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Aren't the Greens the party of conscience?
Jan 12^th, 2015 at 2:10pm

Increase to poker machine note allowance will not inflate problem gambling: ACT Government

12 Jan 2015, 11:10am

The ACT Government has defended a decision to increase the dollar value of notes that gamblers can feed into poker machines.

Just before Christmas, the Government increased the note limit from $20 to $50, prompting concerns from welfare organisations that it would encourage problem gambling.

Monash University gambling researcher Dr Charles Livingstone told 666 ABC Canberra, recent Australian research had been conducted on note limits.

"In Queensland a few years ago they altered the note acceptor configuration so the machines would only accept $20 notes up to the value of $100," he said.

"And that had a big impact on both expenditure and the behaviour of people with gambling problems.

"So we do know that changing the configuration of the acceptors actually does have an impact on people's spending patterns."

He warned that the more money people could spend on machines, the faster the onset of a gambling problem as people tried to chase losses.

"People who are in the grip of a gambling problem or are starting one, tend to lose control of just how much money they can spend, and spend everything they have got and then some," Dr Livingstone said.

Gaming Minister Joy Burch made the decision to raise the machine note limit, but denied it would increase gambling problems.

"We've been working with the clubs over the last few years to make sure we maintain a stringent harm minimisation approach but also keep them competitive with NSW clubs," she said.

"But recognise that the vast majority of people who go in to clubs do so because they offer great entertainment, a safe environment and good hospitality."

Chief Minister Andrew Barr said the ACT Government had done a lot to tackle problem gambling including a reduction in poker machine numbers.

"We've enacted the strongest harm minimisation regime that this territory has ever seen," he said

"So there's a number of measures that are complementary in terms of enhancing our approach to harm minimisation, chief amongst that is a significant reduction in the number of poker machines in the territory and that's an important outcome."

Poker machines in NSW have no limit on the notes they accept, while Victorian and Queensland pokies accept $50 notes.

In South Australia only coins can be used in machines.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Aren't the Greens the party of conscience? Reply #1 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 2:34pm Quote: Aren't the Greens the party of conscience Ha.....well they are certainly trying to ' con ' people with ' science '......
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Reply #2 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 3:50pm

Seems like SA are the only ones with the right idea.

Limits on how much you can put in, and caps on how much you can pull out
are the way to go, given that we'll never get rid of them altogether.

People will 'blow' far more while chasing a $1,000,000 jackpot than they will
chasing a $5000 one.

But the biggest stumbling-block to any meaningful reform is the fact that
state governments pull so much 'money for jam' from them. They won't
give that up without a fight.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59248 Here Gender:	Re: Aren't the Greens the party of conscience? Reply #3 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 3:56pm Maybe not concern yourself so much with the greens conscience but be concerned about the liberals obvious substantial lack of.
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Aren't the Greens the party of conscience? Reply #4 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 5:06pm No, the Greens are only the 'party of conscience' for the bigger,more media worthy, concepts...The ordinary stuff doesn't even appear on they're radar...
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Aren't the Greens the party of conscience? Reply #5 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 5:08pm Dnarever wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 3:56pm: ]Maybe not concern yourself so much with the greens conscience but be concerned about the liberals obvious substantial lack of.[/highlight] But the Liberals don't 'pretend' to be the 'moral arbiters' for ALL of Australia..
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Reply #6 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 5:13pm

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 2:10pm:

We've been working with the clubs over the last few years to make sure we maintain a stringent harm minimisation approach but also keep them competitive with NSW clubs," she said.

"But recognise that the vast majority of people who go in to clubs do so because they offer great entertainment, a safe environment and good hospitality."

Chief Minister Andrew Barr said the ACT Government had done a lot to tackle problem gambling including a reduction in poker machine numbers.

"We've enacted the strongest harm minimisation regime that this territory has ever seen," he said

hilarious... they dont see the contradictions.....so funny.. they have been working with the CLUBS...do they up the paper money by $30...but its all harm minimisation...... HILARIOUS>

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Reply #7 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 5:16pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 5:08pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 3:56pm:

]Maybe not concern yourself so much with the greens conscience but be concerned about the liberals obvious substantial lack of.[/highlight]

But the Liberals don't 'pretend' to be the 'moral arbiters' for ALL of Australia..

the greens are the biggest ratbags... dont do as I DO just do as I say Party...

they have sold off just about every nit of green space in Canberra...disgraceful and they put whopping big fences around spots where trees once grew.. so people cannot see them being cut down...you have no idea..how artful and devious they are..

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Reply #8 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 5:18pm

cods wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 5:16pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 5:08pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 3:56pm:

]Maybe not concern yourself so much with the greens conscience but be concerned about the liberals obvious substantial lack of.[/highlight]

But the Liberals don't 'pretend' to be the 'moral arbiters' for ALL of Australia..

the greens are the biggest ratbags... dont do as I DO just do as I say Party...

they have sold off just about every nit of green space in Canberra...disgraceful and they put whopping big fences around spots where trees once grew.. so people cannot see them being cut down...you have no idea..how artful and devious they are..

Oh YES, I actually DO..

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #9 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 5:25pm

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"We've been working with the clubs over the last few years to … keep them competitive with NSW clubs," Gaming Minister Joy Burch said.
Poker machines in NSW have no limit on the notes they accept, while Victorian and Queensland pokies accept $50 notes.

... and THERE ... lies

"the PROBLEM"

Victoria reluctantly went in to the pokie business on the realisation gamblers were going to pour the contents of their pockets into these blights on society - whether in Victoria, or ELSEWHERE

For MANY years NSW pokie clubs had run "courtesy buses" to pick up Victorian gamblers in the morning, take them across the NSW border to a licenced pokie den - and get them back by early evening
The return bus trip was "free" - as was lunch

So Victoria WAS developing a gambling problem - but the NSW Governments were picking up the spoils

The ACT has a similar dilemma

NSW is a hop and a jump - from ACT anywhere
The ONLY way the ACT government can help and support its OWN gambling dens - is to try and match the terms and conditions of the "neighbours"

And by driving its gamblers across the border the ACT Government is handing all that tax revenue to NSW

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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: Aren't the Greens the party of conscience? Reply #10 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 5:26pm www.parliament.act.gov.au/members/eighth-assembly-members/brindabella/joy-burch Joy BURCH Australian Labor Party, Brindabella Electorate Quote: Gaming Minister Joy Burch made the decision to raise the machine note limit, but denied it would increase gambling problems.
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Re: Aren't the Greens the party of conscience?
Reply #11 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 6:15pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 5:25pm:

Quote:

"We've been working with the clubs over the last few years to … keep them competitive with NSW clubs," Gaming Minister Joy Burch said.
Poker machines in NSW have no limit on the notes they accept, while Victorian and Queensland pokies accept $50 notes.

... and THERE ... lies

"the PROBLEM"

Victoria reluctantly went in to the pokie business on the realisation gamblers were going to pour the contents of their pockets into these blights on society - whether in Victoria, or ELSEWHERE

For MANY years NSW pokie clubs had run "courtesy buses" to pick up Victorian gamblers in the morning, take them across the NSW border to a licenced pokie den - and get them back by early evening
The return bus trip was "free" - as was lunch

So Victoria WAS developing a gambling problem - but the NSW Governments were picking up the spoils

The ACT has a similar dilemma

NSW is a hop and a jump - from ACT anywhere
The ONLY way the ACT government can help and support its OWN gambling dens - is to try and match the terms and conditions of the "neighbours"

And by driving its gamblers across the border the ACT Government is handing all that tax revenue to NSW

how gullible are you... RELUCTANTLY???

you believe anything that suits your love of labor. Labor introduced pokies to the country and we are by far the biggest pokie player son the planet.

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Reply #12 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 6:25pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 5:08pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 3:56pm:

]Maybe not concern yourself so much with the greens conscience but be concerned about the liberals obvious substantial lack of.[/highlight]

But the Liberals don't 'pretend' to be the 'moral arbiters' for ALL of Australia..

You missed the 2013 federal election campaign and the Gillard term of government.

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Reply #13 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 6:28pm

bogarde73 wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 2:10pm:

We've been working with the clubs over the last few years to make sure we maintain a stringent harm minimisation approach but also keep them competitive with NSW clubs," she said.

"But recognise that the vast majority of people who go in to clubs do so because they offer great entertainment, a safe environment and good hospitality."

Chief Minister Andrew Barr said the ACT Government had done a lot to tackle problem gambling including a reduction in poker machine numbers.

"We've enacted the strongest harm minimisation regime that this territory has ever seen," he said

They need to go to the lowest possible standard ?

It mast be so unfair to be deterred from exploiting vulnerable people.

They should have gone the other way and established the standard across the nation.

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Reply #14 - Jan 12^th, 2015 at 6:46pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 6:25pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 5:08pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 12^th, 2015 at 3:56pm:

]Maybe not concern yourself so much with the greens conscience but be concerned about the liberals obvious substantial lack of.[/highlight]

But the Liberals don't 'pretend' to be the 'moral arbiters' for ALL of Australia..

You missed the 2013 federal election campaign and the Gillard term of government.

Nice meaningless statement DNA.

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