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Reply #75 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 4:41pm
 
Phemanderac wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 4:26pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 4:17pm:
I don't have a problem with any of that Phemanderac.  However, if 'you' are asked to leave well enough alone, and 'you' persist with what 'you' reckon is funny yet abusive....don't whinge when you get a black eye from someone who does not share 'your' sense of humour abuse.


I understand there is a risk that people will respond inappropriately Aussie. Further, to resort to violence (which we are all equally capable of) is to demonstrate a lack of capacity to argue the point.

Whilst that point though is valid, i.e. if I chose to verbally abuse (whether humorously or not) and, in response, someone decides punching me is an apt response, then likewise, that person need not whine when they get smacked back.... Violence begets violence after all. I might not advocate violence as an answer, but do not mistake that as an incapacity to respond. There in lieth the whole problem with addressing commentary and/or pictures with physical force, you just might bump up against someone who can use a bit of force back - then we have a "that escalated quickly" situation... The point in the end gets lost.

So, no I won't complain if someone goes to smack me, I will (hopefully) simply respond/react to minimise the risk to my person.



the problem was this magazine had had many threats they even had the police on their doorstep.. not that that stopped them getting in....

this isnt threatening to bash someone....this is armed men killing unarmed staff...

if the staff had had guns at least you could say they had a small chance   but they are sitting ducks...

why take that risk?
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Reply #76 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 4:42pm
 
Life_goes_on wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 2:56pm:
What's the bet that the cops haven't contacted Pickering at all and he's simply using the froggy thing to self promote?

He's not known for his honesty.


Exactly.ive never heard of Pickering until Herbert here kept referring to him and I reckon most Aussies let alone Aussie Muslims have never heard of Pickering.
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Reply #77 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 4:45pm
 
wally1 wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 4:42pm:
Life_goes_on wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 2:56pm:
What's the bet that the cops haven't contacted Pickering at all and he's simply using the froggy thing to self promote?

He's not known for his honesty.


Exactly.ive never heard of Pickering until Herbert here kept referring to him and I reckon most Aussies let alone Aussie Muslims have never heard of Pickering.



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Reply #78 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 4:48pm
 
Rocketanski wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 8:17am:
cods wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 8:11am:
red baron wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 7:59am:
I do not agree with many of Larry Pickering's posts but we need our Pickerings in this increasingly Politically correct society of ours, where people are howled down often, for getting to the nuts and bolts of the truth.



we are not immune to this.... Larry stepped over the line I am sorry a lot of people disagree with me....but why antagonize these fanatics.......what fun is there in doing that??... I dont call it FREEDOM OF SPEECH to insult someone...come on..when you draw a cartoon.. its usually to mock someone..why mock someone with a gun??? Shocked Shocked Shocked
Because that empowers them which will cause more problems. Not standing up to monsters has never once worked throughout history.


exactly.  frankly every newspaper in the world should publish these cartoons - once.  Make the point that the more the nutters shoot people the more we will fight back.  and if they do it again, make it a standard front page for a week.

"You deserve what you tolerate" is a maxim of great power.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #79 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 4:51pm
 
ian wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 10:09am:
Pickering is just cashing in, he doesnt even have the guts to defame islam appropriately. On another note, the hebdo mag looks like selling 8 million copies this month. their circulation was 60,000 last week.


ironic, aint it?

it does go to show that terrorists are stupid - not that that is any news (except to you)/.
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Reply #80 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 4:52pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 4:37pm:
Phemanderac wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 4:13pm:
If our politicians and religious leaders were not so contemptible, then satirist would not have so much material with which to play. Try just once not shooting the messenger eh?



what makes you think this is about Politicians????...

it isnt its about MADMEN with GUNS AND BOMBS...


if you asked two weeks ago should we shut down Charlie Hebdo I wouldnt have known what you were talking about......

now if you ask me.. should they stop offending these madmen...

I will say YES...I dont think a cartoon is worth 12 lives...and all the others that followed....

phem weve had many threads on here about abusive behavior and what to do about it.. banning is one of them.....please dont say this is different.. banning is banning is banning....

would you like to see banning .. banned on ozpol...???..because it only offends a few...

did Larrys cartoon offend you?.... did it amuse you? did it stop any terrorist act??....I havent seen much on this since it first aired....I thought it was revolting and served no purpose at all..


Getting down to the nitty gritty there.  It is  not so much the cartoon per se, is it.  It is the naked abuse of a mainstream religion going back centuries trying to hide the attack as 'Oh, it's just a cartoon.'  Bullshite!  It is lampooning, putting shite upon, ridiculing, rendering scornful, inciting hatred against a faith.

The more I get into this discussion, the more I reckon I am correct about it.  You can get away with that with some things if you think you have the high moral ground, but when someone says, 'Please don't," and you persist, you get a black eye.  Tough.



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Reply #81 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 4:53pm
 
Life_goes_on wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 1:37pm:
red baron wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 1:32pm:
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.

Voltaire


Lefty nonsense.
People bang on about free speech, yet conveniently forget the necessary and not-so-necessary restrictions that we have place on it.

These Je Suis Charlie f-ckwits quote Voltaire and carry on like France is a bastion of free speech yet in France they jail people for Holocaust denial.


while I agree that jail for such an offence is wrong, it is easy for us to say that when they actually lived it.  Cheap seats and all.  they should actually be sent to the asylum where such boofheads NEED to be.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #82 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 4:57pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:37pm:
cods wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:32pm:
WHY GREG IS IT A SACRIFICE TO STOP NASTY MEAN CARTOONS..


AND NOT A SACRIFICE TO BAN 'NODDY'



I think banning Noddy is a sacrifice.

It's ridiculous.

I don't want films, books, or cartoons banned just because it upsets a few loons.







I hate being on the same side as you.  I feel dirty.
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Reply #83 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 4:58pm
 
Life_goes_on wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:44pm:
ian wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 3:42pm:
Censorship is absolutely necassary in any civilised society to protect the rights of the innocent and voiceless.


I completely agree.


But who defines our rights and values?  Censors?  While I agree with the premise, history is not exactly an example of censorship being a great thing.
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Reply #84 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 5:01pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 4:37pm:
Phemanderac wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 4:13pm:
If our politicians and religious leaders were not so contemptible, then satirist would not have so much material with which to play. Try just once not shooting the messenger eh?



what makes you think this is about Politicians????...

it isnt its about MADMEN with GUNS AND BOMBS...


if you asked two weeks ago should we shut down Charlie Hebdo I wouldnt have known what you were talking about......

now if you ask me.. should they stop offending these madmen...

I will say YES...I dont think a cartoon is worth 12 lives...and all the others that followed....

phem weve had many threads on here about abusive behavior and what to do about it.. banning is one of them.....please dont say this is different.. banning is banning is banning....

would you like to see banning .. banned on ozpol...???..because it only offends a few...

did Larrys cartoon offend you?.... did it amuse you? did it stop any terrorist act??....I havent seen much on this since it first aired....I thought it was revolting and served no purpose at all..



APPEASEMENT is the first step to surrender.

I choose not to surrender.
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Reply #85 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 5:03pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 4:52pm:
cods wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 4:37pm:
Phemanderac wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 4:13pm:
If our politicians and religious leaders were not so contemptible, then satirist would not have so much material with which to play. Try just once not shooting the messenger eh?



what makes you think this is about Politicians????...

it isnt its about MADMEN with GUNS AND BOMBS...


if you asked two weeks ago should we shut down Charlie Hebdo I wouldnt have known what you were talking about......

now if you ask me.. should they stop offending these madmen...

I will say YES...I dont think a cartoon is worth 12 lives...and all the others that followed....

phem weve had many threads on here about abusive behavior and what to do about it.. banning is one of them.....please dont say this is different.. banning is banning is banning....

would you like to see banning .. banned on ozpol...???..because it only offends a few...

did Larrys cartoon offend you?.... did it amuse you? did it stop any terrorist act??....I havent seen much on this since it first aired....I thought it was revolting and served no purpose at all..


Getting down to the nitty gritty there.  It is  not so much the cartoon per se, is it.  It is the naked abuse of a mainstream religion going back centuries trying to hide the attack as 'Oh, it's just a cartoon.'  Bullshite!  It is lampooning, putting shite upon, ridiculing, rendering scornful, inciting hatred against a faith.

The more I get into this discussion, the more I reckon I am correct about it.  You can get away with that with some things if you think you have the high moral ground, but when someone says, 'Please don't," and you persist, you get a black eye.  Tough.



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where are you opposing the truly blasphemous and hateful anti-Christ cartoons, movies etc?

NOWHERE TO BE SEEN.

Ive always thought you a coward, now I am sure.
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Reply #86 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 5:05pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 5:01pm:
cods wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 4:37pm:
Phemanderac wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 4:13pm:
If our politicians and religious leaders were not so contemptible, then satirist would not have so much material with which to play. Try just once not shooting the messenger eh?



what makes you think this is about Politicians????...

it isnt its about MADMEN with GUNS AND BOMBS...


if you asked two weeks ago should we shut down Charlie Hebdo I wouldnt have known what you were talking about......

now if you ask me.. should they stop offending these madmen...

I will say YES...I dont think a cartoon is worth 12 lives...and all the others that followed....

phem weve had many threads on here about abusive behavior and what to do about it.. banning is one of them.....please dont say this is different.. banning is banning is banning....

would you like to see banning .. banned on ozpol...???..because it only offends a few...

did Larrys cartoon offend you?.... did it amuse you? did it stop any terrorist act??....I havent seen much on this since it first aired....I thought it was revolting and served no purpose at all..



APPEASEMENT is the first step to surrender.

I choose not to surrender.


How ever so heroic of you!!!!  Will we see some 'satirical' cartoons ridiculing/abusing/lampooning Islam on large boards on your front lawn then?  Tomorrow?  You gonna be a keyboard hero, or provide a clear public demonstration of your ever so genuine bravado?
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Reply #87 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 5:06pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 4:48pm:
Rocketanski wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 8:17am:
cods wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 8:11am:
red baron wrote on Jan 13th, 2015 at 7:59am:
I do not agree with many of Larry Pickering's posts but we need our Pickerings in this increasingly Politically correct society of ours, where people are howled down often, for getting to the nuts and bolts of the truth.



we are not immune to this.... Larry stepped over the line I am sorry a lot of people disagree with me....but why antagonize these fanatics.......what fun is there in doing that??... I dont call it FREEDOM OF SPEECH to insult someone...come on..when you draw a cartoon.. its usually to mock someone..why mock someone with a gun??? Shocked Shocked Shocked
Because that empowers them which will cause more problems. Not standing up to monsters has never once worked throughout history.


exactly.  frankly every newspaper in the world should publish these cartoons - once.  Make the point that the more the nutters shoot people the more we will fight back.  and if they do it again, make it a standard front page for a week.

"You deserve what you tolerate" is a maxim of great power.



ok.. so you see a nest of very angry bees... so put the boot in that will shut them up..

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

I am sorry but honestly....that is so pompous..

so if someone hung the lord jesus upside down...and threw muck at him...and drew pics of him lets say making out with Mary Magdelene you would turn the other cheek...or laugh as its meant to be funny...

makes sense..

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Reply #88 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 5:09pm
 
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where are you opposing the truly blasphemous and hateful anti-Christ cartoons, movies etc?

NOWHERE TO BE SEEN.

Ive always thought you a coward, now I am sure.


I could not care less about 'Christ.'  But if I did, and asked the person taking a cheap shot to tone it down, if they didn't, I'm sure they could hardly whinge about the black eye.

I don't give a stuff about Mohammed or Islam, or Buddha  either, but I respect the right of others to care......deeply if they wish.
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Reply #89 - Jan 13th, 2015 at 6:52pm
 
I have just checked out the cartoon which has Pickering in trouble on his 'Pickering Post'.

It is incredibly offensive with an Arab (Muhamed) in the form of a pig spiked from stem to stem over a roast fuelled by money; you start stuffing around with Freedom of Speech, it starts small and ends up with a great hole in our ability to say what we like in a Free Society.

So where does it start the thin end of the wedge?

It is a repulsive and offensive cartoon.

The best thing to do is not give it the enormous publicity it has already received by the media of the world.


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