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Reply #45 - Jan 17th, 2015 at 11:06am
 
Read Clive Kessler in today's Australian or on the New Mandala website.
Explains very lucidly where the 'mainstream, vast majority's' responsibilities lie. And why 'Islamophobia' is now nothing but a bludgeon to avoid that responsibility.
Excellent, constructive, thoughtful article, worth the $3.50 cover price alone.
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Reply #46 - Jan 17th, 2015 at 10:47pm
 
Pantheon wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 1:35am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 1:14am:
Pantheon wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 1:00am:
Ive heard Carpet Bombing can be quite effective.


Nice term invented by yellow journalists, Ahovking.  It is never used by military planners or the writers of military doctrine.   Mass bombing has always been a failure when it has been used.  All it does is knock down houses and make the survivors rather angry.  I was under the impression that the thread was about "curing" people, not making them worse or more of them...   Roll Eyes


Always been a failure when it has been used? The goal of saturation bombing (Which is the original military term), is too inflict damage in every part of a selected area of land, In contrast to precision bombing, it is not aimed at a small target such as a bunker, an airfield, or a military unit, instead to do mass damge to cities and importent ifastrature..

Looking at 99.9% of all cities that were saturation bombed, they were all destroyed achieving saturation bombing goal of "inflict damage in every part of a selected area of land"

Looking at Wesel for example were 97% of the city was destroyed before it was finally taken by Allied troops in 1945, it is hugely successful.



Yet, as as demonstrated, Ahovking, saturation bombing has never brought a nation to it's knees and made it sue for peace.  Invariably what it does is drives the people closer to their government and support them in their efforts to get revenge.  From WWI when the Germans first attempted the concept with Zeppelins and aicraft, through to today it hasn't worked.  Didn't work in Grozny,

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Didn't work in Hanoi

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Didn't work in Pyongyang

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Indeed, in Germany, the more the Allies bombed, war production increased.  The Allied strategy of "dehousing" the German civilian population destroyed all the non-strategic industries so suddenly more workers were freed for redeployment to war industries, Ahovking.   Roll Eyes

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Re: How to cure radical Muslims?
Reply #47 - Jan 17th, 2015 at 11:32pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 4:36am:
Pantheon wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 1:00am:
Ive heard Carpet Bombing can be quite effective.



Silly person - the radicals live amongst us in our cities.
We can't carpet bomb ourselves.
Go to the naughty corner.

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Reply #48 - Jan 18th, 2015 at 12:31am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 17th, 2015 at 10:47pm:
Pantheon wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 1:35am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 1:14am:
Pantheon wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 1:00am:
Ive heard Carpet Bombing can be quite effective.


Nice term invented by yellow journalists, Ahovking.  It is never used by military planners or the writers of military doctrine.   Mass bombing has always been a failure when it has been used.  All it does is knock down houses and make the survivors rather angry.  I was under the impression that the thread was about "curing" people, not making them worse or more of them...   Roll Eyes


Always been a failure when it has been used? The goal of saturation bombing (Which is the original military term), is too inflict damage in every part of a selected area of land, In contrast to precision bombing, it is not aimed at a small target such as a bunker, an airfield, or a military unit, instead to do mass damge to cities and importent ifastrature..

Looking at 99.9% of all cities that were saturation bombed, they were all destroyed achieving saturation bombing goal of "inflict damage in every part of a selected area of land"

Looking at Wesel for example were 97% of the city was destroyed before it was finally taken by Allied troops in 1945, it is hugely successful.



Yet, as as demonstrated, Ahovking, saturation bombing has never brought a nation to it's knees and made it sue for peace.  Invariably what it does is drives the people closer to their government and support them in their efforts to get revenge.  From WWI when the Germans first attempted the concept with Zeppelins and aicraft, through to today it hasn't worked.  Didn't work in Grozny,

http://www.siue.edu/~ejoy/Grozny%20March%201995%20(van%20Wessel).jpg

Didn't work in Hanoi

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Didn't work in Pyongyang

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Indeed, in Germany, the more the Allies bombed, war production increased.  The Allied strategy of "dehousing" the German civilian population destroyed all the non-strategic industries so suddenly more workers were freed for redeployment to war industries, Ahovking.   Roll Eyes



Seriously... saturation bombing destroy factories, human life and a nations capability to carry on the war, in Nazi Germany saturation bombing did considerable of damage to the population, and limiting Germany production capability.

Thats fact you can look up literally anywhere, saturation bombing isnt meant to win wars alone or single handily cripple a nation, it just doesn't work, yet it had a huge effect of limiting German production capability and causing huge casualty to the general population.

Now in, Hanoi, the gaol wasn't to destroy the city, like it would of been in WW2, however the goal was to attack its Railroads, warehouse complex, the Thai Nguyen power plant, a transhipment point, etc, all which was damage proving the mission of saturation bombing a success. The gaol wasn't to destroy the city.


Its a similar story in Pyongyang, Grozny,

Now you saying that "Indeed, in Germany, the more the Allies bombed, war production increased" is hugely wrong, Would you like to give me the numbers, it would be an amazing feet to see millions of germany build tanks and bulits in cities that were 90-98% flatten..  Roll Eyes
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Reply #50 - Jan 18th, 2015 at 1:16am
 
That’s unfair, Bobbie. Richard Dawkins is a bigger fundamentalist than Abu.
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Reply #51 - Jan 18th, 2015 at 8:07am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2015 at 7:24am:
I believe we can blame Saudi Arabia for all the trouble.

Why can't they  show the true "religion" of Islam -
where Jesus is mentioned many times & his message of forgiveness
& also the idea  of Allah the merciful.
They are supposed to be the protectors of Islam's most Holy places.

Instead they abuse human rights -
they cut off peoples heads
they flog journalists & bloggers etc.

Why can't Saudi Arabia use it's huge army to defeat ISIS?

Saudi Arabia stands back & does nothing about ISIS.

One day ISIS will attack them & will be too late.



I have seen a fair slice of the world and nowhere have I seen evidence of a merciful God.
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Reply #52 - Jan 18th, 2015 at 8:22am
 
issuevoter wrote on Jan 18th, 2015 at 8:07am:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2015 at 7:24am:
I believe we can blame Saudi Arabia for all the trouble.

Why can't they  show the true "religion" of Islam -
where Jesus is mentioned many times & his message of forgiveness
& also the idea  of Allah the merciful.
They are supposed to be the protectors of Islam's most Holy places.

Instead they abuse human rights -
they cut off peoples heads
they flog journalists & bloggers etc.

Why can't Saudi Arabia use it's huge army to defeat ISIS?

Saudi Arabia stands back & does nothing about ISIS.

One day ISIS will attack them & will be too late.



I have seen a fair slice of the world and nowhere have I seen evidence of a merciful God.



Well - it's a bit of a tongue in cheek exposé of Saudi Arabia -

the biggest hypocrites in the world who always talk about
Allah the merciful - & then they show no mercy.

They are fat smelly parasites who only want money & power.

The fate of them could be that ISIS kicks them out & beheads them.
They don't seem to care about what ISIS is doing in the name of their religion -

at least not until it affects them directly.

By the way - they have a huge army bristling with modern US weapons - go figure?
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Reply #53 - Jan 18th, 2015 at 6:33pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Jan 18th, 2015 at 8:07am:
I have seen a fair slice of the world and nowhere have I seen evidence of a merciful God.


Well you're still breathing aren't you?

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Reply #54 - Jan 18th, 2015 at 6:51pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2015 at 8:22am:
issuevoter wrote on Jan 18th, 2015 at 8:07am:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 17th, 2015 at 7:24am:
I believe we can blame Saudi Arabia for all the trouble.

Why can't they  show the true "religion" of Islam -
where Jesus is mentioned many times & his message of forgiveness
& also the idea  of Allah the merciful.
They are supposed to be the protectors of Islam's most Holy places.

Instead they abuse human rights -
they cut off peoples heads
they flog journalists & bloggers etc.

Why can't Saudi Arabia use it's huge army to defeat ISIS?

Saudi Arabia stands back & does nothing about ISIS.

One day ISIS will attack them & will be too late.



I have seen a fair slice of the world and nowhere have I seen evidence of a merciful God.



Well - it's a bit of a tongue in cheek exposé of Saudi Arabia -

the biggest hypocrites in the world who always talk about
Allah the merciful - & then they show no mercy.




Is this a selfish greedy Westerner criticising Saudi Arabia?

How much foreign aid does Australia give speaking of mercy?

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Between 1976 and 2006, Saudi developmental aid amounted to USD49 billion,[1] second only to the United States of America. The ODA/GNP ratio averaged 4.2% over this period, well above the highest amount provided by Development Assistance Committee countries (the DAC average is 0.35%).[2] On a per-capita basis, the country is the biggest worldwide donor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_foreign_assistance


The Saudi have donated more for ebola treatment clinics in Africa than Australia.




However, they Saudis have recently (2013) been eclipsed by their neighbours the United Arab Emirates:

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the world’s most generous country in percentage terms is the United Arab Emirates


www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/04/09/new_oecd_figures_the_surprising_country_that_gives_the_most_foreign_aid.html




Percentage of GDP spending on foreign aid 2012-3:


Australia - 0.34
UK     -      0.72
US     -       0.19
Israel   -    0.07
UAE    -     1.25
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Reply #55 - Jan 18th, 2015 at 8:23pm
 
Viceroy,
forget about all their charity -

what have they done to stop ISIS?
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Reply #56 - Jan 19th, 2015 at 5:57am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 18th, 2015 at 8:23pm:
Viceroy,
forget about all their charity -

what have they done to stop ISIS?



Fallacy of irrelevance.
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Reply #57 - Jan 19th, 2015 at 10:21am
 
Julius Abbott wrote on Jan 18th, 2015 at 6:51pm:
Percentage of GDP spending on foreign aid 2012-3:


Australia - 0.34
UK     -      0.72
US     -       0.19
Israel   -    0.07
UAE    -     1.25


Matty, what is that in real terms?  Percentage of GDP is a bit deceptive when you consider that the GDP of the US is considerably larger than that of most other nations...   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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How To Cure Radical Muslims?
 
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The Old Fashioned Way.


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Accused Boston Marathon Bomber Severely Injured In Prison,
May Never Walk Or Talk Again


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Infamous Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 21, was the victim of an “unfortunate accident” yesterday at Ft. Devens Detention Center in Massachusetts, just weeks after his high-profile trial began, according to warden Paul Jacobson.

Corrections officers reportedly found the alleged terror suspect face down in a pool of his own blood in his cell; a banana peel was found on the floor nearby.

“It initially appeared as though Tsarnaev slipped on a discarded banana peel and hit the floor with such force that his head bounced off the hard tile surface, probably 16 or 17 times. There was blood everywhere – all over the walls, the floor, even the toilet. The injuries have caused massive brain trauma,” said prison investigator Joe Goldsmith. “We determined though, through expert analysis, that it would be impossible for these injuries to have occurred through a fall. Our investigation has shown that that it was the Aryan Brotherhood who initiated an attack on Tsarnaev.”

“Yes, it was the brotherhood who took care of that bomber,” said Miles Smith, head of the Aryan Nation inside Devens. “The other gangs, they wanted him, too. We paid the guards the most money to have a shot. They stood aside, and let us do what we do. On the way out, they shook our hands, told us ‘Thank you.’ Well, You’re welcome. You’re welcome, Boston. You’re welcome, America!”

“Normally, an attack this violent, this cruel, on another inmate would get any offending party more time added to their sentence,” said warden Jacobson. “Because of the nature of Tsarnaev’s crimes, though, we have decided to actually reduce the sentences of the Aryan members who were involved. They have done our prison and our country a great service, and we appreciate it immensely. They are heroes in the eyes of not only this institution, but also in the eyes of the people of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.”

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and his older brother Tamerlan Tsarnaev were both suspected of perpetrating the Boston Marathon bombings on April 15, 2013. The bombings killed three people and reportedly injured as many as 264 others.  Shortly after the FBI named the two suspects and released images of them, the two brothers reportedly killed an MIT police officer and carjacked an SUV in a shootout with police. During the shootout, the elder brother, Tamerlan was captured but was killed when his brother drove over him with the SUV. On the evening of April 20, 2013, the wounded Dzhokhar was found unarmed and hiding in a boat on a trailer in Watertown, Massachusetts.

On January 30, 2014, United States Attorney General Eric Holder announced that the federal government would seek the death penalty against Tsarnaev. The trial had just begun on January 5, 2015, as Tsarnaev pleaded not guilty to all thirty charges filed against him.

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Sounds like a cure .......  a cure fer sure!
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Reply #59 - Feb 7th, 2015 at 1:24pm
 
Panther wrote on Jan 19th, 2015 at 8:39pm:
How To Cure Radical Muslims?
 
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Accused Boston Marathon Bomber Severely Injured In Prison,
May Never Walk Or Talk Again


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Infamous Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 21, was the victim of an “unfortunate accident” yesterday at Ft. Devens Detention Center in Massachusetts, just weeks after his high-profile trial began, according to warden Paul Jacobson.

Corrections officers reportedly found the alleged terror suspect face down in a pool of his own blood in his cell; a banana peel was found on the floor nearby.

“It initially appeared as though Tsarnaev slipped on a discarded banana peel and hit the floor with such force that his head bounced off the hard tile surface, probably 16 or 17 times. There was blood everywhere – all over the walls, the floor, even the toilet. The injuries have caused massive brain trauma,” said prison investigator Joe Goldsmith. “We determined though, through expert analysis, that it would be impossible for these injuries to have occurred through a fall. Our investigation has shown that that it was the Aryan Brotherhood who initiated an attack on Tsarnaev.”

“Yes, it was the brotherhood who took care of that bomber,” said Miles Smith, head of the Aryan Nation inside Devens. “The other gangs, they wanted him, too. We paid the guards the most money to have a shot. They stood aside, and let us do what we do. On the way out, they shook our hands, told us ‘Thank you.’ Well, You’re welcome. You’re welcome, Boston. You’re welcome, America!”

“Normally, an attack this violent, this cruel, on another inmate would get any offending party more time added to their sentence,” said warden Jacobson. “Because of the nature of Tsarnaev’s crimes, though, we have decided to actually reduce the sentences of the Aryan members who were involved. They have done our prison and our country a great service, and we appreciate it immensely. They are heroes in the eyes of not only this institution, but also in the eyes of the people of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.”

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and his older brother Tamerlan Tsarnaev were both suspected of perpetrating the Boston Marathon bombings on April 15, 2013. The bombings killed three people and reportedly injured as many as 264 others.  Shortly after the FBI named the two suspects and released images of them, the two brothers reportedly killed an MIT police officer and carjacked an SUV in a shootout with police. During the shootout, the elder brother, Tamerlan was captured but was killed when his brother drove over him with the SUV. On the evening of April 20, 2013, the wounded Dzhokhar was found unarmed and hiding in a boat on a trailer in Watertown, Massachusetts.

On January 30, 2014, United States Attorney General Eric Holder announced that the federal government would seek the death penalty against Tsarnaev. The trial had just begun on January 5, 2015, as Tsarnaev pleaded not guilty to all thirty charges filed against him.

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Sounds like a cure .......  a cure fer sure!
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