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Reply #15 - Jan 13^th, 2015 at 5:12pm

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When Aldi opened here last decade, the supermarkets sent teams overseas to study the competition. Woolworths chairman Ralph Waters recently described Aldi as "increasing competition but ... not new competition", but

Dick Smith, the entrepreneur who sells Australian-made food to Woolworths, Coles and Metcash, makes the bold prediction Aldi will wipe out Woolies and Coles within 15 years.

"Both of them will go broke," he said. "We'll end with two of everything - Aldi and Walmart."

Smith says Aldi should be required to release its figures. "If they're going to allow them in here - and that's reasonable - they should say, 'We're not a secret society, you have to comply with our culture.'"

Smith said he said as much in separate meetings with Mr Daunt and Stefan Kopp, group managing director of Aldi Australia.

The pair approached Smith after he had publicly criticised Aldi's secrecy.

"I've never had the Coles and Woolies managing directors come and see me at [Sydney's] Terrey Hills," Smith said.

"The argument was that all profit goes to a trust in Germany," he said.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/retail/lifting-the-lid-on-aldi-20141219-11wepp.ht...

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Smith's prediction is that Australia "will make Aldi boom because we're just interested in the cheapest price, but there's no doubt in my mind once they've got large market share, everything will come from China.

If you think Coles and Woolies are ruthless, you wait. They are the smartest retailers in the world

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Now I'm NOT normally a "betting man" - but I'll throw my left nut into the ring on THESE two

1. Aldi do NOT pay employees any more than they are legally bound to
- ie; the minimum award

2. Two of the four maximum employees per store will be a salaried manager - and a salaried assistant manager
One of the terms of these workplace agreements will be
"unpaid overtime, as required"
for such purposes as after hours stock-takes and covering casual sick leave

( ... these quite legal contracts have been "stock-standard, since Australia rejected Workchoices)

Aside from marketing discontinued lines and "job lots"
- it is this low wages bill that gives Aldi its ability to sell
"equivalent" ( ... not the SAME) goods
, that give them the advantage

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Reply #16 - Jan 13^th, 2015 at 6:01pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 4:36pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

Hmmm, I'm not sure that I want to drive to any of those suburbs.

I guess I'll just continue to shop at the Perth CBD Woolies (the not so fresh food people).

Living in a regional area has its bonuses, the bogans mix it with the non-bogans, we're all one happy little bunch of hipsters, the Audi parks beside the 86 Commodore station wagon and all our shyt comes out of the same place.

its the on ly chance I get to look down on the poor people pansi... Grin

I try to park next to a BMW and look as if I am getting into it when I come out... not that I am a snob you understand..

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Reply #17 - Jan 13^th, 2015 at 6:05pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 5:11pm:

100% German privately owned. not one cent stays in Australia. isn't that the argument you make against mining companies that 50% of profits go offshore???

I will wait for the usual hypocritical 'comebacks'.

Mining companies don't give me cheap groceries, do they? Not even cheap power or gold.

Who owns Wesfarmers? Where do the profits go? Where does the profits go for all the Multinationals?

Aldi employs Australians, buys local produce and gives us a good deal at the checkout, that's all that matters to me.

Economically illiterate people (and governments) pay more than they need to. I'm sure I can give myself a nice little holiday every year with what I save by shopping at Aldi

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Re: Infobits about Aldi
Reply #18 - Jan 13^th, 2015 at 6:11pm

you are wrong about the wages Aldi do pay more

Aldi Retail assistants can expect to be paid up to $21.90+ per hour with an additional $9 per hour on Sundays

ob Overview: Retail Store Assistant at Woolworths

Woolworths
Compensation
Hourly Rate
AU$16.81 - AU$24.83

the only thing I wil say about Aldi and that is their staff are never still.. I needed something from one of their display boxes and the girl rushed out rushed back outside got the key unlocked the cage gave me the whatever and took off.. no waiting to see if it was what I wanted...I dont know how it works but it seems to me..they have certain things to do within a certain time frame and the boss expects it done...no ifs or buts.... it is the German way isnt it?

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Reply #19 - Jan 13^th, 2015 at 7:08pm

cods wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 6:11pm:

you are wrong about the wages Aldi do pay more

Aldi Retail assistants can expect to be paid up to $21.90+ per hour with an additional $9 per hour on Sundays

ob Overview: Retail Store Assistant at Woolworths

Woolworths
Compensation
Hourly Rate
AU$16.81 - AU$24.83

Aldi

's "up to" reference is somewhat obscure
I'm guessing the top of the "up to" figure relates to casuals
They don't declare any full-time entry level hourly rate

... and what does

" up to $21.90 plus per hour"

actually mean ?

( ... THINK about it)

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Reply #21 - Jan 13^th, 2015 at 7:25pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 6:05pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 5:11pm:

100% German privately owned. not one cent stays in Australia. isn't that the argument you make against mining companies that 50% of profits go offshore???

I will wait for the usual hypocritical 'comebacks'.

Mining companies don't give me cheap groceries, do they? Not even cheap power or gold.

Who owns Wesfarmers? Where do the profits go? Where does the profits go for all the Multinationals?

Aldi employs Australians, buys local produce and gives us a good deal at the checkout, that's all that matters to me.

Economically illiterate people (and governments) pay more than they need to. I'm sure I can give myself a nice little holiday every year with what I save by shopping at Aldi

Mining companies and their taxation gives you your welfare payments. Aldi SELLS you food.

It would be nice (and a first) if you had a consistent approach to any topic. Aldi gives NOTHING to this country. EVERY CENT goes overseas.

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Reply #22 - Jan 13^th, 2015 at 7:28pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 5:12pm:

Like EVERY aspect concerning finances, profits and tax liability surrounding the

German mega-conglomerate

- employee wages and staff salaries remain under a veil of secrecy[/font][/size]

Their Agreements are available to the public.

http://www.sda.org.au/ Top right corner.

https://www.fwc.gov.au/awards-and-agreements/agreements/find-agreement/results?A...

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Reply #23 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 9:13am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 7:08pm:

... and what does

" up to $21.90 plus per hour"

actually mean ?

( ... THINK about it)

It means that's the adult rate.

Many retail assistants are teenagers, thus, they'll be paid junior rates (i.e. a percentage of the adult rate, depending on their age).

Aldi actually pay quite well, compared to other supermarkets.

Plus, they let their staff sit down while working on the checkout. Coles and Woolworths refuse to introduce that into their stores.

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Reply #24 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 9:23am

This is a global economy buzz, companies are going to come here because it's a prosperous country.

There have been a couple of reports in the last few days that it is expected many more foreign retailers will set up here, in all kinds of sectors. It is unavoidable.

The upside is, while most of the profits will be remitted, wages will be paid here and payments will often be made to suppliers here. That is the case with Aldi.

The downside will be if foreign companies are allowed to bring in their own workers, ie China, and operate like Chinese islands in an Australian ocean

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Re: Infobits about Aldi
Reply #25 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 10:27am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 7:08pm:

... and what does

" up to $21.90 plus per hour"

actually mean ?

( ... THINK about it)

It means that's the adult rate.

Many retail assistants are teenagers, thus, they'll be paid junior rates (i.e. a percentage of the adult rate, depending on their age).

Aldi actually pay quite well, compared to other supermarkets.

They've ( ... or their union or staff association) done a trade off with

the German partnership

taking a big cut on Sunday and public holiday rates - in exchange for the regular hour increase

They're a bit in front still, but you'd WANNA BE
- considering the WORKLOAD they're given

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Reply #26 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 10:31am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 10:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 9:13am:

[quote author=buzzanddidj link=1421109175/19#19 date=1421140101]

... and what does

" up to $21.90 plus per hour"

actually mean ?

( ... THINK about it)

It means that's the adult rate.

Many retail assistants are teenagers, thus, they'll be paid junior rates (i.e. a percentage of the adult rate, depending on their age).

Aldi actually pay quite well, compared to other supermarkets.

They've ( ... or their union or staff association) done a trade off with

the German partnership

taking a big cut on Sunday and public holiday rates - in exchange for the regular hour increase

They're a bit in front still, but you'd WANNA BE
- considering the WORKLOAD they're given

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Reply #28 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 11:08am

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 10:31am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 10:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 9:13am:

[quote author=buzzanddidj link=1421109175/19#19 date=1421140101]

... and what does

" up to $21.90 plus per hour"

actually mean ?

( ... THINK about it)

It means that's the adult rate.

Many retail assistants are teenagers, thus, they'll be paid junior rates (i.e. a percentage of the adult rate, depending on their age).

Aldi actually pay quite well, compared to other supermarkets.

They've ( ... or their union or staff association) done a trade off with

the German partnership

taking a big cut on Sunday and public holiday rates - in exchange for the regular hour increase

They're a bit in front still, but you'd WANNA BE
- considering the WORKLOAD they're given

so they traded off penalty rates for high normal rates?? Is that not the very essence of workchoices????

and you support it????

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Reply #29 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 11:16am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 11:08am:

so they traded off penalty rates for high normal rates?? Is that not the very essence of workchoices????

and you support it????

Many EBAs contain trade offs.

However, they must pass the BOOT.

"Before approving an enterprise agreement, the Commission must ensure the agreement or variation passes the better off overall test.

"This test requires that each of the employees to be covered by the agreement are better off overall than under the relevant modern award."

https://www.fwc.gov.au/awards-and-agreements/agreements/approval-process

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