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Rocketanski Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1335 Gender:	Re: Je Suis [insert holocaust denier] Reply #15 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 11:20am Gandalf's caught between a Jew and a Muslim place.
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Reply #16 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 12:30pm

freediver wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:42am:

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that fd is not FREEDOM OF SPEECH....

Cods, are you actively campaigning against freedom of speech? Do you actually think it means you can compel me to publish anything you want? You either have no clue what it is, or are looking for any mindless propaganda you can find to undermine it.

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we are chatting away on here...if we all denied history... what can anyone do about it?????

They have recently put Australians in jail because of this. That's what they can do.

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I agree about the French of course....i wonder what would happen if CHarlie now turns his sights to Denying the Holocaust?? in cartoon mode...

They do not just target Muslims. They have a go at everything.

this BLOODY THREAD IS ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST that is what I was referring too..

What do you agree with?

oh fd you are just like the others very selective.. go away...I cant be bothered with you... you now want to change what FREEDOM OF SPEECH actually means...

where am I CAMPAIGNING NOW AGAINST FREEDOM OF SPEECH>>

EXPLAIN TO ME WHY AN EXTREMIST CANNOT GET UPSET ABOUT A CARTOON..

YET YOU CAN GET UPSET ABOUT THE M WORD.. MORON...AND HAVE IT DELETED ON THIS FORUM...

WHY HAS ONE [PRESUMED]INSULT NOT THE SAME AS ANOTHER [PRESUMED] INSULT..

DIFFERENCE BEING OF COURSE YOU ARE IN CONTROL...DOESNT MAKE YOU RIGHT.

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Je Suis [insert holocaust denier] Reply #17 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 12:32pm Rocketanski wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 11:20am: Gandalf's caught between a Jew and a Muslim place. MORE LIKE FD CAUGHT BETWEEN A CARTOON AND THE m WORD MORON.. WHEN YOU TYPE M^RON YOU GET NICE PERSON COME UP...... BUT ITS OK TO INSULT ANGRY MUSLIMS. DONT UPSET FD WILL YOU.. MORON.
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Reply #18 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 12:33pm

cods wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 12:30pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:42am:

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that fd is not FREEDOM OF SPEECH....

Cods, are you actively campaigning against freedom of speech? Do you actually think it means you can compel me to publish anything you want? You either have no clue what it is, or are looking for any mindless propaganda you can find to undermine it.

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we are chatting away on here...if we all denied history... what can anyone do about it?????

They have recently put Australians in jail because of this. That's what they can do.

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I agree about the French of course....i wonder what would happen if CHarlie now turns his sights to Denying the Holocaust?? in cartoon mode...

They do not just target Muslims. They have a go at everything.

this BLOODY THREAD IS ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST that is what I was referring too..

What do you agree with?

oh fd you are just like the others very selective.. go away...I cant be bothered with you... you now want to change what FREEDOM OF SPEECH actually means...

where am I CAMPAIGNING NOW AGAINST FREEDOM OF SPEECH>>

EXPLAIN TO ME WHY AN EXTREMIST CANNOT GET UPSET ABOUT A CARTOON..

YET YOU CAN GET UPSET ABOUT THE M WORD.. nice person...AND HAVE IT DELETED ON THIS FORUM...

WHY HAS ONE [PRESUMED]INSULT NOT THE SAME AS ANOTHER [PRESUMED] INSULT..

DIFFERENCE BEING OF COURSE YOU ARE IN CONTROL...DOESNT MAKE YOU RIGHT.

Are you drinking metho mate?

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Reply #19 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 12:41pm

Cods how far would you go to appease terrorists?

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oh fd you are just like the others very selective

How so? You make lots of vague accusations, but they all come to nothing.

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go away

How about this? You stop posting stupid crap, and I stop pointing out how stupid your posts are.

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you now want to change what FREEDOM OF SPEECH actually means...

Give us your version of what it means Cods. Appeasing terrorists?

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EXPLAIN TO ME WHY AN EXTREMIST CANNOT GET UPSET ABOUT A CARTOON..

I just explained that they can. Do keep up Cods.

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YET YOU CAN GET UPSET ABOUT THE M WORD.. nice person...AND HAVE IT DELETED ON THIS FORUM...

Still whining about the swear word censor? Do you need me to explain it again?

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Reply #20 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 12:57pm

I assume "Cods" is no spring chicken, yet for somebody obviously over retirement age she sure is naive.

Support the criminal blacks in the US who would kill police officers as they protect society, and now support murdering terrorists because they feel aggrieved by a satirical magazine which publishes satirical cartoons, and slaughter people because they're pizzd off at what is published.

When are you going to wake up (your words Cods) Cods.

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Reply #21 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 1:09pm

freediver wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:29am:

Do you support censorship of holocaust denial Gandalf?

No, the idea is absurd and breathtakingly hypocritical from governments who rant and rave about freedom of speech - as we are seeing in France right now.

I have come around on the holocaust denial issue. I used to be somewhat circumspect given the very real link between anti-semitism and holocaust denial. However we are talking about an opinion on history. It is a thought crime - plain and simple. What we are talking about is an acadamic calmly presenting an intellectual argument that rejects or even questions the historical evidence of the holocaust - being punished by the state. It is outrageous.

freediver wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:29am:

Not entirely

I'd be really interested if you elaborated on that FD. On the surface this seems an extraordinary thing to say for someone like you to say this. You've previously said you support people having the right to do things like vilify muslims through racial caricatures and march down the street demanding people be beheaded for insulting islam - now you are saying its a bit more 'complicated' when it comes to holding an opinion on history??

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #22 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 1:14pm

cods wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:37am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 4:19am:

Hypocrisy within hypocrisy: not only are holocaust denial laws an attack on free speech, but in the law itself, one type of genocide denial is allowed while another is not.

no good asking FD about Freedom of speech.. he doesnt even allow that on this forum!!!

have you tried swearing.. or calling someone a nice person.... I used the M word...see what I mean?..

that fd is not FREEDOM OF SPEECH....

and as for Holocaust denial....how do you legislate against the way people think?....

we are chatting away on here...if we all denied history... what can anyone do about it?????....tell them to stop thinking.. OK>.

I agree about the French of course....i wonder what would happen if CHarlie now turns his sights to Denying the Holocaust?? in cartoon mode...
how do you think that would go down?????

You don't....the various countries ban on Holocaust denial is about publicly announcing it, either in print or spoken form, same as the laws against denigrating or defaming ANY group in the same way.

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Reply #23 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 1:16pm

Resolute wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:

I assume "Cods" is no spring chicken, yet for somebody obviously over retirement age she sure is naive.

Support the criminal blacks in the US who would kill police officers as they protect society, and now support murdering terrorists because they feel aggrieved by a satirical magazine which publishes satirical cartoons, and slaughter people because they're pizzd off at what is published.

When are you going to wake up (your words Cods) Cods.

why is cods obviously over retirement age?

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Reply #24 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 1:19pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 11:05am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 4:19am:

Hypocrisy within hypocrisy: not only are holocaust denial laws an attack on free speech, but in the law itself, one type of genocide denial is allowed while another is not.

Criticising a non - existent God is different to denying the murder
of 6 million Jews & 6 million other people for
which the evidence is over whelming.

There is no elephant in the room.

So just to be clear Bobby, limits to freedom of speech is contingent upon how overwhelming the evidence is on the particular topic in question?

Presumably you would support gaoling/fining people for claiming the earth is flat or that man-made global warming doesn't exist?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #25 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 1:22pm

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I have come around on the holocaust denial issue.

Good for you.

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I'd be really interested if you elaborated on that FD. On the surface this seems an extraordinary thing to say for someone like you to say this. You've previously said you support people having the right to do things like vilify muslims through racial caricatures and march down the street demanding people be beheaded for insulting islam - now you are saying its a bit more 'complicated' when it comes to holding an opinion on history??

People can be motivated by racism to mock Muhammed or deny the holcaust. It can be an expression of their racism. It should be a legally protected expression. The expression is not in itself racist.

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Reply #26 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 1:24pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 1:09pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:29am:

Do you support censorship of holocaust denial Gandalf?

No, the idea is absurd and breathtakingly hypocritical from governments who rant and rave about freedom of speech - as we are seeing in France right now.

I have come around on the holocaust denial issue. I used to be somewhat circumspect given the very real link between anti-semitism and holocaust denial. However we are talking about an opinion on history. It is a thought crime - plain and simple. What we are talking about is an acadamic calmly presenting an intellectual argument that rejects or even questions the historical evidence of the holocaust - being punished by the state. It is outrageous.

freediver wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:29am:

Not entirely

I'd be really interested if you elaborated on that FD. On the surface this seems an extraordinary thing to say for someone like you to say this. You've previously said you support people having the right to do things like vilify muslims through racial caricatures and march down the street demanding people be beheaded for insulting islam - now you are saying its a bit more 'complicated' when it comes to holding an opinion on history??

'Free-trade' for instance: words allowed to combine that we all know mean nothing! Not even so called right wing economists acknowledge a hint of truth in the wording of the idea!

FIRE in a crowded room,... surely common sense is required at some point...

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48862 At my desk.	Re: Je Suis [insert holocaust denier] Reply #27 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 1:27pm Free trade means something to me. Just because you do not understand it does not mean everyone else is clueless.
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Reply #28 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 1:28pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:35am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 4:30am:

freediver wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 9:18am:

Gandalf do you support the Australian laws that outlaw holocaust denial?

The idea that rejecting the historical evidence of a particular event in history amounts to racial discrimination is absurd - don't you think?

Are you in the holocaust denier camp Gandalf or do you think it happened?

Of course it happened Baron - I am a student of history, I have studied the evidence and know that it happened. People who deny this are ignorant or anti-semitic or both. But thats not the point. Our own Attorney General proclaimed that 'people have the right to be bigots' - in almost the same breath that he proudly reassured the Australian public that holocaust denial would remain unlawful under the Racial Discrimination Act. The hypocricy should take any sane person's breath away - even yours Baron.

I understand the intrinsic link between holocaust denial and virulent anti-semitism - but this is not the solution. The best ammunition we can give to anti-semites in our society is to give them a martyr complex - and gaoling and/or otherwise punishing them for a thought-crime is the perfect way to do it.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Je Suis [insert holocaust denier] Reply #29 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 1:30pm freediver wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 1:27pm: Free trade means something to me. Just because you do not understand it does not mean everyone else is clueless . *You're talking about the concept: i'm talking about the words* Clueless ,... lol
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