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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Je Suis Larry! Reply #225 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 4:32pm baron has lost the plot he is already abusing and calling aussie names... its a sure sign of losing the debate..... shouldnt indepth debate on Islam be in the Islam forum??
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Reply #226 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 4:33pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:37pm:

ian wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:27pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:23pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:19pm:

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Australia doesn't have the death penalty for apostasy,

Huh.....so apostasy and its consequences differ according to lines on a map, even though you would assert it is a part of Islam which crosses borders undiluted.

Gotcha.

Death for apostasy is a state law in 13 countries with Islam as the state religion.

You are a bit thick for a taxi driver arsie.

The biggest Muslim country doesnt have apostasy laws though so the majority of the worlds Muslims dont live in fear if they convert.

Does Indonesia recognise atheists/agnostics or only 6 religions?

Indonesia just throws them in jail, a clear violation of article 18 of the universal declaration of human rights.
Islam is not compatible with human rights.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Aan

Indonesia might be the biggest muslim country but 200 million muslims is hardly the majority of the worlds muslims.

But still no penalty for apostasy in Indonesia, and no, Indonesia does not throw people in jail for apostasy, they wouldnt have enough jails. From memory a million or so are now converting to Christianity in Indonesia every year.

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Reply #227 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 4:33pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 4:20pm:

cods wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 4:06pm:

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:32pm:

ou dont care about the Muslim copper I take it.. he deserved to die..

so when you are kicking that angry beesnest will you mind if the people down the road minding their own business are killed because of your act?????
I have already said 17 people died because of WHAT??..

I'll tell you why- they are at war with us because we run the world and they want to. I suggest you start looking up some ISIS videos on youtube and learn about these fanatics. I don't care about being right, I just can't stand reading absolute crap.

goes for me too.. over and out.

oh noes

emphasis on CRAP drah you know all about that dont you?

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Reply #228 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 4:39pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 4:28pm:

ian wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:35pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:

Australia doesn't have the death penalty for apostasy, there are 13 countries with the death penalty for apostasy.
Alexander Aan was only jailed in moderate Indonesia for apostasy after the police saved him from a mob that was bashing him.

Annie was a convert, muslims will say she was never really a muslim which is what they do with apostates they can't kill.

I could care less what leftard taxi drivers like you believe

impossible, Indonesia does not have these laws. Constitutionally Indos are guaranteed freedom of religion.

so does China and the former USSR. How'd that work out in practice???

and ironically Australia does not and yet we have it anyway.

Like i said, you may be an academic but not a very good one
Australian Constitution[edit]
The Australian Constitution took effect on 1 January 1901. It includes details on the composition, powers and processes of the Australian Parliament and how federal and state Parliaments share power within Australia. It contains several express and implied protections of human rights - though it does not contain a Bill of Right as contained in the United States Constitution. It can only be altered by referendum.[2] Civil and political rights and liberties expressly provided by the Constitution are: ss 41 (right to vote), 80 (right to jury trial for indictable offences), 116 (

freedom of religion

) and 117 (freedom from discrimination on the basis of State residence). Economic rights provisions are s 92, which protects freedom of interstate trade, commerce and intercourse; s 51(xxiiiA), which prohibits civil conscription in relation to medical and dental services; and s 51(xxxi), which empowers the Commonwealth government to acquire property "on just terms".[3]

Since 1992 decisions of the High Court of Australia have held that there are further "implied rights" within the Constitution to free speech and communication on matters concerning politics and government (known as the 'implied freedom of political communication').[4]
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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Je Suis Larry! Reply #229 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 4:41pm ............
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Reply #230 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 5:05pm

ian wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 4:33pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:37pm:

ian wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:27pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:23pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:19pm:

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Australia doesn't have the death penalty for apostasy,

Huh.....so apostasy and its consequences differ according to lines on a map, even though you would assert it is a part of Islam which crosses borders undiluted.

Gotcha.

Death for apostasy is a state law in 13 countries with Islam as the state religion.

You are a bit thick for a taxi driver arsie.

The biggest Muslim country doesnt have apostasy laws though so the majority of the worlds Muslims dont live in fear if they convert.

Does Indonesia recognise atheists/agnostics or only 6 religions?

Indonesia just throws them in jail, a clear violation of article 18 of the universal declaration of human rights.
Islam is not compatible with human rights.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Aan

Indonesia might be the biggest muslim country but 200 million muslims is hardly the majority of the worlds muslims.

But still no penalty for apostasy in Indonesia, and no, Indonesia does not throw people in jail for apostasy, they wouldnt have enough jails. From memory a million or so are now converting to Christianity in Indonesia every year.

We could always consult the INdonesian Law Society.... but wait a minute... you are on record as not believing law Societies over your own ignorant uninformed opinion.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #231 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 5:07pm

ian wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 4:39pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 4:28pm:

ian wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:35pm:

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Australia doesn't have the death penalty for apostasy, there are 13 countries with the death penalty for apostasy.
Alexander Aan was only jailed in moderate Indonesia for apostasy after the police saved him from a mob that was bashing him.

Annie was a convert, muslims will say she was never really a muslim which is what they do with apostates they can't kill.

I could care less what leftard taxi drivers like you believe

impossible, Indonesia does not have these laws. Constitutionally Indos are guaranteed freedom of religion.

so does China and the former USSR. How'd that work out in practice???

and ironically Australia does not and yet we have it anyway.

Like i said, you may be an academic but not a very good one
Australian Constitution[edit]
The Australian Constitution took effect on 1 January 1901. It includes details on the composition, powers and processes of the Australian Parliament and how federal and state Parliaments share power within Australia. It contains several express and implied protections of human rights - though it does not contain a Bill of Right as contained in the United States Constitution. It can only be altered by referendum.[2] Civil and political rights and liberties expressly provided by the Constitution are: ss 41 (right to vote), 80 (right to jury trial for indictable offences), 116 (

freedom of religion

) and 117 (freedom from discrimination on the basis of State residence). Economic rights provisions are s 92, which protects freedom of interstate trade, commerce and intercourse; s 51(xxiiiA), which prohibits civil conscription in relation to medical and dental services; and s 51(xxxi), which empowers the Commonwealth government to acquire property "on just terms".[3]

Since 1992 decisions of the High Court of Australia have held that there are further "implied rights" within the Constitution to free speech and communication on matters concerning politics and government (known as the 'implied freedom of political communication').[4]
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I was actually thinking Bill of Rights. But I was right in stating that no constitutional protection is worth a damn without a judicial system that can and will defend it and and executive willing to submit to it. We are lucky here, but not everyone is so lucky eg Pakistan or virtually any country outside the WEst.

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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Je Suis Larry! Reply #232 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 5:08pm cods, you shook me up there, when you referred to the baron calling Aussie names I thought you were referring to me. I checked back and it is Baron Von Rort who is under the gun...whew!
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Reply #233 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 5:32pm

red baron wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 5:08pm:

cods, you shook me up there, when you referred to the baron calling Aussie names I thought you were referring to me. I checked back and it is Baron Von Rort who is under the gun...whew!

no you are RB...and as far as I know..you have not even used this thread...

I do worry when someone has to go down the childish route of name calling...this is a very serious topic...people are dead and yet here we have a so called adult who cannot have a discussion without abuse...

which is a kind of terrorism of the internet .. bullying and intimidating...its pretty sad.....

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Reply #234 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 5:34pm

ian wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 4:33pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:37pm:

ian wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:27pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:23pm:

Aussie wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 3:19pm:

Quote:

Australia doesn't have the death penalty for apostasy,

Huh.....so apostasy and its consequences differ according to lines on a map, even though you would assert it is a part of Islam which crosses borders undiluted.

Gotcha.

Death for apostasy is a state law in 13 countries with Islam as the state religion.

You are a bit thick for a taxi driver arsie.

The biggest Muslim country doesnt have apostasy laws though so the majority of the worlds Muslims dont live in fear if they convert.

Does Indonesia recognise atheists/agnostics or only 6 religions?

Indonesia just throws them in jail, a clear violation of article 18 of the universal declaration of human rights.
Islam is not compatible with human rights.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Aan

Indonesia might be the biggest muslim country but 200 million muslims is hardly the majority of the worlds muslims.

But still no penalty for apostasy in Indonesia, and no, Indonesia does not throw people in jail for apostasy, they wouldnt have enough jails. From memory a million or so are now converting to Christianity in Indonesia every year.

So why is Alexander Aan in jail?

We give Indonesia over $10 million a week in foreign aid,what do we get in return?

Of course muslims converting to Christianity have to be quiet about that in Indonesia, I have friends there don't try and bulllshit they don't.

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Redmond Neck Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 21669 ACT Gender:	Re: Je Suis Larry! Reply #235 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 5:43pm If Larry cops one for the country, I dont really mind as we wont have Herb posting links to his rubbish. Sorry Larry , not nice knowing you!
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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Je Suis Larry! Reply #236 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 5:45pm longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 5:05pm: [ We could always consult the INdonesian Law Society.... but wait a minute... you are on record as not believing law Societies over your own ignorant uninformed opinion. hmmm. but I did know Australia has a constitution.
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Aussie Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 38823 Gender:	Re: Je Suis Larry! Reply #237 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 5:45pm If those friends don't like the Laws of the Country in which they live (and are likely to be executed) ......... they leave. I would. Simples.
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Reply #238 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 5:46pm

ian wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 5:05pm:

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We could always consult the INdonesian Law Society.... but wait a minute... you are on record as not believing law Societies over your own ignorant uninformed opinion.

hmmm. but I did know Australia has a constitution.

Yeas, and melielongtime did not have a clue about it.

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Reply #239 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 5:51pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 5:34pm:

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So why is Alexander Aan in jail?

he isnt in jail, he was released a year ago and was arrested for inciting hatred by promoting Atheism.

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We give Indonesia over $10 million a week in foreign aid,what do we get in return?

its in the words 'foreign aid" think about it, you will get it.

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Of course muslims converting to Christianity have to be quiet about that in Indonesia, I have friends there don't try and bulllshit they don't.

Highly depends, lots of religious tension since Suharto got the flick. no penalty for apostasy though.

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