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Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Reply #105 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:29pm

Quantum wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:24pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

In reality, blaming the magazine staff for the actions of some religious whackjobs is akin to blaming rape victims for the actions of the rapists, or (since this is Ozpol), blaming victims of paedophile priests for being molested.

you still havent answered me..

was the CARTOON worth 17 people to die for

I know all about the high and mighty response..

giving in is like telling the paedos they have free reign... yeah right...thats like claiming we HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH IN THIS COUNTRY and we will fight to the death for it..

Roll Eyes

I'd have to say yes. Also, given how much reprinting the magazine s doing (with the support of the victims families) I'd guess they think so too.

fine so life is cheap.... as like Michael Jackson only in death did they reap the reward..

trouble is I doubt this MONEY... wont last will it.?

you can only spend money once.....where as you can hug a person over and over..

maybe like you MONEY is more important...to those who paid the ultimate price a life sacrificed

mmmmm I still know which I would rather....

why?? do you think the extremists are finished??????... do you think they will be happy with thousands more copies on the book stands......

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Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Reply #106 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:30pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

I am not now nor have I ever been a homosexual.

So, you're not ruling it out in the future?

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

Longy is both a paid up member of the Liberal Party & the Hillsong Church.

forgiven

How can you forgive him for that?

Dear Greggy,

I am not now nor have I ever been - nor will I ever be a homosexual.

What else can I do but forgive everyone?

( I am a student of master Light & he has taught me to forgive )

bobs what ever happened to all that forgiveness?

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Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Reply #107 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:32pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:01pm:

you still need to explain how ANY LEADER gets legislation passed by a senate that opposes virtually everything.

Solution: Double Dissolution.

Call an early election.

I don't know if it has occurred to you yet but you need to WIN that election in order to pass the legislation. and then what do you do next time? DD again?

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Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Reply #108 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:33pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:29pm:

Quantum wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:24pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

In reality, blaming the magazine staff for the actions of some religious whackjobs is akin to blaming rape victims for the actions of the rapists, or (since this is Ozpol), blaming victims of paedophile priests for being molested.

you still havent answered me..

was the CARTOON worth 17 people to die for

I know all about the high and mighty response..

giving in is like telling the paedos they have free reign... yeah right...thats like claiming we HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH IN THIS COUNTRY and we will fight to the death for it..

Roll Eyes

I'd have to say yes. Also, given how much reprinting the magazine s doing (with the support of the victims families) I'd guess they think so too.

fine so life is cheap.... as like Michael Jackson only in death did they reap the reward..

trouble is I doubt this MONEY... wont last will it.?

you can only spend money once.....where as you can hug a person over and over..

maybe like you MONEY is more important...to those who paid the ultimate price a life sacrificed

mmmmm I still know which I would rather....

why?? do you think the extremists are finished??????... do you think they will be happy with thousands more copies on the book stands......

THEY ARE NEVER FINISHED CODS!!! That is the point you so stubbornly refused to get or understand. It is never about any particular incident. They hate us PERIOD. Was the Lindt siege caused by anything we actually did?

grow up and get a set.

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Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Reply #109 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:38pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:22pm:

Gnads wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:24pm:

stryder wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:36am:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:31am:

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Cods, just because the extremists believe it doesn't mean that the staff at the magazine are required to.
And yes, given the right situation, I would tell them to go away and not kill over something so trivial. Yes, I understand they might shoot me, however that's not the point.
Giving in is the wrong response

ok so being killed or getting your staff killed// is not the point.....is not the point..is not the point...

Shocked

so if you were being robbed by a man with an AK47 who said he would kill you if you didnt hand over all you have......

you would tell him NO DEAL....

because it would go against your belief "giving in" mean failure.... not commonsense..

"principle" it is worth dying for.

Sometimes principles are worth standing up for and need be, dying for, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE NEED TO STAND UP TO BULLIES, especially ISLAMO FASCIST ONES,

Not cower in extreme embarrassing cowardice as you have displayed here.

Sorry cods, but that needed to be said.

Cods - " principle it is worth dying for" ...........

apparently many of your ancestors thought so

else you may not be here.

really I do hope my ancestors... were at least ARMED and could defend themselves..

maybe like gizmo you would be happy having them die for principle as long as MONEY was part of the deal..

I do not see cowardice being involved in asking someone to stop drawing insulting cartoons...

yet you see it is so....you would put your family on death watch for a cartoon..

amazing....

it is your right of course.. its called bravery in your world..mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I still know what I would rather..I find it sad you need to call me a coward...just to prove your point...but it isnt unexpected..

I see insulting people as Embarrassing....I would hope civilised people were bigger than that

You're always insulting people... that is why you breathe! Grin

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Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Reply #110 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:56pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:29pm:

Quantum wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:24pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

In reality, blaming the magazine staff for the actions of some religious whackjobs is akin to blaming rape victims for the actions of the rapists, or (since this is Ozpol), blaming victims of paedophile priests for being molested.

you still havent answered me..

was the CARTOON worth 17 people to die for

I know all about the high and mighty response..

giving in is like telling the paedos they have free reign... yeah right...thats like claiming we HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH IN THIS COUNTRY and we will fight to the death for it..

Roll Eyes

I'd have to say yes. Also, given how much reprinting the magazine s doing (with the support of the victims families) I'd guess they think so too.

fine so life is cheap.... as like Michael Jackson only in death did they reap the reward..

trouble is I doubt this MONEY... wont last will it.?

you can only spend money once.....where as you can hug a person over and over..

maybe like you MONEY is more important...to those who paid the ultimate price a life sacrificed

mmmmm I still know which I would rather....

why?? do you think the extremists are finished??????... do you think they will be happy with thousands more copies on the book stands......

Why? Because you don't get it despite it being explained over and over again. Every response is emotional without reason. Gizmo wasn't even talking about money but about the popularity the magazine is experiencing because they won't be silenced and people support that. This has nothing to do with getting rich at the cost of loved ones. It is about principles and the need for society not to give into fear.

This has been brought up many times, including by myself directly in reply to you, but here we go again...

If we stop saying things that upset Muslims, how long until other groups, religions, organisations, etc, start demanding that they get left alone to? If buddhist demand they be exempt from mockery, do they get their request as well? Or does it depend on whether they are likely to shoot the place up?

If you give into their request as well, then sooner or later everyone and everything will be off limits. If you don't, then you are making a special rule for Muslims, as well as admitting that society will bend over for anyone willing to kill to get what it wants. Worse still, if it is the latter, then how long until Muslims start wanting their next demand met? Will we give in again just incase they shoot us?

The question you keep asking (is it worth 17 lives) is the same question that can be asked about every cop who gets killed on duty, or every solider who falls on the battle field. Do we want soldiers dying trying to stop Nazi Germany? No, but we don't want Nazi Germany taking over Europe either. Does anyone want these writers in France to die because of Muslim extremist who are offended? No, but we don't want to give up our values and principles because terrorist might kill us for them. Otherwise we might as well put ourselves under sharia law now and be done with it, otherwise we might have a few more killings.

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Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Reply #111 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 4:12pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:18am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

In reality, blaming the magazine staff for the actions of some religious whackjobs is akin to blaming rape victims for the actions of the rapists, or (since this is Ozpol), blaming victims of paedophile priests for being molested.

you still havent answered me..

was the CARTOON worth 17 people to die for

I know all about the high and mighty response..

giving in is like telling the paedos they have free reign... yeah right...thats like claiming we HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH IN THIS COUNTRY and we will fight to the death for it..

Roll Eyes

I'd have to say yes. Also, given how much reprinting the magazine s doing (with the support of the victims families) I'd guess they think so too.

fine so life is cheap.... as like Michael Jackson only in death did they reap the reward..

trouble is I doubt this MONEY... wont last will it.?

you can only spend money once.....where as you can hug a person over and over..

maybe like you MONEY is more important...to those who paid the ultimate price a life sacrificed

mmmmm I still know which I would rather....

No cods...it's NOT about the money (not with the reprinting anyway). It's about showing that they (the press, or the free people etc) can't be silenced....You know, the same attitude that whistle blowers like Assange etc have.

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Reply #112 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 4:41pm

Why is cod struggling with the concept of Standing Up to Be Counted. If this were an anit-pedo thread she would be abusing anyone who disagreed with the slightest part of her argument. Surely, standing up and being counted against terrorism is pretty much everyones starting point. For goodness sake, even the French - perennial cowards and wavers of the white flag - are standing up to be counted.

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Reply #113 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:15pm

Quantum wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:56pm:

why?? do you think the extremists are finished??????... do you think they will be happy with thousands more copies on the book stands......

Why? Because you don't get it despite it being explained over and over again. Every response is emotional without reason. Gizmo wasn't even talking about money but about the popularity the magazine is experiencing because they won't be silenced and people support that. This has nothing to do with getting rich at the cost of loved ones. It is about principles and the need for society not to give into fear.

This has been brought up many times, including by myself directly in reply to you, but here we go again...

If we stop saying things that upset Muslims, how long until other groups, religions, organisations, etc, start demanding that they get left alone to? If buddhist demand they be exempt from mockery, do they get their request as well? Or does it depend on whether they are likely to shoot the place up?

If you give into their request as well, then sooner or later everyone and everything will be off limits. If you don't, then you are making a special rule for Muslims, as well as admitting that society will bend over for anyone willing to kill to get what it wants. Worse still, if it is the latter, then how long until Muslims start wanting their next demand met? Will we give in again just incase they shoot us?

The question you keep asking (is it worth 17 lives) is the same question that can be asked about every cop who gets killed on duty, or every solider who falls on the battle field. Do we want soldiers dying trying to stop Nazi Germany? No, but we don't want Nazi Germany taking over Europe either. Does anyone want these writers in France to die because of Muslim extremist who are offended? No, but we don't want to give up our values and principles because terrorist might kill us for them. Otherwise we might as well put ourselves under sharia law now and be done with it, otherwise we might have a few more killings.

why do you guys.. keep bringing in every equation....

I am TALKING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR OCCASION..

you want to fight and antagonise thats fine??.....

you have made that perfectly clear.....

I do not think US THE WEST.. are always RIGHT> you do...obviously...even if the reasoning is a bit obscure....

so what are you afraid of they will ask for next if we stop producing cartoons.... I did notice that the Danish paper that was and still is I believe under threat because of a cartoon... have not joined in the hip hip hurray for Charlie....they have not published another cartoon that would offend...

this was deliberate antagonistic action...

this is what I am talking about...I am not talking about soldiers or police....why do you bring in every other... "what about this".....Nazis...come on... you are the drama queen..

your way is making the angry bees angrier.. why inflame an already volatile situation.... this is what I am saying...

the cartoons were sick they were rude and insulting...

who did they benefit????....

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Reply #114 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:18pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:15pm:

Quantum wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:56pm:

why?? do you think the extremists are finished??????... do you think they will be happy with thousands more copies on the book stands......

Why? Because you don't get it despite it being explained over and over again. Every response is emotional without reason. Gizmo wasn't even talking about money but about the popularity the magazine is experiencing because they won't be silenced and people support that. This has nothing to do with getting rich at the cost of loved ones. It is about principles and the need for society not to give into fear.

This has been brought up many times, including by myself directly in reply to you, but here we go again...

If we stop saying things that upset Muslims, how long until other groups, religions, organisations, etc, start demanding that they get left alone to? If buddhist demand they be exempt from mockery, do they get their request as well? Or does it depend on whether they are likely to shoot the place up?

If you give into their request as well, then sooner or later everyone and everything will be off limits. If you don't, then you are making a special rule for Muslims, as well as admitting that society will bend over for anyone willing to kill to get what it wants. Worse still, if it is the latter, then how long until Muslims start wanting their next demand met? Will we give in again just incase they shoot us?

The question you keep asking (is it worth 17 lives) is the same question that can be asked about every cop who gets killed on duty, or every solider who falls on the battle field. Do we want soldiers dying trying to stop Nazi Germany? No, but we don't want Nazi Germany taking over Europe either. Does anyone want these writers in France to die because of Muslim extremist who are offended? No, but we don't want to give up our values and principles because terrorist might kill us for them. Otherwise we might as well put ourselves under sharia law now and be done with it, otherwise we might have a few more killings.

why do you guys.. keep bringing in every equation....

I am TALKING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR OCCASION..

you want to fight and antagonise thats fine??.....

you have made that perfectly clear.....

I do not think US THE WEST.. are always RIGHT> you do...obviously...even if the reasoning is a bit obscure....

so what are you afraid of they will ask for next if we stop producing cartoons.... I did notice that the Danish paper that was and still is I believe under threat because of a cartoon... have not joined in the hip hip hurray for Charlie....they have not published another cartoon that would offend...

this was deliberate antagonistic action...

this is what I am talking about...I am not talking about soldiers or police....why do you bring in every other... "what about this".....Nazis...come on... you are the drama queen..

your way is making the angry bees angrier.. why inflame an already volatile situation.... this is what I am saying...

the cartoons were sick they were rude and insulting...

who did they benefit????....

YOU DESERVE WHAT YOU TOLERATE

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Reply #115 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:22pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

I am not now nor have I ever been a homosexual.

So, you're not ruling it out in the future?

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

Longy is both a paid up member of the Liberal Party & the Hillsong Church.

forgiven

How can you forgive him for that?

Dear Greggy,

I am not now nor have I ever been - nor will I ever be a homosexual.

What else can I do but forgive everyone?

( I am a student of master Light & he has taught me to forgive )

bobs what ever happened to all that forgiveness?

all are forgiven unconditionally,

and LOVED beyond measure,

it is better to conquer thyself than to win 1000 battles...

in LOVE and LIGHT

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Reply #116 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:30pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 4:41pm:

Why is cod struggling with the concept of Standing Up to Be Counted. If this were an anit-pedo thread she would be abusing anyone who disagreed with the slightest part of her argument. Surely, standing up and being counted against terrorism is pretty much everyones starting point. For goodness sake, even the French - perennial cowards and wavers of the white flag - are standing up to be counted.

what is saying dont print the cartoon...got to do with STANDING UP AND BEING COUNTED??

we are talking about DEATH...sorry your not I know

now we have had Hitler WW11 Nazism and now paedos all brought in to justify you STANDING UP AND BEING COUNTED..

it has not a thing to do with FREEDOM OF SPEECH that is crap......the cartoons were insulting... [to someone].

they threatened the magazine with DEATH...no ifs or buts..

and they carried out their THREAT.....

what principle was involved in not withdrawing a cartoon...that would have saved 17 lives.. escapes me????.......

there is not such thing as FREEDOM of SPEECH..

we all bend when we have too...

to me insulting the people who threaten to kill..

is like kicking the angry beehive full of killer bees...why do it?..........

do you think those people that are now dead... for a cartoon....

would think STANDING UP AND BEING COUNTED was the right way to approach this.?...

stop side tracking to make your point.....paedos have no place in this topic....

and to compare with something that was 70 odd years ago is bizarre....

this isnt war as it was in WW11...and it never will be...these guys plotted and planned this....and not a soul was prepared no warnings nothing... you/we are dealing with pure evil....sometimes it pays to give in a little....dont forget you guys are talking a long way from where the threats are.....

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Reply #117 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:35pm

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:30pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 4:41pm:

Why is cod struggling with the concept of Standing Up to Be Counted. If this were an anit-pedo thread she would be abusing anyone who disagreed with the slightest part of her argument. Surely, standing up and being counted against terrorism is pretty much everyones starting point. For goodness sake, even the French - perennial cowards and wavers of the white flag - are standing up to be counted.

what is saying dont print the cartoon...got to do with STANDING UP AND BEING COUNTED??

we are talking about DEATH...sorry your not I know

now we have had Hitler WW11 Nazism and now paedos all brought in to justify you STANDING UP AND BEING COUNTED..

it has not a thing to do with FREEDOM OF SPEECH that is crap......the cartoons were insulting... [to someone].

they threatened the magazine with DEATH...no ifs or buts..

and they carried out their THREAT.....

what principle was involved in not withdrawing a cartoon...that would have saved 17 lives.. escapes me????.......

there is not such thing as FREEDOM of SPEECH..

we all bend when we have too...

to me insulting the people who threaten to kill..

is like kicking the angry beehive full of killer bees...why do it?..........

do you think those people that are now dead... for a cartoon....

would think STANDING UP AND BEING COUNTED was the right way to approach this.?...

stop side tracking to make your point.....paedos have no place in this topic....

and to compare with something that was 70 odd years ago is bizarre....

this isnt war as it was in WW11...and it never will be...these guys plotted and planned this....and not a soul was prepared no warnings nothing... you/we are dealing with pure evil....sometimes it pays to give in a little....dont forget you guys are talking a long way from where the threats are.....

you just don't get it. You don't have a clue. No matter how hard anyone tries to explain it to you, you don't actually disagree. No, you actually don't understand the argument.

Well fortunately other people do and are making the stand against terrorism that you are too cowardly to make,

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Reply #118 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:35pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:18pm:

YOU DESERVE WHAT YOU TOLERATE

how about... you chose the actions... you chose the CONSEQUENCES.......

CHarlie was given a clue what the consequences would be.....

its you who is intolerant.... you do not respect someone else...its a well know fact the extremists do not like insulting cartoons... it isnt new...

so go ahead and kick the beehive...if its what you want to do...

all I am asking is... what good will it do?...

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Reply #119 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:36pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 5:22pm:

cods wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

I am not now nor have I ever been a homosexual.

So, you're not ruling it out in the future?

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 3:17pm:

Longy is both a paid up member of the Liberal Party & the Hillsong Church.

forgiven

How can you forgive him for that?

Dear Greggy,

I am not now nor have I ever been - nor will I ever be a homosexual.

What else can I do but forgive everyone?

( I am a student of master Light & he has taught me to forgive )

bobs what ever happened to all that forgiveness?

all are forgiven unconditionally,

and LOVED beyond measure,

it is better to conquer thyself than to win 1000 battles...

in LOVE and LIGHT

namaste

I am proud of you.........longy is too though dont expect him to say so.. Wink

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