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Reply #45 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 2:25pm

islamic terrorists believe every word in the qur'an is the literal truth.

The qur'an most definitely motivates torture and slaughter of those muslims oppose, as a sanctioned religious ritual (they do it with the blessings of, and in the cause of, allah).

Clean up the qur'an, or live with everyday islamic terrorism.

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Reply #46 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 2:25pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 2:16pm:

Quantum do you have any actual useful proposals, or are you just going to point score all day?

Are you implying from your last post that we should ban islam and/or condemn it as a cult? Do you agree with Adamant's sentiment that we should adopt the Saudi approach? Have you considered if that would actually be useful in a practical sense, or does it just make you feel better?

I did, right back on page 1;

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Explain what Islam is. The facts.

Too many people think that it is just another religion. They regurgitate what they hear about how it is the "religion of peace" and believe the liars that claim that the Quran teaches that killing is so unbelievably awful that no true Muslim would take a life. All BS. Islam isn't just a religion; It is a political philosophy that sees its end goal as world domination. It is the "religion of peace" because it aims to one day make every person submit to Islam. Once Islam takes over the world there will be peace, but until that day it is open season on anyone standing in its way. That's what makes it different to other religions. That's what people including "moderate Muslims" (Muslims who mostly have no idea what Islam is about) need to understand. This is not just religion. Christians can give to "Caesar what is Caesars" and get on with life. Islam needs to cut off Caesars head so as to install an Islamic state.

Until people understand what Islam truly is, people will keep converting to Islam, others will keep excusing it as the "religion of peace" and claim that the terrorist are not actually Muslim, and many moderate Muslims will keep believing that Islam is just a personal belief and what they believe is not a danger to anyone. But what Islam truly is is simply incompatible with anything non Muslim. The sooner the politically correct crowd and semi committed moderate Muslims realise this the faithful soldiers of Allah may be stoppable in the future.

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Reply #47 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 4:40pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 2:16pm:

Quantum do you have any actual useful proposals, or are you just going to point score all day?

Are you implying from your last post that we should ban islam and/or condemn it as a cult? Do you agree with Adamant's sentiment that we should adopt the Saudi approach? Have you considered if that would actually be useful in a practical sense, or does it just make you feel better?

Here is a modest proposal- grab the 'vast majority' of peaceful Muslims by the balls and squeeze until they deal with the 'tiny minority' in their midsts. The 'vast majority' has been lying doggo for way too long. They know who the miscreants are, they know what the wrong teachings are, they know what the networks are, where the money and suppoort comes from.

Whaddaya reckon?

Hail or deport anyone who doesn't dob in the fundamentalists. You decide, 'vast majority' - do you want a peaceful and prosperous life or do you want to go to jail or back to the old hell hole? The 'vast majority' has been getting away with playing both sides of the street for way, WAY too long.

I bet anything that you personally know radical Muslims, Gandy, and know people who also know other radical Muslims. You know who the rotters are in your circle.i

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: how we can best stop it happening in the future Reply #48 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 5:11pm Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 8:54pm: I rarely browbeat, Brumby. I usually attempt to engage people in a Socratic dialogue to try and find out what they mean. Just when I though you couldn't get any more ridiculous.
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Reply #49 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 5:58pm

Soren wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 4:40pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 2:16pm:

Quantum do you have any actual useful proposals, or are you just going to point score all day?

Are you implying from your last post that we should ban islam and/or condemn it as a cult? Do you agree with Adamant's sentiment that we should adopt the Saudi approach? Have you considered if that would actually be useful in a practical sense, or does it just make you feel better?

Here is a modest proposal- grab the 'vast majority' of peaceful Muslims by the balls and squeeze until they deal with the 'tiny minority' in their midsts. The 'vast majority' has been lying doggo for way too long. They know who the miscreants are, they know what the wrong teachings are, they know what the networks are, where the money and suppoort comes from.

Whaddaya reckon?

Hail or deport anyone who doesn't dob in the fundamentalists. You decide, 'vast majority' - do you want a peaceful and prosperous life or do you want to go to jail or back to the old hell hole? The 'vast majority' has been getting away with playing both sides of the street for way, WAY too long.

I bet anything that you personally know radical Muslims, Gandy, and know people who also know other radical Muslims. You know who the rotters are in your circle.

Good solution S - handball all the responsibility over to someone else. You wouldn't dream of accepting any responsibility for your own society would you?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #50 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 6:00pm

Soren wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 4:40pm:

I bet anything that you personally know radical Muslims, Gandy, and know people who also know other radical Muslims. You know who the rotters are in your circle.i

Wow thats not the least bit creepy or sounding like a raving lunatic.

Don't worry S - we all understand, islam made you do it.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #51 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 7:03pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 12:06pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 10:39am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 10^th, 2015 at 4:38pm:

Of course it can be stopped - but it requires a little maturity and responsibility by society. Stop the lies and unnecessary fear-mongering would be a good start. And stop bloody well apologising for them - acknowledge and denounce it wherever it pops up as completely counter-productive.

Stop vilifying and smearing muslims who have done nothing wrong and accept that they are not the enemy. Stop pretending they are alien and incompatible with our values, but are really just ordinary people who are every bit as outraged and fearful of terrorists as everyone else.

Resist the emotive quick-fix solutions - accept that islam is here to stay, that we can't simply deport all muslims and raze all their mosques.

The ingrained victim mentality from muslims emerges again.

So this is all our fault and has nothing to do with Islam?

Dr Jasser said political Islam is the root cause of Islamic terror not the west or anyone else.

Someone asked for a sensible practical solution, not a recipe for vengeance.

But I didn't expect a mature response from you Baron, you will continue with your hate-mongering and idiotic rhetorical questions in your great crusade to keep honest law abiding muslims marginalised and drive a wedge in society. Thats all you are good for Baron, you are not interested in solutions, only handwringing and point scoring. The truth is, you relish islamic extremism - yes you do. Its about time you were honest about this.

I ask the questions so you can clarify where you stand,evading them is idiotic FD has a wiki on that.

Dr Jasser said political Islam is what radicalizes muslims not the west and the fix has to come from within Islam.

In case you haven't noticed while munafiqs have been sitting on their asses doing SFA the problems with Islam have worsened.

I like to live in a bullshit free world Roll Eyes

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Reply #52 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 7:14pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 12:14pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 10:39am:

Dr Jasser said political Islam is the root cause of Islamic terror not the west or anyone else.

So your solution is to ban islam? Drive 20% of the world into the margins?

No it is not a solution and you know it. Yet thats exactly why you bring it up - you are not interested in solutions, you are interested in sustaining the hate, sustaining the divisions. Any suggestions to embrace muslims and unite society is anathema to you - yes it is Baron, be honest. Your ideological hatred of islam makes you incapable of accepting muslims into our society. So you shun solutions, you shun anything thats positive. Whenever you are reminded of the good and humanity in normal mainstream muslims, you mock and ridicule them as unislamic and/or ridicule them for disobeying their sinister prophet.

People like you are the problem Baron, because you are a barrier to finding workable solutions.

Bit of a strawman there Gandalf where did I ever say that can you cite it?

You can't ban religion,article 18 of the UDHR says believing in fairy tales is a human right,my belief is religion is bullshit fairy tales so that is also protected under article 18.

We cannot fix the problems in your religion that has to come from within Islam,when you consider the blasphemy laws in the Islamic part of the world how can muslims reform the repulsive parts of Islam without being accused of blasphemy then having their heads chopped off?

The blasphemy laws protect the Islamic meme from corruption,while they are in place there can be no progress.

I always say the truth is the best weapon against Islam,if you read the fine print it says it isn't from Allah. Roll Eyes

quran.com/4/82

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Reply #53 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 8:44pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 7:14pm:

We cannot fix the problems in your religion that has to come from within Islam

Oh so you think muslims should fix the problem now Baron? Ok, well how about you desist with the sneering smart-arse ridicule when muslims go to the effort to make a doctrinal case against terrorism? That would be a good start. Get on board Baron, start applauding the muslims for that 600 page fatwa instead of constantly mocking it. And stop trying to discredit any and every muslim who makes the effort to make the case for a tolerant, peaceful islam. Its like you want islam to be thuggish and brutal.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #54 - Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:00pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 8:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 7:14pm:

We cannot fix the problems in your religion that has to come from within Islam

Oh so you think muslims should fix the problem now Baron? Ok, well how about you desist with the sneering smart-arse ridicule when muslims go to the effort to make a doctrinal case against terrorism? That would be a good start. Get on board Baron, start applauding the muslims for that 600 page fatwa instead of constantly mocking it. And stop trying to discredit any and every muslim who makes the effort to make the case for a tolerant, peaceful islam. Its like you want islam to be thuggish and brutal.

You ooze crap on occasion Gandalf! Mo started the killings of innocents by ordering the killing of poets. The muslims that killed the poor buggers in France were doing what mo started.

I AM CHARLIE!

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In real life Gandalf is known as Mr 10%

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Reply #56 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 11:04am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 8:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 7:14pm:

We cannot fix the problems in your religion that has to come from within Islam

Oh so you think muslims should fix the problem now Baron? Ok, well how about you desist with the sneering smart-arse ridicule when muslims go to the effort to make a doctrinal case against terrorism? That would be a good start. Get on board Baron, start applauding the muslims for that 600 page fatwa instead of constantly mocking it. And stop trying to discredit any and every muslim who makes the effort to make the case for a tolerant, peaceful islam. Its like you want islam to be thuggish and brutal.

Course he does. If it wasn't, he wouldn't have a target for his Xenophobic hatred of Muslims! Grin

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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
Freediver, 2007.

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Reply #57 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 11:05am

Adamant wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 9:00pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 8:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 7:14pm:

We cannot fix the problems in your religion that has to come from within Islam

Oh so you think muslims should fix the problem now Baron? Ok, well how about you desist with the sneering smart-arse ridicule when muslims go to the effort to make a doctrinal case against terrorism? That would be a good start. Get on board Baron, start applauding the muslims for that 600 page fatwa instead of constantly mocking it. And stop trying to discredit any and every muslim who makes the effort to make the case for a tolerant, peaceful islam. Its like you want islam to be thuggish and brutal.

You ooze crap on occasion Gandalf! Mo started the killings of innocents by ordering the killing of poets. The muslims that killed the poor buggers in France were doing what mo started.

I AM CHARLIE!

Yes, you're a right one, too! Cheesy

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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

"we will never ever solve violence while we grasp for overly simplistic solutions."
Freediver, 2007.

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Reply #58 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 11:08am

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polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 8:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 7:14pm:

We cannot fix the problems in your religion that has to come from within Islam

Oh so you think muslims should fix the problem now Baron? Ok, well how about you desist with the sneering smart-arse ridicule when muslims go to the effort to make a doctrinal case against terrorism? That would be a good start. Get on board Baron, start applauding the muslims for that 600 page fatwa instead of constantly mocking it. And stop trying to discredit any and every muslim who makes the effort to make the case for a tolerant, peaceful islam. Its like you want islam to be thuggish and brutal.

Course he does. If it wasn't, he wouldn't have a target for his Xenophobic hatred of Muslims! Grin

Are you the exact opposite of a xenophobe HB?

Would the exact opposite of a xenophobe be someone who promiscuously embraces foreign cultures while snobbishly rejecting their own home grown culture?

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Reply #59 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 11:14am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 8:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 7:14pm:

We cannot fix the problems in your religion that has to come from within Islam

Oh so you think muslims should fix the problem now Baron? Ok, well how about you desist with the sneering smart-arse ridicule when muslims go to the effort to make a doctrinal case against terrorism? That would be a good start. Get on board Baron, start applauding the muslims for that 600 page fatwa instead of constantly mocking it. And stop trying to discredit any and every muslim who makes the effort to make the case for a tolerant, peaceful islam. Its like you want islam to be thuggish and brutal.

I think we have been waiting for over a decade for muslims to fix their terrorist problem,WTF have you been doing it's getting worse.

Why did Qadri leave out the we decreed upon the children of Israel when he quoted 5/32 in his fatwa?
quran.com/5/32

Muslims denied Islamic terror has anything to do with Islam for nearly a decade, is Qadri calling all those muslims in denial liars when he released his fatwa outlawing terror which muslims claimed was unislamic?

Terrorism is just one repulsive aspect of Islam, what are muslims ding about death for blasphemy and apostasy is it zip zero zilch? Roll Eyes

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