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Reply #90 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 9:10pm

who likes the french anyway, nobody. They couldnt give a sh!t about us in their nuke testing, brutalised and tortured the Algerian population. They let in so many Muslim Algerians and disenfranchised them, the French are now reaping what they sowed. They also have no problem with shipping billions of dollars of arms to the middle east each year. fck em.

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Reply #91 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 9:17pm

ian wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 9:01pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 8:43pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 8:36pm:

ian wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 7:27pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 6:40pm:

ian wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 1:47pm:

red baron wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 9:06am:

Just a point here...When Monty Python came out and satirised Christ , did the Christian World rise up and destroy the BBC?

I don't so Tim

So? I have an aquaintance whom is seriously overweight, I dont disparage fat people or make jokes about his weight, thats because I know he doesnt like it and I respect it. I dont see this issue any differently. Muslims find caricatures of their prophet extremely disrespectful, the French journalists involved were deliberately provocative in my opinion.

provocative... and the penalty for that should be a strongly worded email or a phone call or 20 protestors waving handmade placards.

Being provocative is what writers and cartoonists are meant to be - except in North Korea.

who cares? dont make caricatures of a religious figure knowing that you are going to greatly offend them for no other reason than you can. See how easy it is? Just involves a little respect for your fellow man, of course you dont understand that.

and I think you are an arsehole. So should I drive over there and shoot you because you offend me?

Gizmo is right and you are, as always, wrong.

So, ian, how long do you think it would take to find 10 caricatures of Jesus (that no-one has been murdered over) on the internet??

Dont care, because Im not looking to deliberatly offend anyone. Got it?

Not the reason I said it...The actual point is, almost every other religion has had jokes and/or caricatures portraying major figures in said religion published, or shown/told on tv and in movies without anyone storming the publisher/production company headquarters and killing, or attempting to kill the people involved.

If a simple cartoon or caricature upsets these people THAT much, perhaps they should have themselves committed to a hospital??

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Reply #92 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 9:20pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 9:03pm:

ian wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 8:57pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 8:08pm:

ian wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 8:03pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 7:41pm:

ian wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 7:14pm:

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Oh, and this is about the very essence of 'freedom of speech'...

no its not. If it was then all the internet heroes sounding off here would be doing it in public.

No it's about the magazine having the 'freedom of speech' to publish something that some people might disagree with...

thats not what the magazine did, try again.

No?? what did they do then, (apart from publishing cartoons that offended Muslims)????

better, nearly got it. They deliberately set out to offend Muslims by publishing the most offensive caricatures they could about Islam. Methinks there is an agenda, but then Im not as smart as you gizmo.

Yeah, well I knew that.

Tell me though, how many people were killed as a result of making 'The Life of Brian'??
And how many death threats/attacks did Dave Allen receive??

How many people were killed when martin scorcesee made the controversial film, THE LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST in 1988, where willem dafoe played jesus christ in which he liked to visit brothels, ?????? HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE KILLED FROM THAT.

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: we are Charlie? .. BS cowards.. >:( Reply #93 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 9:23pm we have already established the killers were blood thirsty mental cases gizmo, and we all know the killings were done in the name of religion. try to keep up.
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Reply #94 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 9:25pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 9:17pm:

[ people involved.

If a simple cartoon or caricature upsets these people THAT much, perhaps they should have themselves committed to a hospital??

More than a hospital, but again thats not the point. Theres only 1 real issue here and it isnt freedom of speech. This could not have happened in Australia, do you know why?

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Reply #98 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 10:48pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 9:27pm:

ian wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 9:23pm:

we have already established the killers were blood thirsty mental cases gizmo, and we all know the killings were done in the name of religion. try to keep up.

So will you NOW condemn the particular religion involved??

All i can see so far is a few nut cases killing in the name of religion. I condemn their actions. According to the media they were low IQ with little prospects in life.

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Reply #100 - Jan 13^th, 2015 at 5:28am

ian wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 9:10pm:

who likes the french anyway, nobody. They couldnt give a sh!t about us in their nuke testing, brutalised and tortured the Algerian population. They let in so many Muslim Algerians and disenfranchised them, the French are now reaping what they sowed. They also have no problem with shipping billions of dollars of arms to the middle east each year. fck em.

Charles de Gaulle wanted to keep the Muslims out of France.

Same thing in Britain after the war.

But then both the UK and France were taken over by a new breed of university-trained political elite who were soaked in international socialist multiculturalist idealism and One World ideology.

Patriots like Charles de Gaulle and Enoch Powell who wanted to preserve their homelands for their own people were dismissed by this new breed of tertiary-educated middle-class guilt-trippers as 'bigots', 'xenophobes', 'racists', 'fascists', and 'white supremacists' ...

.... with the disastrous results we are witnessing today.

London no longer a majority white city ... The UK a training ground for Islamic terrorists ... The jails of France and the UK bulging with Muslims ... Paris playing host to Muslim ghettoes where the police dare not tread ... Europe's Muslim population percentage increasing by the year ... The most popular birth-name in several cities now 'Mohammad' ... Calls for Shariah Law ... A dozen outspoken European politicians under 24/7 Death Watch by security guards due to death threats from Muslims ... and 22% of Britain's second largest city Birmingham are now Muslims ... etc etc.

The post-war Garage Sale that was made of Britain by its socialist politicians is something that has never before been witnessed in recorded history.

Those politicians still alive from those decisive years back there in the mid-50's should be dragged from their beds and arraigned before Peoples Courts to face trial for treason ... and then hanged like they did with Lord Haw Haw.

The political class of Australia have for years been busy keeping this country on-track to become another Britain

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Reply #101 - Jan 13^th, 2015 at 5:58am

The only stand out from this Bolt escapade is that he is, as usual, coming at it from the wrong end.

The "fall out" from this mindless slaughter by a couple of Muslim fanatics is that many from both the apparent Right and apparent Left have found some common ground, well that is at least apart from the fanatics.

Ironically, Charlie Hedbo is a left wing publication, apparently.

It is also a satirical publication that pokes fun anywhere and everywhere and, it is non conformist...

Therefore, it will no doubt ruffle feathers in more than a few quarters. The fact that one of those quarters has a population of maniacs willing to kill is, seemingly, all the more reason for satire. Yeah sure, poking the bear I get it.

That is the nature though of non conformist satire.

What Mr Bolt has tried on here (with some fanatical success it would seem from postings here at least) is to drive a wedge in a keep that left right divide amped up and just as fanatical as ever. The only thing missing is the guns and strap on self bomb kits.

On the other hand though, it is nice to see Mr Bolt doing some hand wringing over the murder of some left wing cartoonists.

So, according to Mr Bolt, the left a driving some "gutless surrender" yet, Charlie Hedbo, and left wing journal, was at the forefront last week of the "attack" as it were. Unusual demonstration of surrender.

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Reply #102 - Jan 13^th, 2015 at 6:31am

Phemanderac wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 5:58am:

The only stand out from this Bolt escapade is that he is, as usual, coming at it from the wrong end.

The "fall out" from this mindless slaughter by a couple of Muslim fanatics is that many from both the apparent Right and apparent Left have found some common ground, well that is at least apart from the fanatics.

Ironically, Charlie Hedbo is a left wing publication, apparently.

It is also a satirical publication that pokes fun anywhere and everywhere and, it is non conformist...

Therefore, it will no doubt ruffle feathers in more than a few quarters. The fact that one of those quarters has a population of maniacs willing to kill is, seemingly, all the more reason for satire. Yeah sure, poking the bear I get it.

That is the nature though of non conformist satire.

What Mr Bolt has tried on here (with some fanatical success it would seem from postings here at least) is to drive a wedge in a keep that left right divide amped up and just as fanatical as ever. The only thing missing is the guns and strap on self bomb kits.

On the other hand though, it is nice to see Mr Bolt doing some hand wringing over the murder of some left wing cartoonists.

So, according to Mr Bolt, the left a driving some "gutless surrender" yet, Charlie Hedbo, and left wing journal, was at the forefront last week of the "attack" as it were. Unusual demonstration of surrender.

Same old same old ..... "it's just a couple of fanatics"

"if you poke the bear/tiger/sleeping giant" etc. etc

BS .... it's not just a few/couple/a small minority

it's millions ...... globally it's in the 100's of millions.

After all there are over 2.8 billion Muslims world wide & if just 15% were fundamentalists that 308 million.

The population of the USA is only 316 million by comparison.

The majority of Germans were not Nazis but at the end of the day they were irrelevant.

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Reply #103 - Jan 13^th, 2015 at 6:37am

Phemanderac wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 5:58am:

The only stand out from this Bolt escapade is that he is, as usual, coming at it from the wrong end.

The "fall out" from this mindless slaughter...

Right from the beginning you make a grave error in referring to these well-considered executions as 'mindless slaughter'. You've been reading too many cheap tabloids.

Start to think for yourself.

Phemanderac wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 5:58am:

... by a couple of Muslim fanatics ...

Again, you're helping Islam avoid accountability for what happened.

'Fanatics' can correctly read as 'devout Muslims who take their religion seriously'. Just because the majority of Muslims are remiss in adhering strictly to the teachings of the Koran does not mean that those who do are therefore 'fanatics'.

Phemanderac wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 5:58am:

On the other hand though, it is nice to see Mr Bolt doing some hand wringing over the murder of some left wing cartoonists.

It was a Leftwing journal in as much as it pilloried anything they perceived to be 'rightwing' and 'fascist' - in this case, and very correctly - just ordinary non-extremist Islam. The Islam of the Great Majority ... ie. don't depict the prophet in imagery.

Needless to say, what happened to these cartoonists was utterly predictable, and no surprise to any one except the most naive.

They even had a couple of totally useless token police officers stationed outside the offices. And the experience of Denmark was a 'Don't Swim in these Dangerous Waters' beach sign that they stupidly ignored and for which they paid the ultimate penalty.

'Je Suis Charlie' is a confession of utter stupidity in a world under siege from activist devout Muslims.

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Reply #104 - Jan 13^th, 2015 at 6:38am

Gnads wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 6:31am:

Phemanderac wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 5:58am:

The only stand out from this Bolt escapade is that he is, as usual, coming at it from the wrong end.

The "fall out" from this mindless slaughter by a couple of Muslim fanatics is that many from both the apparent Right and apparent Left have found some common ground, well that is at least apart from the fanatics.

Ironically, Charlie Hedbo is a left wing publication, apparently.

It is also a satirical publication that pokes fun anywhere and everywhere and, it is non conformist...

Therefore, it will no doubt ruffle feathers in more than a few quarters. The fact that one of those quarters has a population of maniacs willing to kill is, seemingly, all the more reason for satire. Yeah sure, poking the bear I get it.

That is the nature though of non conformist satire.

What Mr Bolt has tried on here (with some fanatical success it would seem from postings here at least) is to drive a wedge in a keep that left right divide amped up and just as fanatical as ever. The only thing missing is the guns and strap on self bomb kits.

On the other hand though, it is nice to see Mr Bolt doing some hand wringing over the murder of some left wing cartoonists.

So, according to Mr Bolt, the left a driving some "gutless surrender" yet, Charlie Hedbo, and left wing journal, was at the forefront last week of the "attack" as it were. Unusual demonstration of surrender.

Same old same old ..... "it's just a couple of fanatics"

"if you poke the bear/tiger/sleeping giant" etc. etc

BS .... it's not just a few/couple/a small minority

it's millions ...... globally it's in the 100's of millions.

After all there are over 2.8 billion Muslims world wide & if just 15% were fundamentalists that 308 million.

The population of the USA is only 316 million by comparison.

The majority of Germans were not Nazis but at the end of the day they were irrelevant.

My apoligies I see your confusion.

I was not referring to the global epidemic of terrorism by my use of a "couple" I was directly referring to this specific instance. My apologies for not making that clear...

My point though, Mr Bolt got it pretty wrong in his rampant frothing at the mouth "opinion". A left wing journal/cartoon was attacked by a pair of Muslim fanatics... However, this is not a left v right issue. The reason Mr Bolt got it soooooo wrong was due to his effort to be so Right!

All he has been is divisive, nothing of value there and, arguably, that is playing Right into the hands of the terrorists that some are so mind numbingly afraid of.

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