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Re: cheese eating surrender monkeys
Reply #165 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 12:27pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 12:16pm:
Well said aqua!

These lessons are VITAL when training a woman to be a good wife.

When they start whinging for more shopping money (retail therapy extravagance) ~ say "No" once, and then don't repeat that no matter how long she goes on whinging, pouting and stamping her foot.







Umm having a wife is not like having a border collie.
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Reply #166 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 12:45pm
 
Why not just drag the child off or send them to bed? Playing a battle of wills is letting them dictate the terms and could be a reward in itself.
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Reply #167 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 12:45pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 12:16pm:
Well said aqua!

These lessons are VITAL when training a woman to be a good wife.

When they start whinging for more shopping money (retail therapy extravagance) ~ say "No" once, and then don't repeat that no matter how long she goes on whinging, pouting and stamping her foot.





herb , unfortunatelty nearly all mobs of horses are ruled by the lead "mare"  . usually an old scruffy mare who bosses everyone around, moves the mob on, bosses the stallions around.

Cheesy Cheesy

its interesting to watch the lead mare when a new mum is having trouble with a fiesty young foal.(maybe bitting her teats or kicking her to get a feed of milk)

the lead mare will literally drive the foal off away from the herd. if it tries to come back she will drive it off again. Its the equivalent of standing in the "naughty corner" but much worse , as isolation from the herd is death to a prey animal.

when the foal finally "lowers its head, averts its gaze and walks meekly back " it is allowed to re enter the herd.

I'd love to train humans in the tried and tested ways of horse.
i dont think its any co incedence that many damaged and abused people find solace with dogs and horses
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Re: cheese eating surrender monkeys
Reply #168 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 12:54pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 12:57pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 25th, 2015 at 11:15am:
freediver wrote on Jan 25th, 2015 at 10:16am:
OK, so only the peaceful violent rampages should be legal. I think we have some common ground.


It's a philosophy I learnt from mums with their hysterical brats in supermarkets.

With utter calm these mums simply wait-out the violent tantrums chucked by their ankle-biters when they're denied a chocolate bar or a packet of sherbet with a straw, etc. They simply wait patiently for the storm to use up all its energy.

freediver wrote on Jan 25th, 2015 at 10:16am:
Oh, you meant the police. They should know better than to get in the way of Muslims.


Every cowboy knows you ride flank with the stampeding herd until they've calmed down and are more amenable to being gently corralled and pacified.

It's better to Run with the Bulls a la Pomplona than put up obstacles to thwart their passage to wherever they're going.

Canute knew the same thing about the tide.

The police should have 'rode herd' on this Muslim protest group, gently prodding them here and there to remain away from the shop windows.

But they CONFRONTED them ~ stupidly and ignorantly .. and of course the inevitable happened.

Dogs, capsicum, kicks and punches, batons, screams of "Allahu Akbar!" and small children being photographed holding up placards saying behead all those who insult the prophet (pbuh).

The police showed themselves to be totally ignorant of the psychology of the mob. A mob is more than the sum total of its component parts. It is an entity all of its own.

Don't get me started.

freediver wrote on Jan 25th, 2015 at 10:16am:
Being crazy, we should let them do whatever they want.


Now you're being petulant. Nobody has suggested any such thing.









worst possible way to deal with a tantrum.  All you have done is validate the use of a tantrum whereas a good solid smack or three will both end the tantrum and remind them not to do so in the future.  parenting 101.


That is good advice, provided you don't do it in public.  "Child abuse", i.e. smacking a naughty child on the bottom, in public, can and will get you a day in Court.  CCTV is everywhere if someone reports you to the Cops.  I have heard of it happening here in Canberra.  This is why Mums with small children who throw a tanty in the supermarket tend to grit their teeth and ignore it .... until the get home!
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Reply #169 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 1:08pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 12:45pm:
when the foal finally "lowers its head, averts its gaze and walks meekly back " it is allowed to re enter the herd.


This has happened a lot over the years in my bedroom.




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Reply #170 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 1:09pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 1:08pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 12:45pm:
when the foal finally "lowers its head, averts its gaze and walks meekly back " it is allowed to re enter the herd.


This has happened a lot over the years in my bedroom.


Dreaming doesn't count   Wink
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Reply #171 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 1:12pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 12:45pm:
Why not just drag the child off or send them to bed? Playing a battle of wills is letting them dictate the terms and could be a reward in itself.


As a child of maybe 8 or so, I refused to eat my vegies, especially the green ones. I'd eat the meat and potatoes but leave the rest and so I didn't get dessert.  My Mother used to put the vegies in a dish, pop that into the fridge and serve them to me, cold, for breakfast.  Naturally, I refused to eat them then, as well.  However, I knew for sure that Mother would not send me off to school without a packed lunch ... so I ate that on the way to school as I wasn't stupid enough to starve myself.  Eventually, Mother gave up this habit of trying to teach me to eat my vegies and stopped putting the greens on my plate. It wasn't until many years later that I would learn to love vegies, greens especially but I still cannot stand pumpkin or cauliflower! I've never been one for dessert either. It's funny the things you remember about being a kid.  Grin
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Re: cheese eating surrender monkeys
Reply #172 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 1:18pm
 
Neferti wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 12:54pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 26th, 2015 at 12:57pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 25th, 2015 at 11:15am:
freediver wrote on Jan 25th, 2015 at 10:16am:
OK, so only the peaceful violent rampages should be legal. I think we have some common ground.


It's a philosophy I learnt from mums with their hysterical brats in supermarkets.

With utter calm these mums simply wait-out the violent tantrums chucked by their ankle-biters when they're denied a chocolate bar or a packet of sherbet with a straw, etc. They simply wait patiently for the storm to use up all its energy.

freediver wrote on Jan 25th, 2015 at 10:16am:
Oh, you meant the police. They should know better than to get in the way of Muslims.


Every cowboy knows you ride flank with the stampeding herd until they've calmed down and are more amenable to being gently corralled and pacified.

It's better to Run with the Bulls a la Pomplona than put up obstacles to thwart their passage to wherever they're going.

Canute knew the same thing about the tide.

The police should have 'rode herd' on this Muslim protest group, gently prodding them here and there to remain away from the shop windows.

But they CONFRONTED them ~ stupidly and ignorantly .. and of course the inevitable happened.

Dogs, capsicum, kicks and punches, batons, screams of "Allahu Akbar!" and small children being photographed holding up placards saying behead all those who insult the prophet (pbuh).

The police showed themselves to be totally ignorant of the psychology of the mob. A mob is more than the sum total of its component parts. It is an entity all of its own.

Don't get me started.

freediver wrote on Jan 25th, 2015 at 10:16am:
Being crazy, we should let them do whatever they want.


Now you're being petulant. Nobody has suggested any such thing.









worst possible way to deal with a tantrum.  All you have done is validate the use of a tantrum whereas a good solid smack or three will both end the tantrum and remind them not to do so in the future.  parenting 101.


That is good advice, provided you don't do it in public.  "Child abuse", i.e. smacking a naughty child on the bottom, in public, can and will get you a day in Court.  CCTV is everywhere if someone reports you to the Cops.  I have heard of it happening here in Canberra.  This is why Mums with small children who throw a tanty in the supermarket tend to grit their teeth and ignore it .... until the get home!


And the child quickly learns that they can get away with anything and so the behaviour escalates when out shopping- when is why I used to leave her with my friend whenever I wanted a peaceful hour grocery shop and a coffee.  I had one or two award winning performances from my then 2 year old daughter.
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Reply #173 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 1:28pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 12:45pm:
Why not just drag the child off or send them to bed? Playing a battle of wills is letting them dictate the terms and could be a reward in itself.


Nope,  and the good thing is if you ALWAYS follow through and outlast the child, the behaviour , instead of escalating in the hope of the parent "giving in" actually does the reverse.  Each tantrum will last a shorter and shorter time as the child "basicly gives up because it knows it cant win"

When you first catch a badly trained horse in a big paddock, you might have to follow it around for 2 or 3 hours.  just keep walking, no emotion, dont let it settle and eat,  eventually it stops and you walk up AND YOUVE GOT IT.(it stops because its lazy and wants to eat)

next time , you do it might take 30 minutes.
next time 5 minutes.
next time, he'll probably walk over to you.

Now the next 20,000 times are a piece of cake.

Contrast that to the stupid "suck up to them method" where you wave a carrot around.
you'll have to go through 20,000 carrots, the horse wont think youre giving it a carrot as an act of love, he'll think he's taking the carrot as an act of dominance.

parents, teachers....just plain dumb, letting kids get the upper hand. they let them get the upper hand, becuase the parent or teacher is tired and lacks the will.   NEVER EVER EVER let an underling have a win over you. Zero tolerance. period  Wink
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Reply #174 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 2:41pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 11:48am:
the absolute worst thing you can do with a bucking horse is hop off.
totally ruin the horse.
NEVER REWARD BAD BEHAVIOUR.

If I had a kid with me screaming for a chocolate in woolworths , I most certainly WOULD completely ignore the behaviour.




HILARIOUS....YOU WOULD ACTUALLY STAY ON A BUCKING HORSE FOR 8 HOURS.....HAHAHAHA

AS FOR PUTTING UP WITH IT.....YEAH RIGHT...

m,eans you have never had the pleasure...... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

dream on sunshine comparing horse behavior with humans...

hilarious...

I bet you have your horse fenced in as well??.

wonder why?..

you see we cannot keep humans fenced in... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #175 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 2:42pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 1:08pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 12:45pm:
when the foal finally "lowers its head, averts its gaze and walks meekly back " it is allowed to re enter the herd.


This has happened a lot over the years in my bedroom.








well next time she puts on the tanny in the shops....you ignore her....tell her she wont run in next weeks Derby if she keeps that up..
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Reply #176 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 6:57pm
 
Black Orchid wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 1:09pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 1:08pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 12:45pm:
when the foal finally "lowers its head, averts its gaze and walks meekly back " it is allowed to re enter the herd.


This has happened a lot over the years in my bedroom.


Dreaming doesn't count   Wink


Grin Grin

That's all I've got nowadays! haha.

(That's a joke. I don't mean that of course)
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Reply #177 - Jan 27th, 2015 at 7:02pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 6:57pm:
Black Orchid wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 1:09pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 1:08pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 27th, 2015 at 12:45pm:
when the foal finally "lowers its head, averts its gaze and walks meekly back " it is allowed to re enter the herd.


This has happened a lot over the years in my bedroom.


Dreaming doesn't count   Wink


Grin Grin

That's all I've got nowadays!



Pleasant dreams, Aunt Herbie.


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