polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 4:38pm:


Rocketanski wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 4:17pm:


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brumbie wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 6:16pm:


Fair enough, Brumbie.  If you're only here to make declarations, I rather think you've misunderstood the purpose of what an internet forum is.

I've made my statement - the "hate preachers" are a recent phenomena.  Their rise in the numbers we see today are in response to many factors, including Western intervention in Muslim countries and the West's betrayal of it's own principles when it has done so.   The West has proclaimed it believes in democracy and freedom but it has toppled democratic governments in Muslim lands and shored up dictatorships and autocracies n preference.   The West has also shown that it is willing to be complicit in the oppression of Muslims on numerous occasions.  Realpolitik has overruled principle and this is the consequence.  Some Muslims feel betrayed and have therefore turned, as most people do in times of crisis to those that offer surety and authority, the "hate preachers", with the results we've seen.

What we need to do is encourage moderate preachers and start trying to win the Muslims back on side.  It won't be easy but it will IMHO be worth the effort.   

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:




Someone forgotten about hisotry

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 7:20pm:

Muslims kill to discourage thinking, because thinking discourages Islam.

You have always been at the forefront of discouraging thinking about Islam.  Not thinking is what you do and rant about at every opportunity.  Anyone wh thinks is a bigot to you. Thinking is bigoted in your world . Mindless conformity and submission to evil are the only option in your doll house of PC horrors.


You are a despicable, spineless monster, without credibility, honour or even a cohesive set of ideas. Just a mad, stupid, evil enabler of mad, stupid evil f Vckers.

Quantum wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 7:27pm:


Quantum, radical Islamists had essentially no traction in the Muslim community before approximately the 1970s, why?  They were seen largely as an irrelevancy by nearly every modern Muslim.  Muslim nations wanted to modernise, they were all busy adapting and adopting modern Europe beliefs and concepts as quickly as they could.  Muslim societies were discarding their local cultural dress, their attitudes were becoming more Westernised and so on.  What happened to stop and arrest that?  No one seems to be willing to answer that.  I wonder why?

I'd suggest you're the one who needs to learn about history. 

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:


Brian I gave an opinion on the OP's question not a declaration.Each thread on islam isn't always just there to allow you to browbeat those in opposition to you, some have legitimate questions..this was one of them.

how we can best stop it happening in the future

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:


Funny that as my opinion was

brumbie wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 5:27pm:


Not exactly original were you Brian?

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:


There are a number of factors. For most of the post-war period arab frustration against the west was expressed through secular movements. The original terrorism against the west - Black September, the PLO and all the rest were all secular/irreligious. The rise of militant islam roughly coincided with the rise of Saudi Arabia as an economic powerhouse.  The wahabists that dominate that country are evangelistic (about the only sect in islam that is), and have aggressively exported their militant salafism throughout the arab world. This coincided with fierce crackdowns of islamist movements by local secular leaders - most notably in Baathist Iraq and Syria, Egypt and Algeria. There was also the muslim brotherhood movement - an old movement dating back to the early 20th century, but who found renewed appeal through their charity work with the disadvantaged across the arab world. Secularist dictators also cracked down hard on them, driving them from the moderate political sphere into the militant/insurgent sphere. Finally there was the Iranian revolution of 1979, which had a massive jolting effect across the arab world, and provided new impetus to sunni militancy.