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Reply #30 - Jan 14th, 2015 at 9:56pm
 
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I am not responsible for nutjobs for their personal beliefs FD - especially when those beliefs are the polar opposite to mine.


They are not the polar opposite. In the spectrum of views, yours are a bit less nutty, but also more opaque, even to yourself. You see them as polar opposite because you try so hard to attach your identity to the civilised world, but it is an uneasy marriage, in which you find yourself insisting you do not even know what Islam is.

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Otherwise, there is no worldwide 'muslim club' where we all look out for and cover each other. Its a fantasy.


Does Islam not command you to look favourably upon the actions of your fellow Muslim?

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I am a citizen of a nation and member of a community - thats where my responsibilities and loyalties lie.


You put an accident of birth above your chosen religion?
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Reply #31 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 12:14am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 14th, 2015 at 9:56pm:
In the spectrum of views, yours are a bit less nutty, but also more opaque, even to yourself. You see them as polar opposite because you try so hard to attach your identity to the civilised world, but it is an uneasy marriage, in which you find yourself insisting you do not even know what Islam is.


The problem here FD is that you are the most ignorant of islam here - you claim earlier today about child sex being promoted by the Quran is a case in point. And mostly you are proud of this ignorance - you wear it as a badge of honour. You make a point of not learning or understanding islamic concepts, instead referring to "the x-box thing" or "the tent thing" etc. So you are the last person to judge who is and isn't knowledgable on islam. Yet you think you can make these calls because you have something even better than first hand knowledge of islam - you have the third hand knowledge of what Abu said - or in this case, what you say Abu said, but mostly didn't. For you and so many here, Islam is a completely static ideology with exactly one interpretation - the extremist version. And if a self-proclaimed muslim doesn't agree with the head-hackers version, they are a) not a real muslim and b) ignorant of islam. Thats why you go out of your way to not learn islam first hand, and instead cherry pick incriminating quotes from Abu and/or mad Saudi clerics. And anyone who is not on board with your version - especially muslims - they are simply dismissed as ignorant of Islam and/or not real muslims.

freediver wrote on Jan 14th, 2015 at 9:56pm:
Does Islam not command you to look favourably upon the actions of your fellow Muslim?


no - and thanks for proving my point yet again.
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #32 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 8:36am
 
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The problem here FD is that you are the most ignorant of islam here


I have caught you out a few times on basic facts about Muhammed.

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you claim earlier today about child sex being promoted by the Quran is a case in point.


Whose example does the Koran suggest you follow? A man who had sex with little girls, or a man who did not have sex with little girls?

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You make a point of not learning or understanding islamic concepts, instead referring to "the x-box thing" or "the tent thing" etc.


True, these are very important aspects of Islam that I couldn't care less about. Have you done your pilgrimage to the xbox thing yet? I'm glad you lot wear clothes when you do it, unlike the pagans you are emulating.

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you have the third hand knowledge of what Abu said


I have his actual words. I can quote and link them for you. How is this "third hand"?

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For you and so many here, Islam is a completely static ideology with exactly one interpretation


Did Brian give you the idea of chanting this little line of BS?
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Reply #33 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:42am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 14th, 2015 at 6:08pm:
I am not responsible for nutjobs for their personal beliefs FD

You are responsible for Islam producing such a massive number of nutjobs. You are not solely responsible - but nor are you unaccountable. The 'vast majority' is accountable for the possibility flourishing of the very significant islamic nutjobs sans frontier.

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Reply #34 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 10:18am
 

Any muslim and any terrorist are birds of the same feather.
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Reply #35 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 10:35am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 10:18am:
Any muslim and any terrorist are birds of the same feather.


Tar and feather them.
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Reply #36 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 6:59pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 8:36am:
I have caught you out a few times on basic facts about Muhammed.


Let me guess - Gandalf didn't know Muhammad had sex slaves? It is not ignorance, it simply isn't true. I have provided evidence for my contention on this before. What else FD? For someone who repeatedly insisted that Muhammad's marriage to Aisha is in the Quran, I don't think you have much credibility on this subject.

freediver wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 8:36am:
I have his actual words. I can quote and link them for you. How is this "third hand"?


You misunderstand. Abu's knowledge is third hand. He cherry picks the bits out of it from some schmuck's summary of the Quran (I doubt he has actually read the whole thing). You then cherry pick from him all the incriminating bits, and voila - we have the undisputed facts of Islam according to FD.
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Reply #37 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 7:16pm
 
Dear Gandalf,

what parts of the Quran do you disagree with?
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Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Reply #38 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 7:44pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 6:59pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 8:36am:
I have caught you out a few times on basic facts about Muhammed.


Let me guess - Gandalf didn't know Muhammad had sex slaves? It is not ignorance, it simply isn't true. I have provided evidence for my contention on this before. What else FD? For someone who repeatedly insisted that Muhammad's marriage to Aisha is in the Quran, I don't think you have much credibility on this subject.

freediver wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 8:36am:
I have his actual words. I can quote and link them for you. How is this "third hand"?


You misunderstand. Abu's knowledge is third hand. He cherry picks the bits out of it from some schmuck's summary of the Quran (I doubt he has actually read the whole thing). You then cherry pick from him all the incriminating bits, and voila - we have the undisputed facts of Islam according to FD.


Actually, FD’s research method is to quote all the incriminating bits Abu didn’t say.

Abu, do you think Muhammed was a paedophile?

Silence.

Abu, do you think Muhammed tortured that Jew for his gold?

Silence.

Abu, are you, or have you ever been, a despicable Muselman?

Silence.

You see? Proof. FD wins every time.
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Reply #39 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 10:02pm
 
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You misunderstand. Abu's knowledge is third hand. He cherry picks the bits out of it from some schmuck's summary of the Quran (I doubt he has actually read the whole thing). You then cherry pick from him all the incriminating bits, and voila - we have the undisputed facts of Islam according to FD.


It is incriminating because it is what he and many other Muslims believe. Furthermore, at least he picks from the Koran. When you 'interpreted' Muhammed command to kill gay people (both the giver and the taker) to not actually be a command to kill gay people, you were not picking from the Koran. You were making it up as you go along. So it's a bit rich for you to criticise Abu's knowledge of Islam.
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Reply #40 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 10:38pm
 
FD, are you, or have you ever been, a Muslim.apologist?

Answer the question.
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Reply #41 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 10:52pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 7:16pm:
Dear Gandalf,

what parts of the Quran do you disagree with?


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Reply #42 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 10:54pm
 
He disagrees with the bit about following Muhammed's example.
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Reply #43 - Jan 16th, 2015 at 8:03am
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 10:38pm:
FD, are you, or have you ever been, a Muslim.apologist?

Answer the question.


Answer the question, FD, or find yourself guilty of contempt.
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Reply #44 - Jan 16th, 2015 at 12:39pm
 
Lionel Edriess wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 10:52pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 7:16pm:
Dear Gandalf,

what parts of the Quran do you disagree with?


Smiley

Mmmmm?






Gandalf will ignore that one.       ( I got him )
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