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Forget the $7 co- payment cop this
Jan 13^th, 2015 at 8:30pm

The icehole Abbot govt may have dropped the co payment issue but have come back with a rort nearly 3 times that amount .............

http://www.abc.net.au/health/thepulse/stories/2015/01/13/4161640.htm

is there no to the underhanded lengths shyte this mob will stoop to ...... any consutation under 10 mins will reduce you Medicare rebate for the visit by $20.

Mathias Korman would sell his own mother down the gurgler.

What a bunch of grubs.

Bring on the next election ... just like in QLD .... & see the back of these bastards.

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Reply #1 - Jan 13^th, 2015 at 8:45pm

Should of accepted the original 7 co payment deal.

Hawke government was the first government that realised medicare in the long run would slowly become incredibly unstable and unsustainable, and suggested a co-payment, Its disappointing how our political parties now play politics, both parties have acknowledge at some point or another, that medicare is unstable and unsustainable, but god forbid they should be not selfish and do what is needed and not delay what needs to be done and when one sides finally does what is right, criticise them for political gain.

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tickleandrose Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4020 Gender:	Re: Forget the $7 co- payment cop this Reply #2 - Jan 13^th, 2015 at 8:50pm Sure, by all means, change Medicare for whatever reason. But PM Abbott specifically promised to the public the night before election that there will be no changes to medicare. This is a lie.
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Reply #3 - Jan 13^th, 2015 at 8:50pm

Avhoking - Really? so what your are saying that every one should be paying full wicket .... just like in the US?

Lower income people/families cannot afford it ... so no matter they can just do without & die.

How about those of us who pay the Medicare Levy ... it increases the higher your wages/salary, who also pay Private Health insurance ......

both cost me around $5,000 plus a year.

BS! Angry

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74775 Gender:	Re: Forget the $7 co- payment cop this Reply #4 - Jan 13^th, 2015 at 8:52pm Pantheon wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 8:45pm: Hawke government was the first government that realised medicare in the long run would slowly become incredibly unstable and unsustainable load of bollocks ... medicare is perfectly suistainable as long as we aren't using the money to prop up super for the rich.
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29761 Gender:	Re: Forget the $7 co- payment cop this Reply #5 - Jan 13^th, 2015 at 8:53pm Exactly!
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Reply #6 - Jan 13^th, 2015 at 9:05pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 8:52pm:

Pantheon wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 8:45pm:

Hawke government was the first government that realised medicare in the long run would slowly become incredibly unstable and unsustainable

load of bollocks ... medicare is perfectly suistainable as long as we aren't using the money to prop up super for the rich.

propping up super for the rich, The large majority of people benefiting off medicare is the middle class, remove the "rich" and medicare will still be in the same shape. the problem isnt the few 1%, its the majority of people using it the middle class.

Gnads wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 8:50pm:

Avhoking - Really? so what your are saying that every one should be paying full wicket .... just like in the US?

Lower income people/families cannot afford it ... so no matter they can just do without & die.

How about those of us who pay the Medicare Levy ... it increases the higher your wages/salary, who also pay Private Health insurance ......

both cost me around $5,000 plus a year.

BS! Angry

Current system is unstable and unsustainable labor and liberals know this, this is why both parties have suggested a Co-payment.

Adding a Co-payment would not make our system as bad as the americans, but something has to be done to make it stable and sustainable.

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Reply #7 - Jan 13^th, 2015 at 9:11pm

Pantheon wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 9:05pm:

remove the "rich" and medicare will still be in the same shape

why remove the rich from medicare? I was talking about susidies to super ... due to out cost Medicare this year ($29B v $26B) and projected to increase to $50 B by 2020. Put that extra $50B into medicare and you could keep it going until 2050m not 2020

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Reply #8 - Jan 13^th, 2015 at 9:11pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 8:52pm:

Pantheon wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 8:45pm:

Hawke government was the first government that realised medicare in the long run would slowly become incredibly unstable and unsustainable

load of bollocks ... medicare is perfectly suistainable as long as we aren't using the money to prop up super for the rich.

or people who hoard properties Wink

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74775 Gender:	Re: Forget the $7 co- payment cop this Reply #9 - Jan 13^th, 2015 at 9:13pm Pantheon wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 9:05pm: this is why both parties have suggested a Co-payment wrong... it was looked at and rejected ... why do you keep trying to make it sound like labor wants to introduce it? theres a reason it was rejected
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Reply #10 - Jan 13^th, 2015 at 9:22pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 9:13pm:

Pantheon wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 9:05pm:

this is why both parties have suggested a Co-payment

wrong... it was looked at and rejected ... why do you keep trying to make it sound like labor wants to introduce it? theres a reason it was rejected

The only reason why the Co-payment never made it because it was a Bob Hawke and it was seen as poison to be holding it, otherwies we would of had a Co-paymetn years ago.

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the former Labor government’s health strategy said a co-payment would protect universality and address the “structural budget” problems with health funding first recognised 20 years ago.

It also warned of the over-use of medical services and the “inappropriate” use of the system.

“The 1991-2 Budget contains measures that entrench Medicare as a sustainable, efficient universal health insurance system,” the document says.

“In establishing the strategy the government recognised that there were substantial structural problems in the health system.

“These have to be addressed if equitable access to health care for all Australians is to continue in the 21st century through an affordable system.”

The main measure was the introduction of a $3.50 Medicare co-payment, which in today’s dollar terms would have been comparable to what is being proposed by the Abbott government.

Labor saw medicare realise it was unsustainable, and a Co-payment was one idea on how to save it and make ot sustainable, althought Labor never went though on it, it doesn't change the fact LABOR REALISED MEDICARE WAS UNSUSTAINABLE.

It was needed then as they realised and it is needed now.

John Smith wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 9:11pm:

Pantheon wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 9:05pm:

remove the "rich" and medicare will still be in the same shape

why remove the rich from medicare? I was talking about susidies to super ... due to out cost Medicare this year ($29B v $26B) and projected to increase to $50 B by 2020. Put that extra $50B into medicare and you could keep it going until 2050m not 2020

Sorry, mis-read your post, the issue is by 2050 (although with the speed of the increase and speed of pop increase and the fact our projection are contently wrong about bloody everything, it will be more around 2030) , you'll be back where you started, even with a $7 Co-payment, it doesn't solve the problem, it only delays it, the reality it medicare is unsustainable.

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Reply #11 - Jan 13^th, 2015 at 9:26pm

Pantheon wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 9:22pm:

The only reason why the Co-payment never made it because it was a Bob Hawke and it was seen as poison to be holding it, otherwies we would of had a Co-paymetn years ago.

you believe that because thats what you want to believe ... strategists are always proposing different things, they get looked at, those that look good usually pass and those that look like wishful thinking get rejected. This fell into the second category.

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Reply #12 - Jan 13^th, 2015 at 9:28pm

Pantheon wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 9:22pm:

although with the speed of the increase and speed of pop increase and the fact our projection are contently wrong about bloody everything, it will be more around 2030

NONE (or very little) of that increase is coming from GP's ... charging to see a GP won't change that.

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Reply #13 - Jan 13^th, 2015 at 9:29pm

The real issue with medicare is lack of funding, its ridiculous to state its unsustainable while the more wealthy spend more on coffee each week than the medicare levy. Amp the levy up, problem solved. Im not sure which idiot is suggesting medicare is a free system but its not. Anyone who knows anything about the US system knows the truth of the matter, better to over service than under.

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Reply #14 - Jan 13^th, 2015 at 10:08pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 8:52pm:

Pantheon wrote on Jan 13^th, 2015 at 8:45pm:

Hawke government was the first government that realised medicare in the long run would slowly become incredibly unstable and unsustainable

load of bollocks ... medicare is perfectly suistainable as long as we aren't using the money to prop up super for the rich.

Propping up super rich doctors is ok though.... Cheesy

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