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Adamant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1892 Brisbane	how we can best stop it happening in the future Jan 10^th, 2015 at 4:08pm Gandalfs comment on stopping the killing of innocents by muslims. So how can WE?
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Reply #1 - Jan 10^th, 2015 at 4:17pm

You can't. I suppose now it's about limiting the death through good law enforcement. Stop bringing Muslims to our countries and stop giving them ammunition by fighting stupid wars in Muslim lands. That will help too. Deport the terrorists and their supporters which will scare some of the potential ones. It won't be stopped.

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Reply #2 - Jan 10^th, 2015 at 4:38pm

Of course it can be stopped - but it requires a little maturity and responsibility by society. Stop the lies and unnecessary fear-mongering would be a good start. And stop bloody well apologising for them - acknowledge and denounce it wherever it pops up as completely counter-productive.

Stop vilifying and smearing muslims who have done nothing wrong and accept that they are not the enemy. Stop pretending they are alien and incompatible with our values, but are really just ordinary people who are every bit as outraged and fearful of terrorists as everyone else.

Resist the emotive quick-fix solutions - accept that islam is here to stay, that we can't simply deport all muslims and raze all their mosques.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #3 - Jan 10^th, 2015 at 4:41pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 4:38pm:

Of course it can be stopped - but it requires a little maturity and responsibility by society. Stop the lies and unnecessary fear-mongering would be a good start. And stop bloody well apologising for them - acknowledge and denounce it wherever it pops up as completely counter-productive.

Stop vilifying and smearing muslims who have done nothing wrong and accept that they are not the enemy. Stop pretending they are alien and incompatible with our values, but are really just ordinary people who are every bit as outraged and fearful of terrorists as everyone else.

Resist the emotive quick-fix solutions - accept that islam is here to stay, that we can't simply deport all muslims and raze all their mosques.

If Australian people start dying in numbers you don't expect there to be no revenge?

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Reply #4 - Jan 10^th, 2015 at 4:51pm

We need to decide on a safe proportionate amount of muslims in the country and rigidly conform to that figure.That is the only way Australia can avoid what is happening in Europe.
If we can do that until Europe comes to its senses and prohibits anymore immigration of muslims then we might have a chance. As soon as Europe changes their laws then, as sure as Allah made little green apples, Australia will follow sheep suit.

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Reply #5 - Jan 10^th, 2015 at 4:54pm

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 4:41pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 4:38pm:

Of course it can be stopped - but it requires a little maturity and responsibility by society. Stop the lies and unnecessary fear-mongering would be a good start. And stop bloody well apologising for them - acknowledge and denounce it wherever it pops up as completely counter-productive.

Stop vilifying and smearing muslims who have done nothing wrong and accept that they are not the enemy. Stop pretending they are alien and incompatible with our values, but are really just ordinary people who are every bit as outraged and fearful of terrorists as everyone else.

Resist the emotive quick-fix solutions - accept that islam is here to stay, that we can't simply deport all muslims and raze all their mosques.

If Australian people start dying in numbers you don't expect there to be no revenge?

Of course not, but the question was about how it can be stopped.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74677 Gender:	Re: how we can best stop it happening in the future Reply #6 - Jan 10^th, 2015 at 4:57pm You can't , the world has always had and will always have lunatics who try to force their views by using violence.
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Reply #7 - Jan 10^th, 2015 at 5:23pm

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 4:41pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 4:38pm:

Of course it can be stopped - but it requires a little maturity and responsibility by society. Stop the lies and unnecessary fear-mongering would be a good start. And stop bloody well apologising for them - acknowledge and denounce it wherever it pops up as completely counter-productive.

Stop vilifying and smearing muslims who have done nothing wrong and accept that they are not the enemy. Stop pretending they are alien and incompatible with our values, but are really just ordinary people who are every bit as outraged and fearful of terrorists as everyone else.

Resist the emotive quick-fix solutions - accept that islam is here to stay, that we can't simply deport all muslims and raze all their mosques.

If Australian people start dying in numbers you don't expect there to be no revenge?

Against Terrorists or against innocent Muslims?

If it is the former, I don't have a problem with it. If it is the latter, I would be deeply ashamed and be willing to shelter Muslims from the wrath of my pig ignorant fellow Australians seeking to carry it out.

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Reply #8 - Jan 10^th, 2015 at 5:27pm

It is not muslims I am worried about, as I am sure the majority are good people.It is this "islamisation of the world" agenda that is pushing these terrorists and, where once it was well camouflaged, it is now out in the open in all it's ugly glory.
It is that that needs to be stopped and the only way you are going to do that, if we really must have a multicultural society, is by limiting the proportion of muslims.I'm afraid now with the birth of the internet and social media, then islamic terrorism is here to stay. It is no coincidence the two have risen together.
On the homefront we have to ban,deport or jail the hate preachers.It is so essential that we try to limit these foolish notions of Isis or "world domination" to perhaps one generation of youth.

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Reply #9 - Jan 10^th, 2015 at 5:47pm

brumbie wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 5:27pm:

It is not muslims I am worried about, as I am sure the majority are good people.It is this "islamisation of the world" agenda that is pushing these terrorists and, where once it was well camouflaged, it is now out in the open in all it's ugly glory.
It is that that needs to be stopped and the only way you are going to do that, if we really must have a multicultural society, is by limiting the proportion of muslims.I'm afraid now with the birth of the internet and social media, then islamic terrorism is here to stay. It is no coincidence the two have risen together.
On the homefront we have to ban,deport or jail the hate preachers.It is so essential that we try to limit these foolish notions of Isis or "world domination" to perhaps one generation of youth.

Why do you think the "hate preachers" have arisen, Brumbie?

You don't think it's anything to do with what Western governments might have been doing in Muslim countries such as Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Palestine, to name but four? Roll Eyes

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Reply #10 - Jan 10^th, 2015 at 5:57pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 5:47pm:

brumbie wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 5:27pm:

It is not muslims I am worried about, as I am sure the majority are good people.It is this "islamisation of the world" agenda that is pushing these terrorists and, where once it was well camouflaged, it is now out in the open in all it's ugly glory.
It is that that needs to be stopped and the only way you are going to do that, if we really must have a multicultural society, is by limiting the proportion of muslims.I'm afraid now with the birth of the internet and social media, then islamic terrorism is here to stay. It is no coincidence the two have risen together.
On the homefront we have to ban,deport or jail the hate preachers.It is so essential that we try to limit these foolish notions of Isis or "world domination" to perhaps one generation of youth.

Why do you think the "hate preachers" have arisen, Brumbie?

You don't think it's anything to do with what Western governments might have been doing in Muslim countries such as Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Palestine, to name but four? Roll Eyes

No I most certainly do not Brian,that is grossly naive.

Please spare me the rhetorical questions.

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Reply #11 - Jan 10^th, 2015 at 6:10pm

brumbie wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 5:57pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 5:47pm:

brumbie wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 5:27pm:

It is not muslims I am worried about, as I am sure the majority are good people.It is this "islamisation of the world" agenda that is pushing these terrorists and, where once it was well camouflaged, it is now out in the open in all it's ugly glory.
It is that that needs to be stopped and the only way you are going to do that, if we really must have a multicultural society, is by limiting the proportion of muslims.I'm afraid now with the birth of the internet and social media, then islamic terrorism is here to stay. It is no coincidence the two have risen together.
On the homefront we have to ban,deport or jail the hate preachers.It is so essential that we try to limit these foolish notions of Isis or "world domination" to perhaps one generation of youth.

Why do you think the "hate preachers" have arisen, Brumbie?

You don't think it's anything to do with what Western governments might have been doing in Muslim countries such as Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Palestine, to name but four? Roll Eyes

No I most certainly do not Brian,that is grossly naive.

Please spare me the rhetorical questions.

So, why do you think the "hate preachers" have suddenly arisen in such numbers in the last 20-30 years, if it not the actions of the West in Muslim lands in that period?

I'm genuinely interested. Afterall, before the mid-1970s, radical Islam was virtually non-existent, even in Muslim societies around the world. The Muslim world was far more interested in modernisation - adapting and adopting Western ideals and concepts. Yet, after 1975, approximately, we have the arise of radical Islam, first with the overthrow of the Shah and then the fighting back against the Soviets in Afghanistan. It is almost as if there was a switch thrown and radical Islam appears on the West's radar.

So, what caused it, Brumbie, in your opinion?

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Reply #12 - Jan 10^th, 2015 at 6:16pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 6:10pm:

I'm genuinely interested.

No you're not Brian, you are just looking for an argument..You have your opinions and I have mine
It is completely off topic.

I expressed my opinion to the OP. If you have a considered opinion as to "how we can best stop it happening in the future" then this is your chance.

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Reply #13 - Jan 10^th, 2015 at 6:21pm

Explain what Islam is. The facts.

Too many people think that it is just another religion. They regurgitate what they hear about how it is the "religion of peace" and believe the liars that claim that the Quran teaches that killing is so unbelievably awful that no true Muslim would take a life. All BS. Islam isn't just a religion; It is a political philosophy that sees its end goal as world domination. It is the "religion of peace" because it aims to one day make every person submit to Islam. Once Islam takes over the world there will be peace, but until that day it is open season on anyone standing in its way. That's what makes it different to other religions. That's what people including "moderate Muslims" (Muslims who mostly have no idea what Islam is about) need to understand. This is not just religion. Christians can give to "Caesar what is Caesars" and get on with life. Islam needs to cut off Caesars head so as to install an Islamic state.

Until people understand what Islam truly is, people will keep converting to Islam, others will keep excusing it as the "religion of peace" and claim that the terrorist are not actually Muslim, and many moderate Muslims will keep believing that Islam is just a personal belief and what they believe is not a danger to anyone. But what Islam truly is is simply incompatible with anything non Muslim. The sooner the politically correct crowd and semi committed moderate Muslims realise this the faithful soldiers of Allah may be stoppable in the future.

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Reply #14 - Jan 10^th, 2015 at 6:27pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 6:10pm:

brumbie wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 5:57pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 5:47pm:

brumbie wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 5:27pm:

It is not muslims I am worried about, as I am sure the majority are good people.It is this "islamisation of the world" agenda that is pushing these terrorists and, where once it was well camouflaged, it is now out in the open in all it's ugly glory.
It is that that needs to be stopped and the only way you are going to do that, if we really must have a multicultural society, is by limiting the proportion of muslims.I'm afraid now with the birth of the internet and social media, then islamic terrorism is here to stay. It is no coincidence the two have risen together.
On the homefront we have to ban,deport or jail the hate preachers.It is so essential that we try to limit these foolish notions of Isis or "world domination" to perhaps one generation of youth.

Why do you think the "hate preachers" have arisen, Brumbie?

You don't think it's anything to do with what Western governments might have been doing in Muslim countries such as Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, Palestine, to name but four? Roll Eyes

No I most certainly do not Brian,that is grossly naive.

Please spare me the rhetorical questions.

So, why do you think the "hate preachers" have suddenly arisen in such numbers in the last 20-30 years, if it not the actions of the West in Muslim lands in that period?

I'm genuinely interested. Afterall, before the mid-1970s, radical Islam was virtually non-existent, even in Muslim societies around the world. The Muslim world was far more interested in modernisation - adapting and adopting Western ideals and concepts. Yet, after 1975, approximately, we have the arise of radical Islam, first with the overthrow of the Shah and then the fighting back against the Soviets in Afghanistan. It is almost as if there was a switch thrown and radical Islam appears on the West's radar.

So, what caused it, Brumbie, in your opinion?

So those trying to kill Nasser two decades earlier weren't radical?

There was plenty of radical Islam before 75.

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