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Reply #45 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:04pm
 
Resolute wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 2:45pm:
Charlie Hebdo is a satirical magazine. Satire has existed for centuries, and includes cartoons which satirise all religions, political  parties, business organisations, banking, in fact just about anything. If every person, religion, political  party, etc etc decided they were going to murder the purveyors of this satire, there would be very many more people slaughtered in many more countries because they believe in Freedom of The Press and Freedom of Speech. To allow any mob of bullies, through fear of retribution, to stop this would be as Neville Chamberlain tried to do in the late 30s, appease a dictator. Whether they are MUSLIMS or not is besides the point, but the result in everybody succumbing to the dictates of murdering lunatics is not what two WW were fought for.



YOU ARE SO RIGHT.. MAYBE FD SHOULD CANCEL BANNING ANYONE ON HERE......WHAT SAY YE?????

HOW DO YOU THINK THIS FORUM ALONE WOULD GO IF EVERYONE WAS ALLOWED TO POST WHAT THEY LIKED WITH NO REGARD FOR  ANYONE ELSE....


I AM SURE WE DIDNT FIGHT TWO W.WARS... SO WE COULDNT CONTINUE

FREE SPEECH ON A 'F*ING' BLOODY FORUM LIKE THIS..




what say ye?
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Reply #46 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:14pm
 
Ycods wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:04pm:
Resolute wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 2:45pm:
Charlie Hebdo is a satirical magazine. Satire has existed for centuries, and includes cartoons which satirise all religions, political  parties, business organisations, banking, in fact just about anything. If every person, religion, political  party, etc etc decided they were going to murder the purveyors of this satire, there would be very many more people slaughtered in many more countries because they believe in Freedom of The Press and Freedom of Speech. To allow any mob of bullies, through fear of retribution, to stop this would be as Neville Chamberlain tried to do in the late 30s, appease a dictator. Whether they are MUSLIMS or not is besides the point, but the result in everybody succumbing to the dictates of murdering lunatics is not what two WW were fought for.



YOU ARE SO RIGHT.. MAYBE FD SHOULD CANCEL BANNING ANYONE ON HERE......WHAT SAY YE?????

HOW DO YOU THINK THIS FORUM ALONE WOULD GO IF EVERYONE WAS ALLOWED TO POST WHAT THEY LIKED WITH NO REGARD FOR  ANYONE ELSE....


I AM SURE WE DIDNT FIGHT TWO W.WARS... SO WE COULDNT CONTINUE

FREE SPEECH ON A 'F*ING' BLOODY FORUM LIKE THIS..




what say ye?


I am assuming that you have absolutely no idea what SATIRE means.
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Reply #47 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:15pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:00pm:
I am talking about a REASON as you even say AN EXCUSE.....why GIVE MADMEN AND EXCUSE???????




They're mad men, as you say, and that's the problem.

They'll always find an excuse for their actions: they're crazy!

Take away the cartoons, and they'll blame movies, or books, or comedians, or anything else that offends them.

Take away Islam, and they'll still find an excuse for their violence.

How much are we willing to sacrifice in order to appease these mad men?


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Reply #48 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:15pm
 
And do not shout at me!
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Reply #49 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:20pm
 
Resolute wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 2:45pm:
Charlie Hebdo is a satirical magazine. Satire has existed for centuries, and includes cartoons which satirise all religions, political  parties, business organisations, banking, in fact just about anything. If every person, religion, political  party, etc etc decided they were going to murder the purveyors of this satire, there would be very many more people slaughtered in many more countries because they believe in Freedom of The Press and Freedom of Speech. To allow any mob of bullies, through fear of retribution, to stop this would be as Neville Chamberlain tried to do in the late 30s, appease a dictator. Whether they are MUSLIMS or not is besides the point, but the result in everybody succumbing to the dictates of murdering lunatics is not what two WW were fought for.


Abusive ridicule = satire, yes?
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Reply #50 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:23pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:20pm:
Resolute wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 2:45pm:
Charlie Hebdo is a satirical magazine. Satire has existed for centuries, and includes cartoons which satirise all religions, political  parties, business organisations, banking, in fact just about anything. If every person, religion, political  party, etc etc decided they were going to murder the purveyors of this satire, there would be very many more people slaughtered in many more countries because they believe in Freedom of The Press and Freedom of Speech. To allow any mob of bullies, through fear of retribution, to stop this would be as Neville Chamberlain tried to do in the late 30s, appease a dictator. Whether they are MUSLIMS or not is besides the point, but the result in everybody succumbing to the dictates of murdering lunatics is not what two WW were fought for.


Abusive ridicule = satire, yes?


Then that would mean your remark would be satire, yes?
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Reply #51 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:24pm
 
Resolute wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:23pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:20pm:
Resolute wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 2:45pm:
Charlie Hebdo is a satirical magazine. Satire has existed for centuries, and includes cartoons which satirise all religions, political  parties, business organisations, banking, in fact just about anything. If every person, religion, political  party, etc etc decided they were going to murder the purveyors of this satire, there would be very many more people slaughtered in many more countries because they believe in Freedom of The Press and Freedom of Speech. To allow any mob of bullies, through fear of retribution, to stop this would be as Neville Chamberlain tried to do in the late 30s, appease a dictator. Whether they are MUSLIMS or not is besides the point, but the result in everybody succumbing to the dictates of murdering lunatics is not what two WW were fought for.


Abusive ridicule = satire, yes?


Then that would mean your remark would be satire, yes?


No.  I was asking you if you agreed that satire boils down to abusive ridicule.
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Reply #52 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:27pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:24pm:
Resolute wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:23pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:20pm:
Resolute wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 2:45pm:
Charlie Hebdo is a satirical magazine. Satire has existed for centuries, and includes cartoons which satirise all religions, political  parties, business organisations, banking, in fact just about anything. If every person, religion, political  party, etc etc decided they were going to murder the purveyors of this satire, there would be very many more people slaughtered in many more countries because they believe in Freedom of The Press and Freedom of Speech. To allow any mob of bullies, through fear of retribution, to stop this would be as Neville Chamberlain tried to do in the late 30s, appease a dictator. Whether they are MUSLIMS or not is besides the point, but the result in everybody succumbing to the dictates of murdering lunatics is not what two WW were fought for.


Abusive ridicule = satire, yes?


Then that would mean your remark would be satire, yes?


No.  I was asking you if you agreed that satire boils down to abusive ridicule.


Ridicule, yes.
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Reply #53 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:31pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:15pm:
cods wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:00pm:
I am talking about a REASON as you even say AN EXCUSE.....why GIVE MADMEN AND EXCUSE???????




They're mad men, as you say, and that's the problem.

They'll always find an excuse for their actions: they're crazy!

Take away the cartoons, and they'll blame movies, or books, or comedians, or anything else that offends them.

Take away Islam, and they'll still find an excuse for their violence.

How much are we willing to sacrifice in order to appease these mad men?






thats silly and you know it.. this cartoon business has been a problem for ever... and how many films have been banned for other reasons.. wasnt one banned just recently??...something to do with Nth Korea... we do it all the time...

just some do not wish to own that..
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Reply #54 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:32pm
 
WHY GREG IS IT A SACRIFICE TO STOP NASTY MEAN CARTOONS..


AND NOT A SACRIFICE TO BAN 'NODDY'
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Reply #55 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:34pm
 
Resolute wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:27pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:24pm:
Resolute wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:23pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:20pm:
Resolute wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 2:45pm:
Charlie Hebdo is a satirical magazine. Satire has existed for centuries, and includes cartoons which satirise all religions, political  parties, business organisations, banking, in fact just about anything. If every person, religion, political  party, etc etc decided they were going to murder the purveyors of this satire, there would be very many more people slaughtered in many more countries because they believe in Freedom of The Press and Freedom of Speech. To allow any mob of bullies, through fear of retribution, to stop this would be as Neville Chamberlain tried to do in the late 30s, appease a dictator. Whether they are MUSLIMS or not is besides the point, but the result in everybody succumbing to the dictates of murdering lunatics is not what two WW were fought for.


Abusive ridicule = satire, yes?


Then that would mean your remark would be satire, yes?


No.  I was asking you if you agreed that satire boils down to abusive ridicule.


Ridicule, yes.


Which is.....in any man's Language.....abuse, at least!

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ridicule
ˈrɪdɪkjuːl/
noun
noun: ridicule

    1.
    the subjection of someone or something to contemptuous and dismissive language or behaviour.
    "he is held up as an object of ridicule"
    synonyms:      mockery, derision, laughter, scorn, scoffing, contempt, jeering, sneering, sneers, jibes, jibing, joking, teasing, taunts, taunting, ragging, chaffing, twitting, raillery, sarcasm, satire, lampoon, burlesque, caricature, parody; More
    informalkidding, kidology, ribbing, joshing;
    informalwinding up, taking the mickey;
    informalgoofing, razzing, pulling someone's chain;
    informalchiacking;
    archaicsport;
    vulgar slangtaking the piss
    "he was subjected to ridicule by his colleagues"
    antonyms:      praise, respect

verb
verb: ridicule; 3rd person present: ridicules; past tense: ridiculed; past participle: ridiculed; gerund or present participle: ridiculing

    1.
    subject to contemptuous and dismissive language or behaviour.
    "his theory was ridiculed and dismissed"
    synonyms:      deride, mock, laugh at, heap scorn on, hold up to shame, hold up to ridicule, expose to ridicule, jeer at, jibe at, sneer at, show up, treat with contempt, scorn, make fun of, poke fun at, make jokes about, laugh to scorn, scoff at, pillory, be sarcastic about, satirize, lampoon, burlesque, caricature, parody, tease, taunt, rag, chaff, twit;
    informalkid, rib, josh, wind up, take the mickey out of;
    informalgoof on, rag on, razz, pull someone's chain;
    informalchiack, poke mullock at, sling off at;
    vulgar slangtake the piss (out of);
    datedmake sport of;
    archaicquiz, flout (at)

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Reply #56 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:35pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:31pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:15pm:
cods wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:00pm:
I am talking about a REASON as you even say AN EXCUSE.....why GIVE MADMEN AND EXCUSE???????




They're mad men, as you say, and that's the problem.

They'll always find an excuse for their actions: they're crazy!

Take away the cartoons, and they'll blame movies, or books, or comedians, or anything else that offends them.

Take away Islam, and they'll still find an excuse for their violence.

How much are we willing to sacrifice in order to appease these mad men?






thats silly and you know it.. this cartoon business has been a problem for ever... and how many films have been banned for other reasons.. wasnt one banned just recently??...something to do with Nth Korea... we do it all the time...

just some do not wish to own that..



Like I said, "How much are we willing to sacrifice in order to appease these mad men?"

We've banned books and movies, and now we're talking about banning cartoons.

At what point do we stop?

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Reply #57 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:37pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:32pm:
WHY GREG IS IT A SACRIFICE TO STOP NASTY MEAN CARTOONS..


AND NOT A SACRIFICE TO BAN 'NODDY'



I think banning Noddy is a sacrifice.

It's ridiculous.

I don't want films, books, or cartoons banned just because it upsets a few loons.





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Reply #58 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:39pm
 
Noun: satire
|'saˌtI(‑u)r|
Witty language used to convey insults or scorn, esp. saying one thing but implying the opposite • Satire is a sort of glass, wherein beholders do generally discover everybody's face but their own
=      caustic remark, irony, sarcasm
~      drollness, humor, humour, wit, witticism, wittiness
A satirical work • the year's best political satire
Derived
Noun: satirist
Verb: satirise, satirize
Adjective: satiric, satirical


The above is nearer the meaning of a satirical cartoon.
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Reply #59 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:40pm
 
I don't have a problem with censorship.

Free speech is way over rated.

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