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Reply #15 - Jan 12th, 2015 at 9:36pm
 
if they've been able get to surplus, why the need for asset sales ... why don't they just keep doing what they're doing

asset sales are never a good thing ...
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Re: Baird's $20 Billion dollar stimulus for NSW
Reply #16 - Jan 12th, 2015 at 10:04pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 12th, 2015 at 9:36pm:
if they've been able get to surplus, why the need for asset sales ... why don't they just keep doing what they're doing

asset sales are never a good thing ...


Leftistism 101


  • Regressive taxes are evil

  • Assets sales are the Boogieman

  • Debt is your comrade as long as someone else is paying for it

  • Competition increases prices


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Reply #17 - Jan 12th, 2015 at 10:27pm
 
was that seriously your reason Swag? What was that ideology one on one?


you claimed NSW is now in surplus, if so, the libs have done well to get it there. Why the need to sell rather than keep doing what they are doing? What is it with libs and selling the furniture?

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Psalms 119:163 I hate and abhor lying: but your law do I love.

Proverbs 12:22 Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are his delight.

Proverbs 13:5 A righteous man hates lying: but a wicked man is loathsome, and comes to shame.

Proverbs 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.

Proverbs 17:7 Excellent speech becomes not a fool: much less do lying lips a prince.

Hosea 11:12 Ephraim compasses me about with lies, and the house of Israel with deceit: but Judah yet rules with God, and is faithful with the saints.

Zephaniah 3:13 The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid.

John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and stayed not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Acts 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

Ephesians 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace to the hearers.

Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that you have put off the old man with his deeds;

Timothy 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

James 3:1 My brothers, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

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Re: Baird's $20 Billion dollar stimulus for NSW
Reply #19 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 8:11am
 
Mr Baird are you not one of the first, that wanted to put the GST online sales?      Sad
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Re: Baird's $20 Billion dollar stimulus for NSW
Reply #20 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 8:11am
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 12th, 2015 at 10:27pm:
was that seriously your reason Swag? What was that ideology one on one?

you claimed NSW is now in surplus, if so, the libs have done well to get it there. Why the need to sell rather than keep doing what they are doing? What is it with libs and selling the furniture?


The budget position is a different matter John Smith.  The budget is about managing annual revenue against annual expenditure.  Perpetually spending more than one earns every year is unsustainable and not sensible policy.  That is one reason Labor got booted.

The State could borrow $20 Billion, yes, but the servicing / interest would have to be factored into the budget possibly resulting in cuts to services or increased taxes to keep the budget from blowing out and creating a debt spiral.  This is what is happening Federally because Rudd & Gillard borrowed up big and threw money at meaningless projects.  Handing out billions of dollars to welfare recipients may have propped up retail but it is now all gone on what?  Obsolete plasma TVs and smart phones and rusty used cars?  Huh  We have a schitt load of school halls and lots of fire hazardous homes too.

An asset sale realising $20 Billion in stimulus without going into massive debt like Kevin07 (and the ensuing interest costs for years into the future) and shagging the tax-payer with extra costs.

Infrastructure plans that arguably with improve productivity and provide lots of NSW jobs and consequently raise more income tax revenues and GST and stamp duty revenues for NSW.

  • The state’s schools, hospitals and water infrastructure get $1 billion each.

  • Regional NSW gets $6 billion, including $4.1 billion for regional transport, with a $500 million upgrade to the Newell highway

  • an extra $400 million into light rail for Parramatta for a total spend of $1 billion

  • $1.3 billion is allocated to “bust congestion in Sydney by boosting the productivity of the city’s roads”, including $100 million towards an expanded clearways program, $400 million for motorways, with the M4 singled out, and $300M for the “urban road pinch points” program

  • $7 billion, is allocated towards the 30km Sydney Rapid Transit rail corridor, also announced in June, which includes a second Sydney Harbour rail crossing. It includes three new CBD underground stations. Construction would begin in 2017.

  • $1.1 billion towards a new western Harbour road tunnel and extensions to WestConnex, linking it to the Anzac Bridge and Victoria Road and near Kogarah in the south, with $800 million left over towards urban public transport improvements.


All this new infrastructure will be owned by NSW.  It's simply leveraging off an asset to accumulate wealth.

Personally can't see why any sane person would be against such a plan.  Grin
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Re: Baird's $20 Billion dollar stimulus for NSW
Reply #21 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 8:16am
 

what a load of bollocks ... you should lay off the cool aid Swag. NONE of our essential services should EVER be privatised.

Saying we should sell it so we can spend the money elsewhere is not a good enough reason to sell it.
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Re: Baird's $20 Billion dollar stimulus for NSW
Reply #22 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 8:24am
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 8:16am:
what a load of bollocks ... you should lay off the cool aid Swag. NONE of our essential services should EVER be privatised.

Saying we should sell it so we can spend the money elsewhere is not a good enough reason to sell it.


Your a Queenslander now aren't you?  So your opinion doesn't matter in the Premier State... Grin
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Reply #23 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 8:43am
 
Swagman wrote on Jan 12th, 2015 at 8:28pm:
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The Premier claims the sale will drive down electricity prices. The Opposition argues it will rob the state of $1 billion in revenue annually.


The additional jobs, enterprise, infrastructure, productivity, will be worth 10x that annually.


So there permanate jobs right?

Why doesn't he just borrow the 20 bill using the states triple A rating, then use the the revenue that you state above WILL be created as well as the Billion the assets generates to service the debt?

Oh thats right it doesn't immediately boost the bottom line for next years budget or line the pockets of his mates & his own through whatever shelf companies and trusts.

Is NSW heading for a deficit???

Cant be the Libs are in power & NSW Labor left them a surplus Wink
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Re: Baird's $20 Billion dollar stimulus for NSW
Reply #24 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 8:56am
 
And wasn't the leasing of Newcastle Port (yet ANOTHER bad deal when extrapolated out over the life of the contract) for infrastructure?
That sale happened last year, what projects have been announced?
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Re: Baird's $20 Billion dollar stimulus for NSW
Reply #25 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 8:58am
 
Swagman wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 8:24am:
John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 8:16am:
what a load of bollocks ... you should lay off the cool aid Swag. NONE of our essential services should EVER be privatised.

Saying we should sell it so we can spend the money elsewhere is not a good enough reason to sell it.


Your a Queenslander now aren't you?  So your opinion doesn't matter in the Premier State... Grin


i hope to return to gods country at some point in the future ... we can't have the libs screwing it up for me.
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Reply #26 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 8:59am
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 8:56am:
That sale happened last year, what projects have been announced?


didn't the NSW MP's get a pay rise ????  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #27 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 9:26am
 
Swagman wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 8:24am:
John Smith wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 8:16am:
what a load of bollocks ... you should lay off the cool aid Swag. NONE of our essential services should EVER be privatised.

Saying we should sell it so we can spend the money elsewhere is not a good enough reason to sell it.


Your a Queenslander now aren't you?  So your opinion doesn't matter in the Premier State...


I think that many of us you included have commented on other States.
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Reply #28 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 9:41am
 
Swagman wrote on Jan 12th, 2015 at 10:04pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 12th, 2015 at 9:36pm:
if they've been able get to surplus, why the need for asset sales ... why don't they just keep doing what they're doing

asset sales are never a good thing ...


Leftistism 101


  • Regressive taxes are evil

  • Assets sales are the Boogieman

  • Debt is your comrade as long as someone else is paying for it

  • Competition increases prices


Cheesy


Conservatism 101



  • the philosophy is right and justified even though it never works.

  • Rhetoric - sounds great and doesn't need to be true.

  • Making lists of unsupportable rubbish about your opposition.

  • Anything that failed in the past should be tried again.

  • Selling assets is always the best option no matter how much you lose on the deal

  • Privatisation is always the aim even though it never works out to be a benefit.









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Re: Baird's $20 Billion dollar stimulus for NSW
Reply #29 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 10:19am
 
Swagman wrote on Jan 12th, 2015 at 9:21pm:
NSW is back on track and open for business.... Smiley






... providing the words
sustainable, renewable or clean
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This is also a condition included in approaches to the
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