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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: how we can best stop it happening in the future Reply #75 - Jan 13^th, 2015 at 8:44pm After the horrific massacre Wednesday at the French weekly satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, perhaps the West will finally put away its legion of useless tropes trying to deny the relationship between violence and radical Islam. Who said that?
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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: how we can best stop it happening in the future Reply #76 - Jan 13^th, 2015 at 8:57pm Name 1 person denying the link between radical Islam and violence.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: how we can best stop it happening in the future Reply #77 - Jan 13^th, 2015 at 10:47pm ian wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 8:57pm: Name 1 person denying the link between radical Islam and violence. So why are you giving in to violent Islam?
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Reply #78 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:26pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 11:14am:

Muslims denied Islamic terror has anything to do with Islam for nearly a decade, is Qadri calling all those muslims in denial liars when he released his fatwa outlawing terror which muslims claimed was unislamic?

They don't Baron - according to you. Remember? Don't you remember how every second post of yours is mocking muslims for doing exactly what you deny they are doing now? 'terror and violence and oppression - *IS* islamic' you constantly keep reminding us - 'according to some fvckwit sheikh in Saudi Arabia - who has a monopoly on Islamic authority' - you never tire of rabbiting on about.

Stop being a bore get your stories straight. Don't mock muslims for issuing 600 page fawas against terrorism and claiming islam has nothing to do with terror - but then in the very next breath mock them for being all about terror - and throwing their weight behind extremists like islamqa guy.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: how we can best stop it happening in the future Reply #79 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:28pm Soren wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 10:47pm: ian wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 8:57pm: Name 1 person denying the link between radical Islam and violence. So why are you giving in to violent Islam? exactly how am i giving in?
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Reply #80 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 7:03pm

ian wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:28pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 10:47pm:

ian wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 8:57pm:

Name 1 person denying the link between radical Islam and violence.

So why are you giving in to violent Islam?

exactly how am i giving in?

Dunno. How do you?

Or don't you?

There are plenty who do. Aussie does, for example, so does Dame Panties. Light-gone-out does.

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Reply #81 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 9:20pm

Soren wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 8:45am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 12:47am:

Soren wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 9:16pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 1:02pm:

So, how do you think Muslim authorities should react?

Effectively.

And what would be the most effective way in your opinion, Soren?

Within the law, of course. Within the Constitution, of course.

So how, Soren?

Lets see some constructive criticism for a change. Offer some constructive suggestions. If you can. Roll Eyes

Before I tell you, I want to ask - who speaks FOR Islam? Who ARE the Muslim authorities? Who shapes Islam into what it is?

I ask because whenever any Islamic authority is criticised the immediate response is that that particular authority is not speaking for the whole of Islam; Islam has as many versions as there are Muslims and none of the versions are representative.

So who IS speaking for Islam? Which Islamic authority has the power to influence Muslims?

Any person who is accorded influence through their eloquence and the authority they display in knowing and understanding the faith, Soren. That is very obvious.

Does that answer your question?

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Reply #82 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 9:25pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 9:20pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 8:45am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 12:47am:

Soren wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 9:16pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 1:02pm:

So, how do you think Muslim authorities should react?

Effectively.

And what would be the most effective way in your opinion, Soren?

Within the law, of course. Within the Constitution, of course.

So how, Soren?

Lets see some constructive criticism for a change. Offer some constructive suggestions. If you can. Roll Eyes

Before I tell you, I want to ask - who speaks FOR Islam? Who ARE the Muslim authorities? Who shapes Islam into what it is?

I ask because whenever any Islamic authority is criticised the immediate response is that that particular authority is not speaking for the whole of Islam; Islam has as many versions as there are Muslims and none of the versions are representative.

So who IS speaking for Islam? Which Islamic authority has the power to influence Muslims?

Any person who is accorded influence through their eloquence and the authority they display in knowing and understanding the faith, Soren. That is very obvious.

Does that answer your question?

I think so, Brian. You’re referring to Yadda, of course.

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Reply #83 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 10:06pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 9:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 9:20pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 8:45am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 12:47am:

Soren wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 9:16pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 1:02pm:

So, how do you think Muslim authorities should react?

Effectively.

And what would be the most effective way in your opinion, Soren?

Within the law, of course. Within the Constitution, of course.

So how, Soren?

Lets see some constructive criticism for a change. Offer some constructive suggestions. If you can. Roll Eyes

Before I tell you, I want to ask - who speaks FOR Islam? Who ARE the Muslim authorities? Who shapes Islam into what it is?

I ask because whenever any Islamic authority is criticised the immediate response is that that particular authority is not speaking for the whole of Islam; Islam has as many versions as there are Muslims and none of the versions are representative.

So who IS speaking for Islam? Which Islamic authority has the power to influence Muslims?

Any person who is accorded influence through their eloquence and the authority they display in knowing and understanding the faith, Soren. That is very obvious.

Does that answer your question?

I think so, Brian. You’re referring to Yadda, of course.

Mmm, "eloquence" and "authority" are not two words that spring to mind when I think of Y, K. Roll Eyes

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Reply #84 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:34am

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 9:20pm:

Soren wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 8:45am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 12:47am:

Soren wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 9:16pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 1:02pm:

So, how do you think Muslim authorities should react?

Effectively.

And what would be the most effective way in your opinion, Soren?

Within the law, of course. Within the Constitution, of course.

So how, Soren?

Lets see some constructive criticism for a change. Offer some constructive suggestions. If you can. Roll Eyes

Before I tell you, I want to ask - who speaks FOR Islam? Who ARE the Muslim authorities? Who shapes Islam into what it is?

I ask because whenever any Islamic authority is criticised the immediate response is that that particular authority is not speaking for the whole of Islam; Islam has as many versions as there are Muslims and none of the versions are representative.

So who IS speaking for Islam? Which Islamic authority has the power to influence Muslims?

Any person who is accorded influence through their eloquence and the authority they display in knowing and understanding the faith, Soren. That is very obvious.

Does that answer your question?

Your definition is stupid, Brain.

Obviously there are Muslims who are eloquent and have authority to influence other Muslims to wage jihad.

Ergo, they speak for Islam.

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Reply #85 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 10:27pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:26pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 11:14am:

Muslims denied Islamic terror has anything to do with Islam for nearly a decade, is Qadri calling all those muslims in denial liars when he released his fatwa outlawing terror which muslims claimed was unislamic?

They don't Baron - according to you. Remember? Don't you remember how every second post of yours is mocking muslims for doing exactly what you deny they are doing now? 'terror and violence and oppression - *IS* islamic' you constantly keep reminding us - 'according to some fvckwit sheikh in Saudi Arabia - who has a monopoly on Islamic authority' - you never tire of rabbiting on about.

Stop being a bore get your stories straight. Don't mock muslims for issuing 600 page fawas against terrorism and claiming islam has nothing to do with terror - but then in the very next breath mock them for being all about terror - and throwing their weight behind extremists like islamqa guy.

But who exactly is bound by that 600 page fatwah?

Nobody.

Certainly not the Australian Muslims who have nuffin to do wiv nuffin.

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Reply #86 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 10:46pm

Oh I know Soren - nuffin wiv nuffin....

When muslims ignore the problem its nuffin wiv nuffin...

And when they don't ignore it and try to make things right, its still nuffin wiv nuffin.

There is literally nuffin muslims can do right - ever. But at least you gave islam the benefit of the doubt right S Tongue

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #87 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 11:21pm

Soren wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 10:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:26pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 11:14am:

Muslims denied Islamic terror has anything to do with Islam for nearly a decade, is Qadri calling all those muslims in denial liars when he released his fatwa outlawing terror which muslims claimed was unislamic?

They don't Baron - according to you. Remember? Don't you remember how every second post of yours is mocking muslims for doing exactly what you deny they are doing now? 'terror and violence and oppression - *IS* islamic' you constantly keep reminding us - 'according to some fvckwit sheikh in Saudi Arabia - who has a monopoly on Islamic authority' - you never tire of rabbiting on about.

Stop being a bore get your stories straight. Don't mock muslims for issuing 600 page fawas against terrorism and claiming islam has nothing to do with terror - but then in the very next breath mock them for being all about terror - and throwing their weight behind extremists like islamqa guy.

But who exactly is bound by that 600 page fatwah?

Nobody.

Certainly not the Australian Muslims who have nuffin to do wiv nuffin.

Who is bound by a Papal Bull, Soren? Roll Eyes

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Reply #88 - Jan 25^th, 2015 at 11:23pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 25^th, 2015 at 10:46pm:

Oh I know Soren - nuffin wiv nuffin....

When muslims ignore the problem its nuffin wiv nuffin...

And when they don't ignore it and try to make things right, its still nuffin wiv nuffin.

There is literally nuffin muslims can do right - ever. But at least you gave islam the benefit of the doubt right S Tongue

Ah, the victimhood! Delicious.

The thing is, Muslim have been doing nothing since 2001 except claim victimhood. That's it. Every time some fervent Muslim murders a load of people, the reflex reaction is that his fervent Islamic beliefs have nuffin to do wiv Islam. The murdering goes on and all you have in response is that you have nuffin to do wiv nuffin. All the murderers declare that it is ALL about Islam and you and Brain declare that is has NUFFIN to do wiv Islam.

It is ridiculous. This is why people ridicule Islam in with cartoons and jokes and every other way.

Of course Muslim terrorists are motivated by Islam. Of course they share your religion, of course you have all the basic beliefs in common with them, of course it is not a tiny minority (they would have been eradicated long ago if they were really that tiny).

You keep repeating barefaced lies, Gandy, and you hide behind ' oh, that's racist' when you have nowhere else to hide.

Islam is responsible to a very large degree for what is happening around the world in it's name. It is not misrepresented by militants any more than it is misrepresented by the quietists. Your arsecovering abnegation of responsibility is untenable, Gandy. Islam is a huge problem in the world because people like you do not face up to its contradictions.

If you were really strong and relevant, there would be NO Islamic terrorism. But you are not so there is daily murder and disgusting Islamic degradation of humanity.i

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