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Reply #75 - Jan 17^th, 2015 at 5:37pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 5:31pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 5:28pm:

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whos truth??/ you claim the cartoon s were not offensive .

Earth to cods - we are talking about holocaust denial here. The truth comes about through analysis of the evidence, not from the government telling people what the answer is.

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as for principles....like its ok to abuse an extremist but no one can call fd a M0ron...

Earth to cods - you are free to do this, just not to compel me to publish your tripe. If there is anything I can do to help you understand this simple point, please let me know.

No, we are talking about people's differing versions of 'truth.' You have concluded cod's version is 'tripe,' so you seek to do what with it, freediver?

I seek to make everyone aware of how hollow and self-defeating it is.

That is why cods is afraid to explain how far she would go to appease terrorists, and how she thinks they would respond to her suggested strategy of appeasement.

My disagreement with cods is not about truth or fact. It is normative, not positive. We are not disputing any facts at all.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38565 Gender:	Re: Je Suis [insert holocaust denier] Reply #76 - Jan 17^th, 2015 at 5:46pm Quote: I seek to make everyone aware of how hollow and self-defeating it is. And you are doing that by raising some blazingly obvious point that cods cannot compel you to publish her version of truth? WTF is 'normative?' Some quaint word, or what?
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Reply #77 - Jan 17^th, 2015 at 5:56pm

I am trying to point out that what cods thinks is hypocrisy is a consistent set of standards. Executing a dozen people over a cartoon, and putting a swear word filter on the forum, is not in fact the same thing, as cods has suggested.

Cods and I do not disagree on the facts of any issue. We disagree on what *should* be done. That is a normative, as opposed to a positive issue. Cods wants to appease terrorists. I want to support freedom of speech. Of course, the consequences of these actions is an objective question, but so far cods will not be drawn into a discussion on the likely consequences of following her strategy of spineless appeasement. If there is one thing the terrorists respect and fear, it is people who bend over for them.

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Reply #78 - Jan 17^th, 2015 at 5:58pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 5:46pm:

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I seek to make everyone aware of how hollow and self-defeating it is.

And you are doing that by raising some blazingly obvious point that cods cannot compel you to publish her version of truth?

WTF is 'normative?' Some quaint word, or what?

normative.. means it FD .. Fred Dick's version of FREE DUMB OF SPEECH..... he says nothing about the hypocrisy of his own forums RULES....we cant say the F. word or the M.word or the S. word..

but we can print insulting cartoons..tell fred he is wasting his time talking to cods.. shes given up...this is like talking to gweg... nay its worse.

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Je Suis [insert holocaust denier] Reply #79 - Jan 17^th, 2015 at 6:00pm see what I mean... he is now defining what FEEDOM OF SPEECH means...... to suit himself... wot if my version of FREEDOM OF SPEECH is different to yours..yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Reply #80 - Jan 17^th, 2015 at 6:03pm

freediver wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 5:56pm:

I am trying to point out that what cods thinks is hypocrisy is a consistent set of standards. Executing a dozen people over a cartoon, and putting a swear word filter on the forum, is not in fact the same thing, as cods has suggested.

Cods and I do not disagree on the facts of any issue. We disagree on what *should* be done. That is a normative, as opposed to a positive issue. Cods wants to appease terrorists. I want to support freedom of speech. Of course, the consequences of these actions is an objective question, but so far cods will not be drawn into a discussion on the likely consequences of following her strategy of spineless appeasement. If there is one thing the terrorists respect and fear, it is people who bend over for them.

Why would anyone bother with you. You have already made it very clear in the OP to a new Thread that it would be 'stupid' of anyone to take any notice.

In a microscopic way, cods has nailed you. There is either freedom of speech or there is not. You want Charlie Hebdo to have what you regard as freedom of speech, but you want to deny cods what she regards as her freedom of speech. You have a very effective means of controlling cods and to directly impact on what she claims as her freedom.....because you have the censor buttons.

Can you not see how amazingly hypocritical that is?

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Reply #81 - Jan 17^th, 2015 at 6:25pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 6:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 5:56pm:

I am trying to point out that what cods thinks is hypocrisy is a consistent set of standards. Executing a dozen people over a cartoon, and putting a swear word filter on the forum, is not in fact the same thing, as cods has suggested.

Cods and I do not disagree on the facts of any issue. We disagree on what *should* be done. That is a normative, as opposed to a positive issue. Cods wants to appease terrorists. I want to support freedom of speech. Of course, the consequences of these actions is an objective question, but so far cods will not be drawn into a discussion on the likely consequences of following her strategy of spineless appeasement. If there is one thing the terrorists respect and fear, it is people who bend over for them.

Why would anyone bother with you. You have already made it very clear in the OP to a new Thread that it would be 'stupid' of anyone to take any notice.

In a microscopic way, cods has nailed you. There is either freedom of speech or there is not. You want Charlie Hebdo to have what you regard as freedom of speech, but you want to deny cods what she regards as her freedom of speech. You have a very effective means of controlling cods and to directly impact on what she claims as her freedom.....because you have the censor buttons.

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Can you not see how amazingly hypocritical that is?

I have called him out about 4 times.. thanks aussie..

he is very good at twisting everything back to who ever he disagrees with...

and now language and cartoons.. even though language was involved are not the same thing when it comes to FREEDOM OF SPEECH

according to fd..

so when we fight the extremists when they get here..

it will be with fd s rules only ...LOLOLOLOL>.

I am sure the extremists will be amused..and will definitely play fair.

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Reply #82 - Jan 17^th, 2015 at 6:54pm

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tell fred he is wasting his time talking to cods.. shes given up

Cods spits the dummy yet again. Now watch her come back in five minutes and post the same idiocy.

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wot if my version of FREEDOM OF SPEECH is different to yours..yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I have asked you, several times, to provide your own version, because you do seem to have a different meaning cods. You choose to wunaway.

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In a microscopic way, cods has nailed you. There is either freedom of speech or there is not. You want Charlie Hebdo to have what you regard as freedom of speech, but you want to deny cods what she regards as her freedom of speech.

How could I, if cods cannot even say what her version is? Do you know what it is? I don;t think even cods does.

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You have a very effective means of controlling cods and to directly impact on what she claims as her freedom.....because you have the censor buttons.

I can only control cods to the extent she chooses to let me. No-one is forcing her to use this forum.

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Reply #84 - Jan 17^th, 2015 at 7:37pm

Oh, welcome back freediver. We've missed you.

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I can only control cods to the extent she chooses to let me. No-one is forcing her to use this forum.

You 'can only control'.....................meaning you can absolutely control what any one says here, and if they don't like your version of freedom of speech.....there's the door.

Like I said, you are the epitome of hypocrisy on the issue.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48862 At my desk.	Re: Je Suis [insert holocaust denier] Reply #85 - Jan 17^th, 2015 at 7:44pm Quote: You 'can only control'.....................meaning you can absolutely control what any one says here, and if they don't like your version of freedom of speech.....there's the door. Is this your 'alternative' version of freedom Aussie? Or some intolerable burden?
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Reply #86 - Jan 17^th, 2015 at 8:10pm

freediver wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 7:44pm:

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You 'can only control'.....................meaning you can absolutely control what any one says here, and if they don't like your version of freedom of speech.....there's the door.

Is this your 'alternative' version of freedom Aussie? Or some intolerable burden?

Oh....welcome back, freediver! We've missed you.

I have not mentioned either concept. What I have said is that while you crow about the right of Charlie Hebdo to say what they please, (cause they can in their own rag) and at the same time you deny people here the right to say what they please (cause you can in your website.) If they don't like the way you limit and censor their freedom of speech.....there is the door!

The amazing part is that you are totally blind to how neither attitude represents freedom of speech. It is the epitome of hypocrisy.

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Reply #88 - Jan 17^th, 2015 at 9:45pm

Aussie wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 8:10pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 7:44pm:

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You 'can only control'.....................meaning you can absolutely control what any one says here, and if they don't like your version of freedom of speech.....there's the door.

Is this your 'alternative' version of freedom Aussie? Or some intolerable burden?

Oh....welcome back, freediver! We've missed you.

I have not mentioned either concept. What I have said is that while you crow about the right of Charlie Hebdo to say what they please, (cause they can in their own rag) and at the same time you deny people here the right to say what they please (cause you can in your website.) If they don't like the way you limit and censor their freedom of speech.....there is the door!

The amazing part is that you are totally blind to how neither attitude represents freedom of speech. It is the epitome of hypocrisy.

No Aussie, that is freedom. We can both say what we want, and neither can compel anything of the other. What is your problem with it?

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Reply #89 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 6:31pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 3:28pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 1:55pm:

I would not censor sprint's posts

How does Sprint's comments to (for example) indiscriminately raze mosques to the ground stand up against Australian hate laws? I'm genuinely curious. I frequent another forum - based in the UK - who censors any holocaust denial because it violates several European laws.

So wand elf, is this persons rants ok with your principals of "hate laws"? I am also VERY genuinely curious.

"Sheikh Sharif Hussein following ‘kill all Hindus and Buddhists’ "

If you, and your mozzie friends don't agree with this violent import, why don't you tell "our" Government to get rid of the piece of human excreta?

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/08/24/australian-police-investigate-ad...

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