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Reply #30 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 8:15am
 
ian wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 8:10am:
stryder wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 8:04am:
Ian, YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT ISLAM DONT YOU ??? YOU DEFEND THIS RELIGION AND YOU HAVE NO REAL UNDERSTANDING OF THE ISLAMIC RELIGION.  ??

Didnt it occur to you that there are NO CARTOONS MOCKING JESUS FROM MUSLIMS because jesus is seen as a prophet as well in ISLAM ???

Didnt that occur to you ? that jesus is revered and has a place in the islamic religion ????????  Grin Grin Grin

If your going to defend it a religion like ISLAM, READ ABOUT IT FIRST,  Cheesy Cheesy
Ive forgotten more about this than you will ever know, thanks for proving my point. even though you are too dumb to realise it.



Your a fool IAN, not just forgetful

I just smashed your argument there, and it was a SIX,  Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #31 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 8:20am
 
Thanks for playing stonker  Wink
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Reply #32 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 8:22am
 
I don't blame the victim.

I blame the perpertrator
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Reply #33 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 8:26am
 
ian wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 8:20am:
Thanks for playing stonker  Wink
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My pleasure, it was fun smashing your argument back there. and exposing you as a fool with no real knowledge of Islam, that you defend
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Reply #34 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 8:29am
 
What arguement? Lol. I i dont even have one, all Im  doing is let you make yourself  look stupid by highlighting the inconsistencies in your logic.
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Reply #35 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 8:33am
 
ian wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 6:45am:
not my point cods, 12 people get killed in France who deliberatly insulted in print and the whole world goes apesh!t, 2000 black people get killed in  Africa for no reason and silence. This isnt about freedom of speech, its about racism.


Yes. 4 babies frozen to death in Gaza as a direct result of Israel. Incredible suffering as people are forced to live in tents with no electricity in the bombed out shells of their homes during one of the cruellest winters on record.

And that's just Gaza whose suffering is a popular cause with activists who make sure we hear about it through alternatives to mainstream media. What about all the horrors that are happening as we speak all over the world. On our doorstep even - think PNG.

The MSM has its priorities skewed beyond repair.
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Reply #36 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 8:37am
 
ian wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 8:29am:
What arguement? Lol. I i dont even have one,
all Im  doing is let you make yourself  look stupid by highlighting the inconsistencies in your logic.


No argument ! Talking about inconsistencies ?

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please show all the offensive cartoons of Jesus published by Muslims.
By Ian

And IAN didnt know that muslims dont knock jesus in cartoons because he has a place in the Islamic religion just like Noah and abraham.

IAN, didnt know that jesus is seen as a prophet in ISLAM,


Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Your a fool ian, you defend Islam and you know shyte about it.

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #37 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 8:56am
 
ian wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 2:26am:
I said from the start they had an agenda. A former Charlie hebdo journalist confirms it.  keep supporting these idiots .
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To Charlie Hebdo, it’s always been good form to scoff at the “fat idiots” who like football and watching TF1 [television network]. A slippery slope. Belief in one’s own superiority, accustomed to looking down on the common herd, is the surest way to sabotage one’s own intellectual defences and to allow them to fall over in the least gust of wind. Your own, although supported by a good education, comfortable income and the pleasant team spirit of “Charlie’s gang”, collapsed at a stupefying speed. I remember a full-page article by Caroline Fourest which appeared on June 11 2008. In it, she recounted her friendly meeting with the Dutch cartoonist Gregorius Nekschot, who had gotten some grief for representing his Muslim fellow-countrymen in a particularly hilarious way. Judge for yourself: an imam dressed as Santa Claus buggering a goat, with the caption: “We have to share our traditions”. Or an Arab, slumped on a couch and lost in thought: “The Qur’an doesn’t say if you have to do anything to be on the dole for 30 years.” Or even the “monument to the slavery of white indigenous taxpayers”: a Dutch person in foot shackles, carrying a black person on his back, arms crossed and sucking on a pacifier. Foul racism? Oh come on, it’s freedom of expression! Certainly, Fourest granted, the slightly coarse humour of her friend “doesn’t always travel well”, but it must be understood “in the Dutch context which is ultra-tolerant, even angelic, towards fundamentalism.” Whose fault is it if Muslims leave themselves open to gags with export difficulties? That of Muslims themselves and their over-angelic allies, obviously. As Nekschot himself explained to Charlie Hebdo’s readers, “Muslims must understand that humour has been part of our tradition for centuries.”

No-one in your office up and quit after this insufficiently-noticed page, which after all did no more than sanctify a process which had begun six or seven years earlier. Birds of a tolerant feather flock together. But when I read this in your Le Monde article: “We are almost ashamed to remind you that anti-racism and passion for equality of all human beings are and will remain the founding principles of Charlie Hebdo”, the only information I got from it is that your team are not completely immune to shame. Really?

After Val and Fourest left in 2009, called to higher things - one as head of a public radio network, the other to the podiums of official anti-racism - we might have wondered if you would continue to follow their lead in their absence. The least we can say is that you have remained faithful to their line. You’ve absorbed it down to the core, it seems.

Today, those flies which Tignous never fails to add buzzing round the heads of his “beards” are more than ever attracted to your imagination, as soon as you “laugh at” Muslims. In a video posted on the Charlie Hebdo website at the end of 2011, we saw you, Charb, imitate the Islamic call to prayer, to the rapt giggles of your little buddies. What a hilarious new version of the Qur’anic recitation for your magazine’s deadline; Michel Leeb [famous French impressionist - trans.] could not have done better. What collective poison would you have had to stew in to get to this point? From what psychological depths did you drag up the nerve to “laugh” at a cartoon representing veiled women baring their buttocks as they bow in prayer towards “Mecca-relle” [a pun on maquerelle, the madam of a brothel - trans.]?  This pathetic stream of crap isn’t even shameful; its stupidity embarrasses you, even before it reveals your state of mind, your vision of the world.


http://posthypnotic.randomstatic.net/charliehebdo/Charlie_Hebdo_article%2011.htm

Je suis non Charlie


Pity you left out the postscript ian...I think it applies to you rather nicely:

"Postscript 11 January 2015: to all those who think that this article was validation in advance of the shameful terrorist attack against Charlie Hebdo (that they were asking for it), the editorial team of Article 11 would like to give a hearty middle finger to such vultures. To make things absolutely clear, please see this text."
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Reply #38 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:07am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 5:47am:
They had it coming and they knew it, that's why they needed police protection after several threats, the type of threats a sensible person would listen to.



And then bow down to the next threat...

And the next threat....

And the next threat....

Huh
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Reply #39 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:10am
 
HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:07am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 5:47am:
They had it coming and they knew it, that's why they needed police protection after several threats, the type of threats a sensible person would listen to.



And then bow down to the next threat...

And the next threat....

And the next threat....

Huh



You should listen to yourself Pansi.

They had it coming??

Are you seriously saying that submitting to bullies is the new leftist doctrine.  I"ll inform all the women who are victims of domestic violence, all the kids who are molested.

They had it coming??

that is the worst piece of drivel I have read on this forum
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Reply #40 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:21am
 
HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:07am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 5:47am:
They had it coming and they knew it, that's why they needed police protection after several threats, the type of threats a sensible person would listen to.



And then bow down to the next threat...

And the next threat....

And the next threat....

Huh


So, on one is allowed to have integrity, or the courage of their convictions??

So then Nelson Mandela should have given up on his fight with the South African government when he was threatened with arrest, and all the environmental protesters, and the Occupy protesters should leave the protest sites when told to by the police???
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Reply #41 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:38am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:21am:
HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:07am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 5:47am:
They had it coming and they knew it, that's why they needed police protection after several threats, the type of threats a sensible person would listen to.



And then bow down to the next threat...

And the next threat....

And the next threat....

Huh


So, on one is allowed to have integrity, or the courage of their convictions??

So then Nelson Mandela should have given up on his fight with the South African government when he was threatened with arrest, and all the environmental protesters, and the Occupy protesters should leave the protest sites when told to by the police???



that is so immature.....

where is the connection between any of that.. and drawing a cartoon..?

if you cannot see the difference....then you really shouldnt be having this discussion its too difficult for you.
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Reply #42 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:40am
 
cods wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:38am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:21am:
HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:07am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 5:47am:
They had it coming and they knew it, that's why they needed police protection after several threats, the type of threats a sensible person would listen to.



And then bow down to the next threat...

And the next threat....

And the next threat....

Huh


So, on one is allowed to have integrity, or the courage of their convictions??

So then Nelson Mandela should have given up on his fight with the South African government when he was threatened with arrest, and all the environmental protesters, and the Occupy protesters should leave the protest sites when told to by the police???



that is so immature.....

where is the connection between any of that.. and drawing a cartoon..?

if you cannot see the difference....then you really shouldnt be having this discussion its too difficult for you.


The connection is that neither Mandela, nor the various protesters caved in to threats and intimidation....so why should the staff of a magazine have to cave in??.

And I'm sorry cods..but drawing a cartoon does NOT ever carry the death penalty, in the modern civilised world.
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Reply #43 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:43am
 
cods wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 6:02am:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 5:00am:
LONDON (CNNMoney)
Copies of the new edition of Charlie Hebdo were offered for more than $700 on eBay on Wednesday with sellers hoping to cash in on enormous demand in the wake of last week's attack.

At least 20 advertisers were selling copies of the publication for between $60 and $759 on eBay.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/14/media/charlie-hebdo-ebay/index.html



didnt you know bobs......people paying that think it will help the poor souls who died.....its a kind of FINGER SALUTE that says we dont care how many you kill..

that CARTOON was worth it.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

is the money going to the families of the victims?




I think so - a fair bit of the money from news stands.

That's good.

I don't like how people are profiteering on Ebay out of tragedy & that extra money will
just go into the Ebay sellers pocket.

shame!
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Reply #44 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:45am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 8:22am:
I don't blame the victim.

I blame the perpertrator




REALLY??...

so who was the VICTIM

and who was the PERP?...

you see the extremist see themselves as the VICTIM..

and the perp IS CHARLIE.....

everyone has an opinion on this...and the facts are what count.

not what you or I think....

and the FACTS ARE

17 people DEAD BECAUSE OF A CARTOON....

was it worth it?????....
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