 - Jan 26^th, 2015 at 1:16pm

Adamant wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

Gandalfs comment on stopping the killing of innocents by muslims.

So how can WE?

How ?

First and foremost, if we want to prevent these atrocities, we must be prepared to address the CAUSE [the 'inspiration', for these atrocities].

And not simply, to always seek to respond to an EFFECT [i.e. 'respond' to each new, individual atrocity].

And we must all, individually, be prepared to - HONESTLY - acknowledge what the cause and the motivation is, which inspires the 'righteous' killing, of their victims, by moslems.

I wish that everyone in Australia could watch this short YouTube.

Perhaps it would open some eyes, to what the cause of the problem of 'extremist' violence really is....

Paris Shooting: What They're Not Telling You

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9J-JgmNtN4&bpctr=1421509769

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: how we can best stop it happening in the future
Reply #98 - Jan 26^th, 2015 at 3:29pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 4:38pm:

Of course it can be stopped - but it requires a little maturity and responsibility by society. Stop the lies and unnecessary fear-mongering would be a good start. And stop bloody well apologising for them - acknowledge and denounce it wherever it pops up as completely counter-productive.

Stop vilifying and smearing muslims who have done nothing wrong and accept that they are not the enemy. Stop pretending they are alien and incompatible with our values, but are really just ordinary people who are every bit as outraged and fearful of terrorists as everyone else.

Resist the emotive quick-fix solutions - accept that islam is here to stay, that we can't simply deport all muslims and raze all their mosques.

How will that stop the Kauchi brothers, the London beheaders, the Canadian attackers, the Bali bombers, ISIL:, Taleban etc?

How exactly - please explain

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Re: how we can best stop it happening in the future
Reply #99 - Jan 26^th, 2015 at 7:01pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 11:59pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 11:45pm:

You tell me, silly.

Lets take this slowly again, shall we?

If Catholics are bound by Papal Bulls, who do you think would be bound by an Islamic Fatwa, Soren?

Baby steps. I'm sure you'll be able to work it out, if we take it slowly. You can, if you wish, think out loud and use your fingers. Roll Eyes

Why wont you answer a question? ( Because you are an illiterate muslim shi ite,)

Why is it that you are allowed use ad hominem ad infinitum without being accused of same? (Because you are a puerile individual that has no other meaning in life but to cause animosity between all!)

You are a loner Brian, a very dangerous person Brian, and a very sick one!

Goodbye brian. sick dangerous loner puerile person.

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In real life Gandalf is known as Mr 10%

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Re: how we can best stop it happening in the future
Reply #101 - Jan 26^th, 2015 at 11:32pm

Soren wrote on Jan 26^th, 2015 at 12:10pm:

Lemme see- who would be bound by an Islamic fatwah? People who believe in Islam? You know, Muslims?

You sure about that? a fatwah is an interpretation of Islamic law and can be given by anyone. There is nothing to believe that a fatwah is binding on any Muslim at all except if that person wishes it so.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: how we can best stop it happening in the future Reply #102 - Jan 27^th, 2015 at 12:33am If terrorist-aligned "scholars" of islam issued a 600 page fatwa in support of terrorism, I'm guessing Soren wouldn't be demanding to know how it will change the minds of the vast majority of non-terrorist muslims.
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Reply #103 - Jan 27^th, 2015 at 10:22am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 27^th, 2015 at 12:33am:

If terrorist-aligned "scholars" of islam issued a 600 page fatwa in support of terrorism, I'm guessing Soren wouldn't be demanding to know how it will change the minds of the vast majority of non-terrorist muslims.

Fatwah schmatwah.

This is what makes Islam and Muslims very suspect - anything can be said be anyone, anything can be denied by anyone, it's all shifting sands of Araby stuff, to coin a phrase.

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Reply #104 - Jan 27^th, 2015 at 11:44am

Soren wrote on Jan 27^th, 2015 at 10:22am:

Fatwah schmatwah.

This is what makes Islam and Muslims very suspect - anything can be said be anyone, anything can be denied by anyone, it's all shifting sands of Araby stuff, to coin a phrase.

Yep.

ISLAM - 'anything can be said be anyone, anything can be denied by anyone,'

'plausible deniability'

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In ISLAM accountability, in the light of day [for wrongdoing or atrocities, committed by 'the moslem', in the name of ISLAM], is a nebulous concept. Roll Eyes

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ISLAMIC LAW teaches - EVERY MOSLEM - that murdering those who are not moslems [i.e. those who reject ISLAM], is a lawful act.

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of [i.e. for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking of the London 7/7 bombing;

YT

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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