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Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Reply #45 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 3:44pm

Bobby I don't disagree with any of the Quran. What a dumb question.

freediver wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:02pm:

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You misunderstand. Abu's knowledge is third hand. He cherry picks the bits out of it from some schmuck's summary of the Quran (I doubt he has actually read the whole thing). You then cherry pick from him all the incriminating bits, and voila - we have the undisputed facts of Islam according to FD.

It is incriminating because it is what he and many other Muslims believe. Furthermore, at least he picks from the Koran. When you 'interpreted' Muhammed command to kill gay people (both the giver and the taker) to not actually be a command to kill gay people, you were not picking from the Koran. You were making it up as you go along. So it's a bit rich for you to criticise Abu's knowledge of Islam.

There is no Quranic command to kill gays - there you go again. It is a mistake to assume my beliefs compel me to be beholden to any hadith (I have explained my position on this in detail) - but it is an even bigger mistake to continually conflate ahadith with the Quran - as you continue to do.

Isn't it funny though you pick out all the "silly" mental gymnastics Gandalf supposedly does, but ignore those done by Abu et al. They claim apostasy and blasphemy are strictly prohibited and punishable by death. This is despite multiple Quranic commands saying a) no compulsion in religion and b) personal beliefs are exactly, and strictly that - personal. Not to mention not a single mention of any worldly punishments for blasphemers and apostates in the Quran. I'm having to fend off these idiots with one hand while fending off the atheists and other non-muslims cheering them on from the sidelines.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Reply #46 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 3:56pm

Gandalf,
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Bobby I don't disagree with any of the Quran. What a dumb question.

Dear Gandalf,

I haven't read it.
Tell me -
So there is nothing in there about beheading non-believers
or killing apostates or Jews?
Nothing about cruel punishments whatsoever?
Nothing about taking up the sword to spread Islam?

I'm interested as to where all the ISIS ideology came from?

cheers
Sir Bobby

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Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Reply #48 - Jan 17^th, 2015 at 9:01am

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Isn't it funny though you pick out all the "silly" mental gymnastics Gandalf supposedly does, but ignore those done by Abu et al.

We are saving them for when he returns from Syria. No point criticising his logic when he is not here to explain it. Even when he was here he was wary of discussing it. I recall you tried very hard to avoid any serious discussion with him while he was here.

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I'm having to fend off these idiots with one hand while fending off the atheists and other non-muslims cheering them on from the sidelines.

Welcome to Islam brother. Be thankful you are using hands and not the traditional swords. Where exactly is all this fending going on?

In their defense, you can read a lot into the bit about following Muhammed's example.

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Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Reply #49 - Jan 17^th, 2015 at 9:12am

I believe we can blame Saudi Arabia for all the trouble.

Why can't they show the true "religion" of Islam -
where Jesus is mentioned many times & his message of forgiveness
& also the idea of Allah the merciful.
They are supposed to be the protectors of Islam's most Holy places.

Instead they abuse human rights -
they cut off peoples heads
they flog journalists & bloggers etc.

Why can't Saudi Arabia use it's huge army to defeat ISIS?

Saudi Arabia stands back & does nothing about ISIS.

One day ISIS will attack them & will be too late.

Islam is full of hypocrites.

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Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Reply #50 - Jan 17^th, 2015 at 2:07pm

freediver wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 9:01am:

I recall you tried very hard to avoid any serious discussion with him while he was here.

As usual, you recall wrong.

freediver wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 9:01am:

In their defense, you can read a lot into the bit about following Muhammed's example.

Yes, as long as they follow exclusively your BS rape and pillage version

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Muslims attack Kosher supermarket in Paris
Reply #52 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 8:25pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 3:56pm:

Gandalf,
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Bobby I don't disagree with any of the Quran. What a dumb question.

Dear Gandalf,

I haven't read it.
Tell me -
So there is nothing in there about beheading non-believers
or killing apostates or Jews?
Nothing about cruel punishments whatsoever?
Nothing about taking up the sword to spread Islam?

I'm interested as to where all the ISIS ideology came from?

cheers
Sir Bobby

Dear Sir Bobby, just a quick note on your above questions whilst the wand elf gets his Sunni Shi'ite Stuff in a pile.

In the Arabic language, one word QATL with its DERIVATIVES can mean all of the following:
Fight: Qital, Kifah, 'Airak, Harb, etc
Kill: Qatl, Thabh, Jazr
Murder: Qatl
Slaughter: Thabh, Jazr
Slay: Qatl
KILL, MURDER, FIGHT, COMBAT, SLAY, PUT TO DEATH, SLAUGHTER, ETC.

Invariably, the interpreters of the Quran use the more 'sanitised' terms to convey a more moderate connotation. This word Qital, Qatl, Qatala, Yaqtulu, Youqatilou, is usually used against all those who do not believe in Muhammad and his Quran.
This word and its derivatives are repeated in the Quran and Ahadith at least 35,213 times.

The wand elf also commented on Gays, was it more half truths?

Allah Most High says: "Do you approach the males of humanity, leaving the wives that Allah has created for you? But you are a people who transgress" Koran (26:165-66)

(1) The Prophet (saws) said: (1) "Kill the one who sodomizes and the one who lets if be done to him." (Tirmidhi, a sahih (authentic) hadith)

(2) "May Allah curse him who does that Lot's people did." (Ibn Hibban, sahih (authentic))

(3) "Lesbianism by women is adultery between them." (Tabarani, sahih)"

Just a few links Sir Bobby, until the wand elf returns.

http://infidelsarecool.com/2006/12/overwhelming-evidence-of-i/

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Themes/jihad_passages.html

http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/homosexuality.htm

http://www.inthenameofallah.org/Fight%20OR%20Kill%20in%20the%20Quran.html

Now the apologists crap.

Praise be to Allaah.

We have already stated in question no. 34830 that jihad is of two types: taking the initiative in fighting and jihad in self-defence.

Undoubtedly taking the initiative in fighting has a great effect in spreading Islam and bringing people into the religion of Allaah in crowds. Hence the hearts of the enemies of Islam are filled with fear of jihad.

http://islamqa.info/en/43087

"""I tell them, "Islam declared the WAR ON TERRORISM - over 1,400 years ago!"""

Where did that Shi ite come from but.................... Roll Eyes

http://www.justaskislam.com/32/does-islam-say-kill-the-infidels/ii

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