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MP says male hostages 'not brave'...
Jan 14^th, 2015 at 11:57am

https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/25985756/no-awards-for-male-siege-hostages-nsw-m...

Male hostages who fled the fatal Sydney siege shouldn't receive bravery awards, NSW MP Fred Nile says.

The divisive figure reckons Katrina Dawson and Tori Johnson, who were both killed along with gunman Man Haron Monis in the 16-hour siege, should receive the awards.

Bravery awards should not be given to the men who fled the Lindt Cafe during the fatal 16-hour siege, NSW MP and Christian leader Fred Nile says. Photo: AAP

But the men who escaped from the Lindt Cafe don't.

"They should get recognition for what they suffered as hostages but I don't think they should get bravery awards," Mr Nile told Fairfax Radio.

"Maybe they could have done something more to protect the women."

"Normally bravery awards are given for an act of bravery - that somebody actually does something. They haven't done anything."

A) I'd suggest he try it some time.

B) What would he have them do under a gun?

C) Awards should only be given for proven acts of bravery. Sorry - there is little to no sign that the lawyer lady did anything exceptional, apart from die. Awards are not given for bravery for dying.

D) I doubt any of them expected any 'bravery' awards anyway. Certainly I wouldn't in their situation. Just glad to get out alive.

E) What IS it with this guy and this 'the men should have protected the women' - by irritating the gunman and taking a load of buckshot? HTS does that 'protect' anyone?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139151 Gender:	Re: MP says male hostages 'not brave'... Reply #1 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 12:01pm 'the men should have protected the women' Sexist, religious nut-job.
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Reply #2 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 12:45pm

I tend to agree somewhat with Nile.

How many bank tellers, retailers shop assistants etc get shotguns pointed at them by psychos every day, without being recognised with bravery awards?

If one selflessly puts one's own personal safety on the line to protect others then they should definitely be recognised. If any of the hostages did this then they should be recognised with some sort of bravery award.

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HooYAY its FriYAY Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 980 Gender:	Re: MP says male hostages 'not brave'... Reply #3 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 12:54pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 12:01pm: 'the men should have protected the women' Sexist, religious nut-job. LOL Peccer would run like a scared little girl! Does not surprise me.
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Reply #4 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 1:01pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 12:45pm:

I tend to agree somewhat with Nile.

How many bank tellers, retailers shop assistants etc get shotguns pointed at them by psychos every day, without being recognised with bravery awards?

If one selflessly puts one's own personal safety on the line to protect others then they should definitely be recognised. If any of the hostages did this then they should be recognised with some sort of bravery award.

You "tend.....somewhat" do you? How jolly spikey it must be eating toffee while sitting on the fence. I agree with Nile 100%.

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innocentbystander. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4723 Gender:	Re: MP says male hostages 'not brave'... Reply #5 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 1:05pm Its a politically correct progressive world these days where students get A's just for turning up to class and hostages get medals just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139151 Gender:	Re: MP says male hostages 'not brave'... Reply #6 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 1:11pm Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 11:57am: B) What would he have them do under a gun? Monday's experts
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Reply #7 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 1:14pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 11:57am:

https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/25985756/no-awards-for-male-siege-hostages-nsw-m...

Male hostages who fled the fatal Sydney siege shouldn't receive bravery awards, NSW MP Fred Nile says.

The divisive figure reckons Katrina Dawson and Tori Johnson, who were both killed along with gunman Man Haron Monis in the 16-hour siege, should receive the awards.

Bravery awards should not be given to the men who fled the Lindt Cafe during the fatal 16-hour siege, NSW MP and Christian leader Fred Nile says. Photo: AAP

But the men who escaped from the Lindt Cafe don't.

"They should get recognition for what they suffered as hostages but I don't think they should get bravery awards," Mr Nile told Fairfax Radio.

"Maybe they could have done something more to protect the women."

"Normally bravery awards are given for an act of bravery - that somebody actually does something. They haven't done anything."

A) I'd suggest he try it some time.

B) What would he have them do under a gun?

C) Awards should only be given for proven acts of bravery. Sorry - there is little to no sign that the lawyer lady did anything exceptional, apart from die. Awards are not given for bravery for dying.

D) I doubt any of them expected any 'bravery' awards anyway. Certainly I wouldn't in their situation. Just glad to get out alive.

E) What IS it with this guy and this 'the men should have protected the women' - by irritating the gunman and taking a load of buckshot? HTS does that 'protect' anyone?

Grappler - I agree.

getting out alive would be a good outcome for me.

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Reply #8 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 1:30pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 1:01pm:

Swagman wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 12:45pm:

I tend to agree somewhat with Nile.

How many bank tellers, retailers shop assistants etc get shotguns pointed at them by psychos every day, without being recognised with bravery awards?

If one selflessly puts one's own personal safety on the line to protect others then they should definitely be recognised. If any of the hostages did this then they should be recognised with some sort of bravery award.

You "tend.....somewhat" do you? How jolly spikey it must be eating toffee while sitting on the fence. I agree with Nile 100%.

I only "tended: and "somewhatted" Aussie old bean, because I believe that the hostages that escaped early on acted bravely.

They likely didn't know whether they were going to walk smack into another armed psycho?

They were also able to give the authorities vital info.

They were likely looking after their own 'A' but acted bravely nevertheless... Huh

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38843 Gender:	Re: MP says male hostages 'not brave'... Reply #9 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 1:46pm So, they were brave for that. How jolly.
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Julius Abbott Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 792 Gender:	Re: MP says male hostages 'not brave'... Reply #10 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 2:09pm Nile is a nutter. But he has a point on this. Why should someone who ran away or did nothing get a bravery award? Is not crapping your pants while you flee danger what passes for bravery nowadays?
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innocentbystander. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4723 Gender:	Re: MP says male hostages 'not brave'... Reply #11 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 2:20pm I should get a bravery award for hanging out on this board, only a real hero would risk his sanity by associating with you lot.
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Rocketanski Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1335 Gender:	Re: MP says male hostages 'not brave'... Reply #12 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 2:21pm I only ones who deserves a bravery award is the poor bugger that got executed and the cops that had the guts to storm the shop.
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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: MP says male hostages 'not brave'... Reply #13 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 2:34pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 12:01pm: 'the men should have protected the women' Sexist, religious nut-job. true though. And the women would have expected the men to do so.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139151 Gender:	Re: MP says male hostages 'not brave'... Reply #14 - Jan 14^th, 2015 at 2:38pm Rocketanski wrote on Jan 14^th, 2015 at 2:21pm: I only ones who deserves a bravery award is the poor bugger that got executed and the cops that had the guts to storm the shop. What about the woman killed by the police?
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