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Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Reply #45 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:46am
 
cods wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:45am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 8:22am:
I don't blame the victim.

I blame the perpertrator




REALLY??...

so who was the VICTIM

and who was the PERP?...


you see the extremist see themselves as the VICTIM..

and the perp IS CHARLIE.....

everyone has an opinion on this...and the facts are what count.

not what you or I think....

and the FACTS ARE

17 people DEAD BECAUSE OF A CARTOON....

was it worth it?????....


The victims are the dead, and the perps are the nutters who shot them, simple really.
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Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Reply #46 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:54am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:40am:
cods wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:38am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:21am:
HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:07am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 5:47am:
They had it coming and they knew it, that's why they needed police protection after several threats, the type of threats a sensible person would listen to.



And then bow down to the next threat...

And the next threat....

And the next threat....

Huh


So, on one is allowed to have integrity, or the courage of their convictions??

So then Nelson Mandela should have given up on his fight with the South African government when he was threatened with arrest, and all the environmental protesters, and the Occupy protesters should leave the protest sites when told to by the police???



that is so immature.....

where is the connection between any of that.. and drawing a cartoon..?

if you cannot see the difference....then you really shouldnt be having this discussion its too difficult for you.


The connection is that neither Mandela, nor the various protesters caved in to threats and intimidation....so why should the staff of a magazine have to cave in??.

DID THEY GET THREATENED WITH DEATH? IF THEY DIDNT STOP PROTESTING?...




And I'm sorry cods..but drawing a cartoon does NOT ever carry the death penalty, in the modern civilised world.



YOU STILL DO NOT GET IT DO YOU...

THE EXTREMISTS SAYS THE" CARTOON" IS WORTH KILLING OVER...

will you tell the extremists they are not modern.. therefore they should go away.....and not KILL..

you are arguing as if I have some power over the extremists...

I know all you are saying.. it all makes a lot of sense I couldnt agree more...

DRAWING A CARTOON DOES NOT CARRY THE DEATH SENTENCE>>>

I agree....totally...

TELL THAT TO THE EXTREMISTS and the will BLOW YOU AWAY>

you are not looking on this from where the extremists stand on this one.......

they say DRAWING A CARTOON OF MUHAMMAD DOES CARRY THE DEATH SENTENCE...

that my friend is reality......its not a LAW got nothing to do with high minded righteousness

just plain old fashioned reality....

if you have the magic to brainwash the terrorists into believing what you believe   well good luck to you....

you see they wont take a scrap of notice of me.
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Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Reply #47 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:56am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:46am:
cods wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:45am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 8:22am:
I don't blame the victim.

I blame the perpertrator




REALLY??...

so who was the VICTIM

and who was the PERP?...


you see the extremist see themselves as the VICTIM..

and the perp IS CHARLIE.....

everyone has an opinion on this...and the facts are what count.

not what you or I think....

and the FACTS ARE

17 people DEAD BECAUSE OF A CARTOON....

was it worth it?????....


The victims are the dead, and the perps are the nutters who shot them, simple really.



in your opinion... not in the minds of the extremists...

tell me.. was it worth it..was printing the insulting cartoons worth 17 dead??...

please answer me that either way if you can you should justify your answer...

because to me it was a huge price to pay to insult someone who didnt like being insulted...
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Reply #48 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 10:03am
 
Cods, more and more I am finding your cowering and submission (which is the meaning of the word Islam) to the ISLAMO FACIST BULLIES truly disturbing.

If these same people attacked women for not wearing the Hijab, niqab or burka

You probably jump in fear and wear one.
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Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Reply #49 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 10:04am
 
cods wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:54am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:40am:
cods wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:38am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:21am:
HooYAY its FriYAY wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:07am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 5:47am:
They had it coming and they knew it, that's why they needed police protection after several threats, the type of threats a sensible person would listen to.



And then bow down to the next threat...

And the next threat....

And the next threat....

Huh


So, on one is allowed to have integrity, or the courage of their convictions??

So then Nelson Mandela should have given up on his fight with the South African government when he was threatened with arrest, and all the environmental protesters, and the Occupy protesters should leave the protest sites when told to by the police???



that is so immature.....

where is the connection between any of that.. and drawing a cartoon..?

if you cannot see the difference....then you really shouldnt be having this discussion its too difficult for you.


The connection is that neither Mandela, nor the various protesters caved in to threats and intimidation....so why should the staff of a magazine have to cave in??.

DID THEY GET THREATENED WITH DEATH? IF THEY DIDNT STOP PROTESTING?...




And I'm sorry cods..but drawing a cartoon does NOT ever carry the death penalty, in the modern civilised world.



YOU STILL DO NOT GET IT DO YOU...

THE EXTREMISTS SAYS THE" CARTOON" IS WORTH KILLING OVER...

will you tell the extremists they are not modern.. therefore they should go away.....and not KILL..


you are arguing as if I have some power over the extremists...

I know all you are saying.. it all makes a lot of sense I couldnt agree more...

DRAWING A CARTOON DOES NOT CARRY THE DEATH SENTENCE>>>

I agree....totally...

TELL THAT TO THE EXTREMISTS and the will BLOW YOU AWAY>

you are not looking on this from where the extremists stand on this one.......

they say DRAWING A CARTOON OF MUHAMMAD DOES CARRY THE DEATH SENTENCE...

that my friend is reality......its not a LAW got nothing to do with high minded righteousness

just plain old fashioned reality....

if you have the magic to brainwash the terrorists into believing what you believe   well good luck to you....

you see they wont take a scrap of notice of me.


Cods, just because the extremists believe it doesn't mean that the staff at the magazine are required to.
And yes, given the right situation, I would tell them to go away and not kill over something so trivial. Yes, I understand they might shoot me, however that's not the point.
Giving in is the wrong response.
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Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Reply #50 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 10:07am
 
In reality, blaming the magazine staff for the actions of some religious whackjobs is akin to blaming rape victims for the actions of the rapists, or (since this is Ozpol), blaming victims of paedophile priests for being molested.
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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: The truth about Charlie hebdo comes out
Reply #51 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 10:08am
 
ian wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 6:32am:
2000 killed by Boko Haram on friday , mainly women and children who didnt publish any satirical cartoons dont even get a mention. The hypocrisy of these people is enormous.


Two wrongs don't make a right. The fact remains that these people are willing to kill others based on criticisms of some bullshit written in some silly old religious text. It's totally absurd !!
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In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.
 
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Reply #52 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 10:10am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 10:07am:
In reality, blaming the magazine staff for the actions of some religious whackjobs is akin to blaming rape victims for the actions of the rapists, or (since this is Ozpol), blaming victims of paedophile priests for being molested.


which is exactly what muslims do when it comes to rape victims Sad


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Reply #53 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 10:10am
 
stryder wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 10:03am:
Cods, more and more I am finding your cowering and submission (which is the meaning of the word Islam) to the ISLAMO FACIST BULLIES truly disturbing.

If these same people attacked women for not wearing the Hijab, niqab or burka

You probably jump in fear and wear one.


Using cods logic, extreme violence is totally rewarded.

THe most violent are right, no matter what they believe in. It is proved by their extremism.

You are wrong cods. Your thinking is dangerous to freedom.
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Reply #54 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 10:18am
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 10:07am:
In reality, blaming the magazine staff for the actions of some religious whackjobs is akin to blaming rape victims for the actions of the rapists, or (since this is Ozpol), blaming victims of paedophile priests for being molested.




you still havent answered me..

was the CARTOON worth 17 people to die for

I know all about the high and mighty response..

giving in is like telling the paedos they have free reign... yeah right...thats like claiming we HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH IN THIS COUNTRY and we will fight to the death for it..

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #55 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 10:18am
 
cods wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:56am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:46am:
cods wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 9:45am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 8:22am:
I don't blame the victim.

I blame the perpertrator




REALLY??...

so who was the VICTIM

and who was the PERP?...


you see the extremist see themselves as the VICTIM..

and the perp IS CHARLIE.....

everyone has an opinion on this...and the facts are what count.

not what you or I think....

and the FACTS ARE

17 people DEAD BECAUSE OF A CARTOON....

was it worth it?????....


The victims are the dead, and the perps are the nutters who shot them, simple really.



in your opinion... not in the minds of the extremists...

tell me.. was it worth it..was printing the insulting cartoons worth 17 dead??...

please answer me that either way if you can you should justify your answer...

because to me it was a huge price to pay to insult someone who didnt like being insulted...


It's the wrong question. The question you need to ask is it worth killing others over the criticism of ones irrational religious beliefs ? The answer of course has to be no.

The next thing is to stop pandering to religious institutions and stop them brainwashing children at such a young age with their god gobbing muck. No school should be funded if it is aligned with any religious institution. Religious institutions should be taxed on their takings and should not be given tax free charity status. If these people need material money to operate then they can pray to their imaginary gods for the money they need.

After 1000's of years of abuse it's time to stop the rot and religious indoctrination of the public !!
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Reply #56 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 10:19am
 
What a load of crap.  typical Ian seeking a reason to NOT condemn mass murder. The Charlie Hedbo attacks were mass murder, period.

Only a jerk thinks otherwise. Hence Ian.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #57 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 10:20am
 
cods wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 10:18am:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 10:07am:
In reality, blaming the magazine staff for the actions of some religious whackjobs is akin to blaming rape victims for the actions of the rapists, or (since this is Ozpol), blaming victims of paedophile priests for being molested.




you still havent answered me..

was the CARTOON worth 17 people to die for

I know all about the high and mighty response..

giving in is like telling the paedos they have free reign... yeah right...thats like claiming we HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH IN THIS COUNTRY and we will fight to the death for it..

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


damn, you are cowardly.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #58 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 10:20am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 10:10am:
stryder wrote on Jan 15th, 2015 at 10:03am:
Cods, more and more I am finding your cowering and submission (which is the meaning of the word Islam) to the ISLAMO FACIST BULLIES truly disturbing.

If these same people attacked women for not wearing the Hijab, niqab or burka

You probably jump in fear and wear one.


Using cods logic, extreme violence is totally rewarded.

THe most violent are right, no matter what they believe in. It is proved by their extremism.

You are wrong cods. Your thinking is dangerous to freedom.




ok I dont mind being wrong.....

but you believe inflaming the fire is better than trying to put it out...

what danger is it to FREEDOM you claim you have..

withdrawing a insulting cartoon.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

enlighten me.... as  thinking  is  dangerous to freedom..and your thinking killed 17 people..
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Reply #59 - Jan 15th, 2015 at 10:22am
 
sir Nail,
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The next thing is to stop pandering to religious institutions and stop them brainwashing children at such a young age with their god gobbing muck. No school should be funded if it is aligned with any religious institution. Religious institutions should be taxed on their takings and should not be given tax free charity status. If these people need material money to operate then they can pray to their imaginary gods for the money they need.

After 1000's of years of abuse it's time to stop the rot and religious indoctrination of the public !!



Hear hear Sir Nail,
And that includes Longy's church - the Hillsong - God wants you to be rich church.
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