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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Fines for employing children... Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:45pm http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/jurien-bay-iga-supermarket-fin... Um, hello....
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137833 Gender:	Re: Fines for employing children... Reply #1 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:58pm I wonder if they paid her.
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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Fines for employing children... Reply #2 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:01pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:58pm: I wonder if they paid her. They would have had to, for her to be classified as 'employed'.
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Fines for employing children... Reply #3 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:01pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:58pm: I wonder if they paid her. sticky question...
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137833 Gender:	Re: Fines for employing children... Reply #4 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:03pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:58pm: I wonder if they paid her. They would have had to, for her to be classified as 'employed'. Penalty rates? Pay slip? TFN declaration?
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BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: Fines for employing children... Reply #5 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:04pm gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:58pm: I wonder if they paid her. They would have had to, for her to be classified as 'employed'. How could she be classified if there is no box to tick for the bubblehead charged with her duty and care?
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Re: Fines for employing children...
Reply #6 - Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:05pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:03pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:58pm:

I wonder if they paid her.

They would have had to, for her to be classified as 'employed'.

Penalty rates?

There was a mild penalty to give everyone the impression: "meh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

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Reply #7 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 9:49am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:03pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:58pm:

I wonder if they paid her.

They would have had to, for her to be classified as 'employed'.

Penalty rates?
Pay slip?
TFN declaration?

Probably none of those....however, if she wasn't being at least paid in cash, then she's just a kid hanging around at mom's work and packing shelves or what ever for fun.

Basically the same as school work experience (remember that??).

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137833 Gender:	Re: Fines for employing children... Reply #8 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:00am gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:58pm: I wonder if they paid her. They would have had to, for her to be classified as 'employed'. No, that's not correct. Under the law, they are considered 'employed' even if they don't receive payment.
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Reply #9 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:22am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 9:49am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:03pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:58pm:

I wonder if they paid her.

They would have had to, for her to be classified as 'employed'.

Penalty rates?
Pay slip?
TFN declaration?

Probably none of those....however, if she wasn't being at least paid in cash, then she's just a kid hanging around at mom's work and packing shelves or what ever for fun.

Basically the same as school work experience (remember that??).

11 year old kids doing work experience? Nah.

Anyway:

"When is a child considered to be employed?
If a child is engaged to carry out work, whether or
not the child receives payment, or any other kind
of reward, the child is considered to be employed."

https://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/sites/default/files/atoms/files/fact_sheet_-_empl...

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Reply #10 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:44am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:22am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 9:49am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:03pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:58pm:

I wonder if they paid her.

They would have had to, for her to be classified as 'employed'.

Penalty rates?
Pay slip?
TFN declaration?

Probably none of those....however, if she wasn't being at least paid in cash, then she's just a kid hanging around at mom's work and packing shelves or what ever for fun.

Basically the same as school work experience (remember that??).

11 year old kids doing work experience? Nah.

Anyway:

"When is a child considered to be employed?
If a child is engaged to carry out work, whether or
not the child receives payment, or any other kind
of reward, the child is considered to be employed."

https://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/sites/default/files/atoms/files/fact_sheet_-_empl...

Ok, that's odd. How do they deal with kids helping at the family shop, or (e.g) Dad's lawn mowing business then??

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
Bobbythebat

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Re: Fines for employing children...
Reply #11 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:48am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:44am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:22am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 9:49am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:03pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:58pm:

I wonder if they paid her.

They would have had to, for her to be classified as 'employed'.

Penalty rates?
Pay slip?
TFN declaration?

Probably none of those....however, if she wasn't being at least paid in cash, then she's just a kid hanging around at mom's work and packing shelves or what ever for fun.

Basically the same as school work experience (remember that??).

11 year old kids doing work experience? Nah.

Anyway:

"When is a child considered to be employed?
If a child is engaged to carry out work, whether or
not the child receives payment, or any other kind
of reward, the child is considered to be employed."

https://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/sites/default/files/atoms/files/fact_sheet_-_empl...

Ok, that's odd. How do they deal with kids helping at the family shop, or (e.g) Dad's lawn mowing business then??

"Children of any age may work:

• in a family business where the business is
carried out by a parent or relative of the child"

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Reply #12 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:57am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:00am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:58pm:

I wonder if they paid her.

They would have had to, for her to be classified as 'employed'.

No, that's not correct.

Under the law, they are considered 'employed' even if they don't receive payment.

You're joking?

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Reply #13 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:58am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:48am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:44am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:22am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 9:49am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:03pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:58pm:

I wonder if they paid her.

They would have had to, for her to be classified as 'employed'.

Penalty rates?
Pay slip?
TFN declaration?

Probably none of those....however, if she wasn't being at least paid in cash, then she's just a kid hanging around at mom's work and packing shelves or what ever for fun.

Basically the same as school work experience (remember that??).

11 year old kids doing work experience? Nah.

Anyway:

"When is a child considered to be employed?
If a child is engaged to carry out work, whether or
not the child receives payment, or any other kind
of reward, the child is considered to be employed."

https://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/sites/default/files/atoms/files/fact_sheet_-_empl...

Ok, that's odd. How do they deal with kids helping at the family shop, or (e.g) Dad's lawn mowing business then??

"Children of any age may work:

• in a family business where the business is
carried out by a parent or relative of the child"

Under current law it is illegal for businesses in the retail industry to employ children under 13.

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Reply #14 - Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:59am

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 16^th, 2015 at 10:00am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 1:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15^th, 2015 at 12:58pm:

I wonder if they paid her.

They would have had to, for her to be classified as 'employed'.

No, that's not correct.

Under the law, they are considered 'employed' even if they don't receive payment.

You're joking?

I never joke.

"When is a child considered to be employed?
If a child is engaged to carry out work, whether or
not the child receives payment, or any other kind
of reward, the child is considered to be employed."

https://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/sites/default/files/atoms/files/fact_sheet_-_empl...

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