Australian Politics Forum - Where is Tony-missing-in-action-Abbott ???

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Re: Where is Tony-missing-in-action-Abbott ???
Reply #15 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 6:01pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 4:34pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 1:09pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 12:24pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 11:30am:

Yadda, do you support Freedom of Speech? Grin

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Yes, of course i do.

Even for Muslims?

WHAT YOU ARE ASKING, IN EFFECT, IS;

Would i extend the rights and privileges of a citizen, to a criminal ?

No [i would not].

And yes, i regard all moslems as wanna-be-murderers [i.e. wanna-be-criminals].

You may but the rest of society (thankfully) doesn't Yadda.

You appear to be prejudging Muslims not on what they have done but on what you fear they may do. How would you like it if everybody judged Christians in the same way?

Yadda you really are an Islamophobic bigot. You are part of the problem, not the solution.

By the way Yadda, criminals have by and large exactly the same rights as other citizens in Australia, even once convicted and that includes Freedom of Speech (in as much as we have such an implied right).

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Re: Where is Tony-missing-in-action-Abbott ???
Reply #16 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 10:24pm

|dev|null wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 6:01pm:

By the way Yadda,

criminals have by and large exactly the same rights as other citizens in Australia,

even once convicted and that includes Freedom of Speech (in as much as we have such an implied right).

And that is the problem, imo, with our criminal justice system today !!

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Many criminals who have been convicted of serious and/or violent crimes, 'have by and large exactly the same rights as other citizens in Australia'.

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The difference between you and me,

....is that i suspect that you see nothing at all wrong with those circumstances.

Whereas, I DO SEE SOMETHING SERIOUSLY WRONG, WITH THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES.

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Re: Where is Tony-missing-in-action-Abbott ???
Reply #17 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:24am

Yadda wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 10:24pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 6:01pm:

By the way Yadda,

criminals have by and large exactly the same rights as other citizens in Australia,

even once convicted and that includes Freedom of Speech (in as much as we have such an implied right).

And that is the problem, imo, with our criminal justice system today !!

Exactly. It refuses to criminalize non-criminals.

I blame Islam.

Google:

Muslim == a follower of Islam.

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Re: Where is Tony-missing-in-action-Abbott ???
Reply #18 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:27pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 10:24pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 6:01pm:

By the way Yadda,

criminals have by and large exactly the same rights as other citizens in Australia,

even once convicted and that includes Freedom of Speech (in as much as we have such an implied right).

And that is the problem, imo, with our criminal justice system today !!

So, you do not believe in Magna Carta? The UN Declaration of Human Rights? Several hundred years of English Common Law and legal precedence?

Looks to me like you'd cut your nose to spite you face to satisfy your bigotry Yadda! Cheesy

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Re: Where is Tony-missing-in-action-Abbott ???
Reply #19 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 4:04pm

|dev|null wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:27pm:

Yadda wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 10:24pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 6:01pm:

By the way Yadda,

criminals have by and large exactly the same rights as other citizens in Australia,

even once convicted and that includes Freedom of Speech (in as much as we have such an implied right).

And that is the problem, imo, with our criminal justice system today !!

So, you do not believe in Magna Carta? The UN Declaration of Human Rights? Several hundred years of English Common Law and legal precedence?

Absolutely not. Y believes in that picture of the original 10 Commandments he has - in English.

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Re: Where is Tony-missing-in-action-Abbott ???
Reply #20 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:53pm

Karnal wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:24am:

Yadda wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 10:24pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 6:01pm:

By the way Yadda,

criminals have by and large exactly the same rights as other citizens in Australia,

even once convicted and that includes Freedom of Speech (in as much as we have such an implied right).

And that is the problem, imo, with our criminal justice system today !!

Exactly. It refuses to criminalize non-criminals.

K,

A justice system [i.e. something which calls itself a 'justice system', but], ....which fails to protect law abiding citizens, from 'the tender mercies' of those who chose to behave in a violent and/or a criminal manner, is not in any sense of the description, a functioning justice system.

That is just my opinion.

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I blame Islam.

K,

I can see that, being unable to resist, or to refute, the logic of my arguments, that you are 'coming around' to my way of thinking.

Or was that bobby's way of thinking ??? Undecided

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Google:

Muslim == a follower of Islam.

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Yes, 'he' is.

Every moslem in Australia [and indeed, every moslem on the planet], by self declaring as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems.

ISLAM is a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against non-moslems ['unbelievers'].

.....Basically, fundamentally, all ISLAMIC doctrine translates as enmity, and encourages [criminal] violence, towards ALL non-moslems.

That is my opinion, ...based upon evidences, sourced from ISLAMIC texts and from observing the behaviour of many moslems, and from scrutinising the unguarded statements of many 'candid' moslems.

e.g.
Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

YT

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

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Karnal,

Many of your utterances in this public forum offend reason.

But then, so do almost all of the 'ideals' of a philosophy like ISLAM. Cool

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Where is Tony-missing-in-action-Abbott ???
Reply #21 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 4:24pm

Australian [aboriginal] moslem cleric, voices support for the Charlie Hebdo massacre in Paris

Junaid Thorne, an Australian, who professes to be a moslem cleric

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"...he warned that those wanting to enjoy freedom of speech should expect others to exercise freedom of action."

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/25931274/junaid-thorne-backs-charlie-hebdo-k...

Google;
"Junaid Thorne" tweets support of the Charlie Hebdo attack in Paris

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Australian troops, in Afghanistan, are working, AND SPILLING THEIR BLOOD, to protect Australia's interests and values.

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And where is Tony Abbott, when >> he << Tony Abbott, is needed, to protect Australia, on the home front ???

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QUESTION;

Has Tony Abbott uttered ONE WORD, in criticism of the violent MAINSTREAM doctrines of the ISLAMIC 'faith' ???

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Re: Where is Tony-missing-in-action-Abbott ???
Reply #22 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 4:34pm

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Yadda asked.....
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QUESTION;

Has Tony Abbott uttered ONE WORD, in criticism of the violent MAINSTREAM doctrines of the ISLAMIC 'faith' ???

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"ISLAM is a peaceful, tolerant faith."

....insist an international coterie of Islamic scholars who all back MAINSTREAM ISLAMIC doctrines.

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6 Elements of ‘Extremist’ Islam That ‘Moderate’ Muslims Endorsed as They Condemned the Islamic State
Robert Spencer Sep 30, 2014

Hamas-linked CAIR and an international coterie of Islamic scholars condemned the Islamic State.

In doing so, they endorsed jihad warfare, dhimmitude, stoning for adultery, amputation for theft, the death penalty for apostasy, and the necessity of the caliphate.....

At last, moderate Islam! The Hamas-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and the Fiqh Council of North America held a press conference in Washington on Wednesday at which they announced with great fanfare that they had refuted the religious ideology of the Islamic State. They issued this lengthy “open letter” (not, interestingly enough, a fatwa) addressed to the Islamic State’s caliph Ibrahim, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, explaining how he was misunderstanding Islam.

[BUT.....] In fact, the “moderates” who signed on to this open letter have ended up endorsing elements of Islam that most non-Muslim Westerners consider to be “extremist.”

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/robert-spencer-in-pj-media-6-elements-of-extre...
http://pjmedia.com/blog/6-elements-of-extremist-islam-that-moderate-muslims-endo...

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1412206324/0#0

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Raven Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2981 Around	Re: Where is Tony-missing-in-action-Abbott ??? Reply #23 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 5:40pm Most people who support "freedom of speech" only do so as long as it applies to them and their own. They understand that sometimes there does need to be a limit on freedom of speech but that only applies to those who don't think the way they do.
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Reply #24 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 11:04pm

Raven wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 5:40pm:

Most people who support "freedom of speech" only do so as long as it applies to them and their own.

Raven,

Moslems, are clearly a significant majority, of those 'most people', to which you are referring.

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"Freedom of expression GO TO HELL!"

The whole object/point/purpose of having a right like, "freedom of speech", is that "freedom of speech", gives every citizen the right to say what others may find offensive/or what others may not want to hear.

ADDENDUM;

Unfortunately, many moslems are of the opinion, THAT THIS [image below] IS AN EXAMPLE OF ACCEPTABLE 'FREE SPEECH'.

It isn't.

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The message that is being expressed by that moslem [in the image above], IS AN INCITEMENT TO MURDER [and in law, INCITEMENT TO MURDER goes well beyond the boundary of 'free speech'].

The problem [in allowing moslems to live among us], is that 'the moslem' [who lives among us] is too stupid to understand that distinction. Tongue

Obviously, 'the moslem' believes that INCITEMENT TO MURDER, is a lawful activity.

STUPID!!

I blame the centuries of inbreeding, within moslem families/communities.

That is not an intentional slur, intended to enrage moslems.

It is a fact.

Google;
centuries of inbreeding, within muslim families/communities

Google;
centuries of muslim inbreeding, impacts on intelligence, sanity, health

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ISLAMIC LAW teaches - EVERY MOSLEM - that murdering those who are not moslems [i.e. those who reject ISLAM], is a lawful act.

Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking of the London 7/7 bombing;

YT

KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

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"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

Yadda said....

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Every moslem in Australia [and indeed, every moslem on the planet], by self declaring as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems.

ISLAM is a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against non-moslems ['unbelievers'].

TRUTH.

All cognisant moslems themselves, know this to be true, and deny and hide this criminal intent from their non-moslem host communities.

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Luke 16:31

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95432 Gender:	Re: Where is Tony-missing-in-action-Abbott ??? Reply #25 - Jan 17^th, 2015 at 9:01am Y, if the Moslems are just confused about the murder laws based on their centuries.of inbreeding couldn’t we solve the problem once and for all by explaining the law to them? You could show them that picture you have of the Ten Commandments.
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Reply #26 - Jan 17^th, 2015 at 11:56am

Karnal wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 9:01am:

Y, if the Moslems are just confused about the murder laws based on their centuries.of inbreeding

couldn’t we solve the problem once and for all by explaining the law to them?

So, K....

Your argument is that Haron Monis wouldn't of known that it was unlawful, to take hostages, and that Haron Monis wouldn't of known that it was unlawful to threaten to kill people,
IN THE NAME OF ISLAM ?

That, is your argument ???

Persons like this - Haron Monis - .......

.....are moslems.

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.....they are inspired by what their religion teaches them to believe.

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Once more, with passion;

Yadda wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:53pm:

Karnal,

Many of your utterances in this public forum offend reason.

But then, so do almost all of the 'ideals' of a philosophy like ISLAM. Cool

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Pakistani cleric: 'We want Islamic law for all Pakistan and then the world.

We would like to do this by preaching.

But if not then we would use force.'

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/12/pakistani-cleric-we-want-islamic-law-for-all-p...

ISLAM, in Australia = = OUR TOLERANCE, of religious bigotry, and religious violence, in Australia.

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August 4, 2005
Australian Islamic leader defends jihad
"I am telling you that my religion doesn't tolerate other religion. It doesn't tolerate," he said.
"The only one law which needs to spread, it can be here or anywhere else, is Islam."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200508/s1430551.htm

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95432 Gender:	Re: Where is Tony-missing-in-action-Abbott ??? Reply #27 - Jan 17^th, 2015 at 2:23pm No no, Y, that’s your argument, remember? You said it a couple of posts below. Did you forget?
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wally1 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2055 Gender:	Re: Where is Tony-missing-in-action-Abbott ??? Reply #28 - Jan 17^th, 2015 at 7:11pm
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95432 Gender:	Re: Where is Tony-missing-in-action-Abbott ??? Reply #29 - Jan 17^th, 2015 at 10:49pm Google:taqiyya.
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