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Re: Every moslem [in Australia]is a latent Jihadist
Reply #15 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 11:27am

Soren wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 8:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 10:52pm:

Y, isn't anybody paying attention to your posts any more? Perhaps you need to change both your tune and your style? Endless repetition may work in the Madrassah for you but turns most people off. Roll Eyes

Isn't jihad a Muslim obligation, like giving alms to poor Muslims or praying or going on a pilgrimage to Macca?

Jihad has multiple meanings as you well know Soren. Most Muslims use it to merely mean "struggle" and that struggle can be personal spiritual one just as much as a public armed violent one. You and the Islamists you sympathise with use in the latter sense because it suits you. Grin

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Reply #16 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 2:36pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 1:08pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 11:46am:

According to Ali Sina all a moderate muslim needs is a spark of faith to become a terrorist.

Gandalf say being critical of Islam drives muslims to the fundamentalists resulting in terrorists being recruited,if the right wingers would be more accepting of sharia law this wouldn't happen, it has nothing to do with Islam it's all the right wingers fault.

Baron,

Gandalf is a classic moslem, imo [....i.e. he is a person [who, because he is living within a secular, non-moslem society] pretends to be a moslem with liberal 'credentials'].

I would say Gandalf is ignorant about his religion, the show me the evidence thread where he claimed a mistranslation was evidence is proof of that.

He even went to ummah.com to get help with his Arabic regarding that verse.

There are muslims who are ignorant about their religion.

Compare Gandalf to other muslims who have posted here like Abu,Falah and Lestat, he is the odd one out in that group.

Perhaps Brian and HB should read what Abu-falah and Lesat wrote, Brian and Hb are also ignorant about the muslims who have posted here.

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Reply #17 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:14pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 1:08pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 11:46am:

According to Ali Sina all a moderate muslim needs is a spark of faith to become a terrorist.

Gandalf say being critical of Islam drives muslims to the fundamentalists resulting in terrorists being recruited,if the right wingers would be more accepting of sharia law this wouldn't happen, it has nothing to do with Islam it's all the right wingers fault.

Baron,

Gandalf is a classic moslem, imo [....i.e. he is a person [who, because he is living within a secular, non-moslem society] pretends to be a moslem with liberal 'credentials'].

I would say Gandalf is ignorant about his religion, the show me the evidence thread where he claimed a mistranslation was evidence is proof of that.

He even went to ummah.com to get help with his Arabic regarding that verse.

There are muslims who are ignorant about their religion.

Compare Gandalf to other muslims who have posted here like Abu,Falah and Lestat, he is the odd one out in that group.

Perhaps Brian and HB should read what Abu-falah and Lesat wrote, Brian and Hb are also ignorant about the muslims who have posted here.

I agree, Baron. FD should quote Abu and try to get G to agree with it, don't you think?

That could work.

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Reply #18 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:30pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Perhaps Brian and HB should read what Abu-falah and Lesat wrote, Brian and Hb are also ignorant about the muslims who have posted here.

Do they still post here? No. So what value is their opinion then? As far as I am concerned there are ignorant, foolish people in all religions. I don't engage in necrophilia Baron! Grin

I've spoken to many Muslims in several different countries Baron. I've encountered a wide diverse range of opinions.

You seem to be relying on a very narrow source of information. I wonder why? Grin

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Reply #19 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:41pm

|dev|null wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:30pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Perhaps Brian and HB should read what Abu-falah and Lesat wrote, Brian and Hb are also ignorant about the muslims who have posted here.

Do they still post here? No. So what value is their opinion then? As far as I am concerned there are ignorant, foolish people in all religions. I don't engage in necrophilia Baron! Grin

I've spoken to many Muslims in several different countries Baron. I've encountered a wide diverse range of opinions.

You seem to be relying on a very narrow source of information. I wonder why? Grin

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Reply #21 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 9:53pm

|dev|null wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

Soren wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 8:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 10:52pm:

Y, isn't anybody paying attention to your posts any more? Perhaps you need to change both your tune and your style? Endless repetition may work in the Madrassah for you but turns most people off. Roll Eyes

Isn't jihad a Muslim obligation, like giving alms to poor Muslims or praying or going on a pilgrimage to Macca?

Jihad has multiple meanings as you well know Soren. Most Muslims use it to merely mean "struggle" and that struggle can be personal spiritual one just as much as a public armed violent one. You and the Islamists you sympathise with use in the latter sense because it suits you. Grin

On top of every form of Islam there are Allah and Mohammed.
And that is why they all go wrong.

Or are there believing Muslims who do not believe in Allah and that Mohammed was his prophet??
Do tell us, hot little globetrotter.

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Re: Every moslem [in Australia]is a latent Jihadist
Reply #22 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 10:41pm

|dev|null wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

Jihad has multiple meanings as you well know Soren.

Most Muslims use it to merely mean "struggle" and that struggle can be personal spiritual one just as much as a public armed violent one.

You and the Islamists you sympathise with use in the latter sense because it suits you. Grin

Hot_Breath,

Yeah, i have noticed, that moslems seem to be fixated on convincing us disbelievers, that Jihad is really a nebulous concept. Tongue

Dictionary;
nebulous = =
1 in the form of a cloud or haze; hazy.
2 vague or ill-defined.

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It is funny though, how that, when moslems are discussing Jihad among themselves, it is clear that everyone knows what 'the moslem' is speaking about !

!!!!!!!

Quote:

Use children as troops, says cleric
January 18, 2007
SYDNEY'S most influential radical Muslim cleric has been caught on film calling Jews pigs and urging children to die for Allah.
Firebrand Sheik Feiz Mohammed, head of the Global Islamic Youth Centre in Liverpool [Australia], delivered the hateful rants on a collection of DVDs called the Death Series being sold in Australia and overseas.
.........Sheik Feiz says in the video.
"We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam. Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid (holy warrior). Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom."
An Australian citizen born in Sydney who has spent the past year living in Lebanon, Sheik Feiz was exposed this week in a British documentary Undercover Mosque.
......"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad," he declares in the film, before denouncing "kaffirs" (non-Muslims).

"Kaffir is the worst word ever written, a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt."

......Sheik Feiz - who just two weeks ago said he felt like an "alien" in his own country - leads about 4000 followers through his Global Islamic Youth Centre in Sydney's southwest.
He also accused Australian authorities of being over-zealous in their approach to clerics like him.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21074839-2,00.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014863.phpi

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'Whosoever dies without participating in an expedition (jihad) nor having the intention to do so, dies on a branch of hypocrisy,'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2632768/Brisbane-woman-charged-supportin...
- Australian moslem, Mohamed Elomar

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Google;
jihad is the pinnacle of islam

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Physical jihad is the pinnacle of Islam, and some scholars regarded it as the sixth pillar of Islam.
June 13, 2013 · by muwahhidmedia · in Jihad · 2 Comments

The Muslims have neglected jihad for a long time, so they deserve the punishment of Allah, to be humiliated, belittled and defeated. That humiliation will never be lifted from them until they come back to their religion as the Prophet (salla Allahu alayhi wa salam) said:

.......One of the strangest things to note is that we are living in a time when some of the Muslims are embarrassed to quote the verses and ahadith on jihad in front of their kaafir friends.

Their faces turn red because they are too shy to mention the rulings on the djizyah, slavery and killing prisoners of war.

They wish that they could erase these verses and ahadith from the Qur’aan and Sunnah so that they would not be criticized by this world with its backward principles despite its claims to be civilized.

If they cannot erase them then they try to misinterpret them and distort their meanings so that they suit the whims and desires of their masters. I will not say so that they suit their whims and desires, for they are too weak to have their own whims and desires, and too ignorant. Rather it is the whims and desires of their masters and teachers among the missionaries and colonialists, the enemies of Islam.”

http://muwahhidmedia.com/2013/06/13/physical-jihad-is-the-pinnacle-of-islam-and-...

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Reply #23 - Oct 5^th, 2015 at 9:33am

REPRISE;

Every moslem [in Australia] is a latent Jihadist, imo.

Every moslem [in Australia] is a latent, wanna-be-murderer, imo.

Dictionary;
latent = = existing but not yet developed, manifest, or active

'The moslem'.

Every moslem is a latent, wanna-be-murderer, imo.

Every moslem!

Not so?

Am i unfairly disparaging and mis-representing many 'good' people, who are moslems ???

And we know, that many moslems, themselves, insist that they have no 'truck' with moslem 'extremists'.

Right ?

QUESTION;

But why does a moslem choose to be, a moslem,

to define himself as a 'moslem', IF HE DOES NOT WANT TO OBEY THE TENETS AND LAWS OF ISLAM ?

It makes no sense.

It makes no sense, ....especially when such a person [i.e. a 'moslem'] is living within a secular nation, like Australia, identifies as being a moslem....

.....UNLESS 'THE MOSLEM' HAS A DEEP AND BURNING DESIRE [within himself] TO OBEY THE TENETS AND LAWS OF ISLAM.

JUST THINK ABOUT IT;

By definition, a 'moslem' is a person who is 'SCREAMING' to the whole world [and certainly, to everyone around him!];

"I am a person who chooses to respect and revere the tenets and laws of ISLAM."

QUESTION;

Why does a moslem choose to be, a moslem, to define himself as a 'moslem',

....IF HE DOES NOT WANT AND DESIRE, TO OBEY THE GOD OF ISLAM, ALLAH, AND, TO FULFIL WHAT THE GOD OF ISLAM REQUIRES OF HIM ?

Especially when such a person is living within a secular nation, like Australia ?

It makes no sense;

...TO CHOOSE TO IDENTIFY ONESELF WITH ISLAM, BUT TO THEN DENY ANY ASSOCIATION AND SYMPATHY WITH THE - VIOLENT - TENETS AND LAWS OF ISLAM.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #24 - Oct 5^th, 2015 at 9:34am

THE UNDENIABLE TRUTH, .....IS THAT;

Every person who self-declares, to be a moslem, is self declaring that he agrees to, and accepts, the religious obligations which ISLAM places upon 'the moslem'.

And the PRIMARY obligation of a moslem, is to participate in violent religious fighting, aka Jihad, aka the righteous 'struggle', aka 'Allah's cause' [i.e. whenever Allah provides the 'opportunity'],
....against Allah's enemies.

THOUGH ['OPENLY'] UNSTATED, EVERY MOSLEM UNDERSTANDS THIS 'OBLIGATION' TO HIS/HER RELIGION [though he may not acknowledge it to you, though he will deny it, to your face].

Google;

jihad is the pinnacle of islam

An 'Aussie' EX-moslem, Mohamed Elomar, in Syria/Iraq.

e.g.
Quote:

'Whosoever dies without participating in an expedition (jihad) nor having the intention to do so, dies on a branch of hypocrisy,'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2632768/Brisbane-woman-charged-supportin...
- Australian moslem, Mohamed Elomar, quoting ISLAMIC scripture

Google;
"Allah's Messenger said" "Whosoever dies without participating"

STRAIGHT FROM THE PROPHETS MOUTH

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"I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid [religious fighter] in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.046

In the Hadith verse above, Mohammed is reported as saying that for a moslem, religious fighting, is the same as a religious devotion.
i.e. Jihad [religious fighting], is as if a muslim 'fasts and prays continuously'.
And in Koran 9.111, Allah guarantees that a Mujahid [religious fighter] will enter Paradise, if he is killed, while seeking to kill Allah's enemies.

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadith/bukhari/ #001.002.025
see also,
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.080i
hadith/bukhari/ #004.052.196

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.025

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #25 - Oct 5^th, 2015 at 9:35am

ISLAM cloaks itself, indeed VEILS itself, behind the word 'RELIGION'.

In truth, ISLAM is a violent [and very secular and 'worldly'] expression of political fascism.

Violent Koranic verses [and there are many of them!!!], are all about directing raw, violent political power.

And ISLAM is, ...a system of laws.

ARGUMENT;

ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION [ .....well, not in any traditional sense of what the word 'religion' means].

e.g.
ISLAM IS NOT ABOUT THE PASSIVE PRACTICE OF - WORSHIPPING - A SUPREME BEING.

ISLAM is about establishing raw, violent political power over every human being on this planet.

And the 'righteous' means of establishing that violent political power over every human being on this planet, is accomplished by the vehicles of political deceit and political violence.

e.g.
Quote:

2007
Pakistani cleric: 'We want Islamic law for all Pakistan and then the world. We would like to do this by preaching. But if not then we would use force.'

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/12/pakistani-cleric-we-want-islamic-law-for-all-p...

THE CHARACTER AND NATURE, OF THE ISLAMIC MEME EXPOSED;

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Terror is the objective, and terror is also the means.

Dictionary;
terrorist = = a person who uses violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

The Koran [and ISLAMIC laws] contain POLITICAL directives, about warfare, and about identifying those who are the political 'enemies' of moslems.

The Koran is, an instruction manual, in terrorism.

ISLAM is a terrorist philosophy.

And the 'religious' aspect of ISLAM's motivation, makes ISLAM an extremely dangerous death cult.

And yet, the moslem always refuses to be accountable for the lawlessness [i.e. law breaking] and the political violence which is seen in ALL moslem communities [i.e. in all communities where moslems are present!].

And when you have the impertinence to confront a moslem with evidence of moslem wrongdoing and lawlessness;
It is always the same response;
Denial, lying, and deflection.

ASK A MOSLEM [...if there is any aspect of ISLAM which resembles a terrorist philosophy];
AND THE RESPONSE IS INVARIABLY GOING TO BE THE SAME, TIME AFTER TIME;

1/ ISLAM IS ALLAH's PERFECT AND VIRTUOUS RELIGION.

2/ MOSLEMS, ARE THE INNOCENT PEOPLE.

3/ TERRORISM IS SOMETHING WHICH ONLY INFIDELS DO.

4/ THOSE WHO ARE COMMITTING TERRORIST ACTS, IN THE NAME OF ISLAM, ARE NOT REAL MOSLEMS - [the corollary being] SO YOU ARE WRONG TO BLAME REAL ISLAM AND REAL MOSLEMS, AS BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR SUCH ACTS.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #26 - Oct 5^th, 2015 at 12:21pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 1:08pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 11:46am:

According to Ali Sina all a moderate muslim needs is a spark of faith to become a terrorist.

Gandalf say being critical of Islam drives muslims to the fundamentalists resulting in terrorists being recruited,if the right wingers would be more accepting of sharia law this wouldn't happen, it has nothing to do with Islam it's all the right wingers fault.

Baron,

Gandalf is a classic moslem, imo [....i.e. he is a person [who, because he is living within a secular, non-moslem society] pretends to be a moslem with liberal 'credentials'].

I would say Gandalf is ignorant about his religion, the show me the evidence thread where he claimed a mistranslation was evidence is proof of that.

He even went to ummah.com to get help with his Arabic regarding that verse.

There are muslims who are ignorant about their religion.

Compare Gandalf to other muslims who have posted here like Abu,Falah and Lestat, he is the odd one out in that group.

Perhaps Brian and HB should read what Abu-falah and Lesat wrote, Brian and Hb are also ignorant about the muslims who have posted here.

Baron is of course referring to the 'great debate' about whether or not Aisha was pre-pubescent at the time her marriage to Muhammad was consummated. He leaves out the fact that virtually every Islamic scholar is unanimous on the fact that Aisha was post-pubescent at the time, and there is a lot of evidence to indicate this. The "mistranslated" hadith that Baron alludes to is a translation from sunna.com - a site that he is otherwise falling over himself to cite as the most authoritative Islamic source. Needless to say Baron has never worried about the translations used in this and all the other mainstream sources before.

But please, lets talk about ignorance shall we? I would describe ignorance as, for example, basing an entire narrative around Prophet Muhammad being a rabidly licentious pervert and pedophile - based entirely on the slimmest of threads linking Muhammad to committing a single act of intercourse with one pre-pubescent girl. Even if it was true that Aisha was pre-pubescent at the time (which again, no Islamic scholar agrees), that is a million miles from proving he was a sick pervert and a pedophile, given how widespread and normative the practice was at the time. Especially as it completely ignores his pattern of behaviour - monogamous for 20 years with one wife until she died, then marrying only grown post-pubescent women. An actual pedophile, by definition, would have a pattern of behaviour demonstrating he was only interested in having sex with pre-pubescent children.

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Reply #27 - Oct 5^th, 2015 at 1:04pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Oct 5^th, 2015 at 12:21pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 2:36pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 1:08pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 11:46am:

According to Ali Sina all a moderate muslim needs is a spark of faith to become a terrorist.

Gandalf say being critical of Islam drives muslims to the fundamentalists resulting in terrorists being recruited,if the right wingers would be more accepting of sharia law this wouldn't happen, it has nothing to do with Islam it's all the right wingers fault.

Baron,

Gandalf is a classic moslem, imo [....i.e. he is a person [who, because he is living within a secular, non-moslem society] pretends to be a moslem with liberal 'credentials'].

I would say Gandalf is ignorant about his religion, the show me the evidence thread where he claimed a mistranslation was evidence is proof of that.

He even went to ummah.com to get help with his Arabic regarding that verse.

There are muslims who are ignorant about their religion.

Compare Gandalf to other muslims who have posted here like Abu,Falah and Lestat, he is the odd one out in that group.

Perhaps Brian and HB should read what Abu-falah and Lesat wrote, Brian and Hb are also ignorant about the muslims who have posted here.

Baron is of course referring to the 'great debate' about whether or not Aisha was pre-pubescent at the time her marriage to Muhammad was consummated. He leaves out the fact that virtually every Islamic scholar is unanimous on the fact that Aisha was post-pubescent at the time, and there is a lot of evidence to indicate this. The "mistranslated" hadith that Baron alludes to is a translation from sunna.com - a site that he is otherwise falling over himself to cite as the most authoritative Islamic source. Needless to say Baron has never worried about the translations used in this and all the other mainstream sources before.

But please, lets talk about ignorance shall we? I would describe ignorance as, for example, basing an entire narrative around Prophet Muhammad being a rabidly licentious pervert and pedophile - based entirely on the slimmest of threads linking Muhammad to committing a single act of intercourse with one pre-pubescent girl. Even if it was true that Aisha was pre-pubescent at the time (which again, no Islamic scholar agrees), that is a million miles from proving he was a sick pervert and a pedophile, given how widespread and normative the practice was at the time. Especially as it completely ignores his pattern of behaviour - monogamous for 20 years with one wife until she died, then marrying only grown post-pubescent women. An actual pedophile, by definition, would have a pattern of behaviour demonstrating he was only interested in having sex with pre-pubescent children.

You are the one trying to defend your pedo $Profit in claiming it's ok to have sex with nine year old girls if you claim they have reached puberty.

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Reply #29 - Oct 5^th, 2015 at 2:58pm

|dev|null wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

Soren wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 8:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 11^th, 2015 at 10:52pm:

Y, isn't anybody paying attention to your posts any more? Perhaps you need to change both your tune and your style? Endless repetition may work in the Madrassah for you but turns most people off. Roll Eyes

Isn't jihad a Muslim obligation, like giving alms to poor Muslims or praying or going on a pilgrimage to Macca?

Jihad has multiple meanings as you well know Soren. Most Muslims use it to merely mean "struggle" and that struggle can be personal spiritual one just as much as a public armed violent one. You and the Islamists you sympathise with use in the latter sense because it suits you. Grin

Yet if they were in power, silly little vegemite apologists like you would be the first ones beheaded. Ironic.

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