brumbie wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 8:02pm:


I rarely browbeat, Brumby.  I usually attempt to engage people in a Socratic dialogue to try and find out what they mean.  I offered my perspective in response to your comment and asked a legitimate question too.   Perhaps it was an uncomfortable one?

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Note the difference though, you concentrated on a negative response whereas I concentrated on a positive one, Brumbie.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 8:45pm:


Because you are a BS artist; "radical Islamists had essentially no traction in the Muslim community before approximately the 1970s". But according to you it still doesn't have any "traction in the Muslim community". Remember, you want us to believe that the vast majority of Muslims today are peaceful and that the terrorist are only a very small percentage and not at all a reflection of the "Muslim community". You simply want to play this both ways but like anyone trying to rewrite history you are making an obvious clusterfvk of it all.

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 12:52am:


Or it is simply a case that the world is smaller now and not only is it easier for the message to hit a wider audience, not only is Islam more wide spread throughout the world, but the results of this radical element is now world wide news and also happening on our door step.

Your position that the mid 70's was an increase in the radical element is just a poor excuse to blame the west for modern day radical Islam. It was there since the 7th century, and was already clear before 1975. You are simply playing down the impact of radical Islam in the world today when it suits you, but exaggerating it in another context.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 4:38pm:


The ingrained victim mentality from muslims emerges again.

So this is all our fault and has nothing to do with Islam?

Dr Jasser said political Islam is the root cause of Islamic terror not the west or anyone else.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 10:39am:


Someone asked for a sensible practical solution, not a recipe for vengeance.

But I didn't expect a mature response from you Baron, you will continue with your hate-mongering and idiotic rhetorical questions in your great crusade to keep honest law abiding muslims marginalised and drive a wedge in society. Thats all you are good for Baron, you are not interested in solutions, only handwringing and point scoring. The truth is, you relish islamic extremism - yes you do. Its about time you were honest about this.

We should follow Saudi Arabia's lead on this by copying there laws to do with religion.

First of all we have to change the law and make islam a cult and not a religion.

We then move to demolish the mosques ban the k oran deregister the charities do not allow more than six  people to gather  for prayers there must be no outward sign of islam ( no beards no head coverings no wearing of skirts by men) no praying in the streets no  proselytizing migrant muslims can never attain permanent residence.

No muslim would find these restrictions unacceptable as they are only the reverse laws from the very birthplace of islam. Even brian ross will agree this is the only solution, I don't believe in the death penalty for muslims blasphemy of Jesus Christ however.

Muslims remind me of Neville Chamberlain's "I have in my hand a piece of paper, signed by Mr. Hitler"

It is now estimated 30,000 to 50,000 isis troops are in Mosul now, but don't worry it's only a tiny minority

Saudi Arabia prohibits public non-Muslim religious activities. Non-Muslim worshipers risk arrest, imprisonment, lashing, deportation, and sometimes torture for engaging in overt religious activity that attracts official attention.[citation needed] In July 2012 the Bodu Bala Sena, an extremist Buddhist organization based in Sri Lanka, reported that Premanath Pereralage Thungasiri, a Sri Lankan Buddhist employed in Saudi Arabia, had been arrested for worshiping the Buddha in his employer's home, and that plans were being made to behead him. [1] The Sri Lankan Embassy has rejected these reports. [2] In the past, Sri Lankan officials have also rejected reports regarding labor conditions issued by New York-based Human Rights Watch. [3]

The Government has stated publicly, including before the U.N. Committee on Human Rights in Geneva, that its policy is to protect the right of non-Muslims to worship privately. However, non-Muslim organizations have claimed that there are no explicit guidelines for distinguishing between public and private worship, such as the number of persons permitted to attend and the types of locations that are acceptable. Such lack of clarity, as well as instances of arbitrary enforcement by the authorities, obliges most non-Muslims to worship in such a manner as to avoid discovery. Those detained for non-Muslim worship almost always are deported by authorities after sometimes lengthy periods of arrest during investigation. In some cases, they also are sentenced to receive lashes prior to deportation.[citation needed].

The Government does not permit non-Muslim clergy to enter the country for the purpose of conducting religious services, although some come under other auspices and perform religious functions in secret. Such restrictions make it very difficult for most non-Muslims to maintain contact with clergymen and attend services. Catholics and Orthodox Christians, who require a priest on a regular basis to receive the sacraments required by their faith, particularly are affected.[citation needed]

Proselytizing by non-Muslims, including the distribution of non-Muslim religious materials such as Bibles, is illegal. The country has recently passed a law recommending the death penalty for anyone caught carrying or smuggling a bible into the country. [10] Muslims or non-Muslims wearing religious symbols of any kind in public risk confrontation with the Mutawwa'in. Under the auspices of the Ministry of Islamic Affairs, approximately 50 "Call and Guidance" centers employing approximately 500 persons work to convert foreigners to Islam. Some non-Muslim foreigners convert to Islam during their stay in the country. According to official reports, 942 foreign workers converted to Islam in the past year[clarification needed]. The press often carries articles about such conversions, including testimonials. The press as well as government officials publicized the conversion of the Italian Ambassador to Saudi Arabia, Torquato Cardilli, in late 2001[citation needed].

The Government requires noncitizen residents to carry a Saudi residence permit (Iqama) for identification in place of their passports.[11] Among other information, these contain a religious designation for "Muslim" or "non-Muslim."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_Saudi_Arabia

If that is unpalatable we could try the Maldives approach

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_the_Maldives

Adamant wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 12:48pm:



Let me know how that works out for you.




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Quantum do you have any actual useful proposals, or are you just going to point score all day?

Are you implying from your last post that we should ban islam and/or condemn it as a cult? Do you agree with Adamant's sentiment that we should adopt the Saudi approach? Have you considered if that would actually be useful in a practical sense, or does it just make you feel better?