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Reply #15 - Jan 11th, 2015 at 4:42pm  
Quantum wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 4:33pm:
I'm yet to see one moderate Muslim, or even Muslim apologist, pull this disrespectful arse into line.


Totally. I mean I've only just been able to go through the pages and pages of your denunciations of sprint's calls for indiscriminate violence and persecution against muslims. I mean poor sprint, he barely gets a word out without being hounded down by good "moderate" critics like yourself.

Personally, I prefer to just ignore the trolls - across the board. But thats just me.
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Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Reply #16 - Jan 11th, 2015 at 4:47pm  
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 4:26pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 4:01pm:
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Must be an anomaly.


Gandalf spent a long time insisting it was too absurd for such Muslims to exist.


Yes FD - muslims marching up and down the street demanding their religion be ridiculed = muslims helping others escape from terrorists. He's a sharp one this one  Tongue


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Must be an anomaly. Like the dead cop
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Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Reply #17 - Jan 11th, 2015 at 4:54pm  
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 4:42pm:
Quantum wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 4:33pm:
I'm yet to see one moderate Muslim, or even Muslim apologist, pull this disrespectful arse into line.


Totally. I mean I've only just been able to go through the pages and pages of your denunciations of sprint's calls for indiscriminate violence and persecution against muslims. I mean poor sprint, he barely gets a word out without being hounded down by good "moderate" critics like yourself.

Personally, I prefer to just ignore the trolls - across the board. But thats just me.


There is a problem in your logic here. It is not for non Muslims to pull up every non Muslim. Not being a Muslim does not make you part of a group with a particular ideology. I have no reason to pull up anyone criticising Islam even if I don't agree with them. Moderate Muslims however do have a responsibility to pull their own into line... But they can't even do that on a forum! Even when they are the moderator! Even when it is pointed out to them they still have to go for deflection; 'stop focusing on Muslims... what about these people!'. Same old...
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Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Reply #18 - Jan 11th, 2015 at 5:00pm  
Quantum wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 4:54pm:
Moderate Muslims however do have a responsibility to pull their own into line... But they can't even do that on a forum! Even when they are the moderator! Even when it is pointed out to them they still have to go for deflection; 'stop focusing on Muslims... what about these people!'. Same old...


And what would you like me to say "Wally pretty please, stop posting crap?" Or how about
"Wally I will ban you if you continue posting crap"? Freedom of speech - overrated huh?

You are a complete hypocrite if you think muslims must be obligated to shut the extremists up, but non-muslim critics have no such obligations against those who incite violence against muslims. Especially when we're comparing silly conspiracy theories with constant calls to raze mosques and kill muslims.
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Reply #19 - Jan 11th, 2015 at 5:05pm  
Quantum wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 4:33pm:
No wonder moderate Muslims are too weak to stand up to insane Islamic extremist in the real world, when they are too scared to tell one of their own to shut up with all their BS conspiracy theories on a forum.

I'm yet to see one moderate Muslim, or even Muslim apologist, pull this disrespectful arse into line. He is saying that a police man (who happened to be a Muslim) never actually died. That the whole thing was just a big Jewish run false flag. And the Muslims and Islamophiles wonder why people get pissed off at Islam.


I saw the family of one of the terrorists denounce his actions.
Also some high ranking muslims in auss have disagreed with it.

Which is all quite correct.
But the situation remains.
The problems come from islam and they can offer no solution.
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Reply #20 - Jan 11th, 2015 at 5:16pm  
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 5:00pm:
Quantum wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 4:54pm:
Moderate Muslims however do have a responsibility to pull their own into line... But they can't even do that on a forum! Even when they are the moderator! Even when it is pointed out to them they still have to go for deflection; 'stop focusing on Muslims... what about these people!'. Same old...


And what would you like me to say "Wally pretty please, stop posting crap?" Or how about
"Wally I will ban you if you continue posting crap"? Freedom of speech - overrated huh?

You are a complete hypocrite if you think muslims must be obligated to shut the extremists up, but non-muslim critics have no such obligations against those who incite violence against muslims. Especially when we're comparing silly conspiracy theories with constant calls to raze mosques and kill muslims.


Right... So...

*Muslims don't have to control their own.
*Non Muslims are supposed to control all non Muslims which include; Christians, atheist, Hindus, agnostics, Mormons, Buddhist, etc. (not Muslims though... That would be islamophobic telling them what to do).

Makes perfect sense. No wonder pointing out the connection between Islam and Paris terrorism gets the moderator frustrated, but saying it was just a big Jewish movie production and the cop was just an actor is just an opinion and no issue.
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Reply #21 - Jan 11th, 2015 at 5:34pm  
"muslims" are not some secret club Quantum, they are a disparate group of unlike individuals scattered throughout the world. Why must we persist with this rubbish? Probably because it helps your prejudice to engage in outgroup homogeneity.

As I've said before, I identify far more with such people as sprint and FD and even you than I do extremist nutjobs who call themselves muslim. My responsibility is with my own family, my own community and my own country. Not some backward hicks whose values and culture are diametrically opposed to my own.
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Reply #22 - Jan 11th, 2015 at 8:42pm  
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 5:34pm:
"muslims" are not some secret club Quantum, they are a disparate group of unlike individuals scattered throughout the world. Why must we persist with this rubbish? Probably because it helps your prejudice to engage in outgroup homogeneity.

As I've said before, I identify far more with such people as sprint and FD and even you than I do extremist nutjobs who call themselves muslim. My responsibility is with my own family, my own community and my own country. Not some backward hicks whose values and culture are diametrically opposed to my own.

Muslim - race or not?

Not.

Why claim that Mohammed cartoons are racist? Because Mohammed was an Arab? So Mohammed cartoons are anti-Arab without being racists anti-Muslim??

So drawing an atheist Arab called Mohammed would cause riots in the Arab Muslim countries?
No. ( I am hoping.)
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Reply #23 - Jan 11th, 2015 at 8:57pm  
muslims are not a race, I never said they were.

But muslims can and do get attacked on racial grounds. When jews are caricatured we have no problem condemning that as racism - muslims can also be racially caricatured by using streotypical arab depictions. When islamophobes attack muslims they don't typically look for religious symbols (the hijab being the notable exception), they look for racial markers. Thats why non-muslim of asian/middle eastern appearance are often targeted. A white muslim will likely never be targeted.
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Reply #24 - Jan 11th, 2015 at 9:59pm  
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 5:34pm:
"muslims" are not some secret club Quantum, they are a disparate group of unlike individuals scattered throughout the world. Why must we persist with this rubbish? Probably because it helps your prejudice to engage in outgroup homogeneity.

As I've said before, I identify far more with such people as sprint and FD and even you than I do extremist nutjobs who call themselves muslim. My responsibility is with my own family, my own community and my own country. Not some backward hicks whose values and culture are diametrically opposed to my own.


When Australian Muslims slaughter innocent people in the name of Islam, Gandalf is torn. As a fellow Australian, he is partly responsible for the actions of the Muslim. As a fellow Muslim, it has nothing to do with him.
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Reply #25 - Jan 12th, 2015 at 2:03pm  
freediver wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 9:59pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11th, 2015 at 5:34pm:
"muslims" are not some secret club Quantum, they are a disparate group of unlike individuals scattered throughout the world. Why must we persist with this rubbish? Probably because it helps your prejudice to engage in outgroup homogeneity.

As I've said before, I identify far more with such people as sprint and FD and even you than I do extremist nutjobs who call themselves muslim. My responsibility is with my own family, my own community and my own country. Not some backward hicks whose values and culture are diametrically opposed to my own.


When Australian Muslims slaughter innocent people in the name of Islam, Gandalf is torn. As a fellow Australian, he is partly responsible for the actions of the Muslim. As a fellow Muslim, it has nothing to do with him.

Grin

Just so.

But in Gandy's defence, his response in this respect is typical. Divided loyalties do discombobulate.
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Reply #26 - Jan 14th, 2015 at 3:07pm  
Divided loyalties?

My loyalty is 100% to my country as a citizen of a democratic society, and to my own family and community. 100%

I have no responsibility or loyalty to this indefinable "muslim world" or "Islam" (whatever the hell that is). My religious beliefs are my own and don't conflict in any way to my duties and loyalties to my community and country. You people are nothing more than rabble rousers attempting to drive a wedge in society where there is none.

Perhaps one of you can explain how my personal beliefs - which totally reject any of the sort of violence and intolerance you claim I am part of - makes me "responsible" for these terrorists any more than yours.
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Reply #27 - Jan 14th, 2015 at 3:21pm  
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 14th, 2015 at 3:07pm:
Divided loyalties?

My loyalty is 100% to my country as a citizen of a democratic society, and to my own family and community. 100%


You should try to get the old boy on board. He's loyal to some vague notion of a besieged West. It's headquarters is in the Old Country - another abstract that doesn't exist anymore.

Maybe your words will inspire him to join Team Australia, G.
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Reply #28 - Jan 14th, 2015 at 5:38pm  
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 14th, 2015 at 3:07pm:
Divided loyalties?

My loyalty is 100% to my country as a citizen of a democratic society, and to my own family and community. 100%

I have no responsibility or loyalty to this indefinable "muslim world" or "Islam" (whatever the hell that is). My religious beliefs are my own and don't conflict in any way to my duties and loyalties to my community and country. You people are nothing more than rabble rousers attempting to drive a wedge in society where there is none.

Perhaps one of you can explain how my personal beliefs - which totally reject any of the sort of violence and intolerance you claim I am part of - makes me "responsible" for these terrorists any more than yours.


I appreciate your efforts to distance yourself from Islam Gandalf, but denying any knowledge of what it is takes things a bit too far, don't you think?
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Reply #29 - Jan 14th, 2015 at 6:08pm  
I am not responsible for nutjobs for their personal beliefs FD - especially when those beliefs are the polar opposite to mine. If I saw a crime happening and I looked the other way, then yes, you might have something on me. Otherwise, there is no worldwide 'muslim club' where we all look out for and cover each other. Its a fantasy. I am a citizen of a nation and member of a community - thats where my responsibilities and loyalties lie.
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