Australian Politics Forum - cheese eating surrender monkeys

cods

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 88048

Re: cheese eating surrender monkeys
Reply #60 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:52am

Soren wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:42am:

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:29am:

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:16am:

How far does the defence of provocation for murder extend? How badly do you have to be offended before it's o.k to chop someone's head off or blow up a school bus?

that you see is not the argument.....someone on here ev en brought in WW11 as an example.. of something or other....you are deflecting....no ones head was chopped off in Paris.. no school bus was blown up...

if you are mad enough to ignore madmen when they make it quite clear they will kill you if you keep PROV OKING....

then that is really up to you...

would you have done what Charlie did... had you been the owner of that magazine.........????????

would you have provoked them even more.......

and btw fanatics dont need much provoking...

Round them all up, and their families and friends and deport them, never to be allowed in again.

hey that will include a few on here....dont tell freedumb you said that,,

we would miss all the fun.

Back to top

IP Logged

cods

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 88048

Re: cheese eating surrender monkeys
Reply #61 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:54am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:49am:

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:16am:

How far does the defence of provocation for murder extend? How badly do you have to be offended before it's o.k to chop someone's head off or blow up a school bus?

It's never ever ok to chop heads off, ever.

However, if you feel the need to provoke some madman to the extent they want to chop your head off, go for it.

Is the provocation necessary in the name of free speech. I think not, however we should all be entitled to provoke certain groups if we feel like doing so, but we should always be prepared to take the consequences because by now we know what they will likely be.

well said pansi..... we have to take our share of the responsibility for the consequences....

if a man belts a women up and then blames the alcohol HE DRANK....I shake my head.....but so many males think like that..

they have a magic button somewhere that says they did nothing wrong it was someone or something else..

Back to top

IP Logged

aquascoot

Gold Member

Online

Australian Politics

Posts: 34756
Gender: male

Re: cheese eating surrender monkeys
Reply #62 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 11:55am

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:54am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:49am:

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:16am:

How far does the defence of provocation for murder extend? How badly do you have to be offended before it's o.k to chop someone's head off or blow up a school bus?

It's never ever ok to chop heads off, ever.

However, if you feel the need to provoke some madman to the extent they want to chop your head off, go for it.

Is the provocation necessary in the name of free speech. I think not, however we should all be entitled to provoke certain groups if we feel like doing so, but we should always be prepared to take the consequences because by now we know what they will likely be.

well said pansi..... we have to take our share of the responsibility for the consequences....

if a man belts a women up and then blames the alcohol HE DRANK....I shake my head.....but so many males think like that..

they have a magic button somewhere that says they did nothing wrong it was someone or something else..

cods, you and pansi are just being illogical. you are saying that if provocation causes someone to lose their temper, then the provoker must share some of the blame.
this is a NONSENSE
the fact you then try to support your arguement using the case of domestic violence proves the lack of logic.
in what circumstances in australia would the police turn up to a scene of a bashed woman and try to sheet home some of the blame to the woman for provoking her partner. it would never happen. it is ILLOGICAL.
the person who loses their temper wears 100 % of the blame and rightly so.
we run "anger management classes " in australia.
we do not run "provocation management classes"
the person who becomes angry IS THE CULPRIT. full stop.
you cannot blame your anger on anyone. it is YOUR emotion.
this is grade 1 social training.
i find your and pansis position just straight out perplexing Huh

Back to top

IP Logged

Quantum

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 3373

Re: cheese eating surrender monkeys
Reply #63 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 12:20pm

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:54am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:49am:

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:16am:

How far does the defence of provocation for murder extend? How badly do you have to be offended before it's o.k to chop someone's head off or blow up a school bus?

It's never ever ok to chop heads off, ever.

However, if you feel the need to provoke some madman to the extent they want to chop your head off, go for it.

Is the provocation necessary in the name of free speech. I think not, however we should all be entitled to provoke certain groups if we feel like doing so, but we should always be prepared to take the consequences because by now we know what they will likely be.

well said pansi..... we have to take our share of the responsibility for the consequences....

if a man belts a women up and then blames the alcohol HE DRANK....I shake my head.....but so many males think like that..

they have a magic button somewhere that says they did nothing wrong it was someone or something else..

If she was nagging, and nagging, and whining, and he turned around and bitched slapped her, you have to admit, it is her fault.

I mean, she new he could be violent and she kept nagging at him anyway? What did she expect? If you kick a beehive you are going to get stung, you know...

Back to top

IP Logged

Phemanderac

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 3507
Gender: male

Re: cheese eating surrender monkeys
Reply #64 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 12:31pm

Quantum wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 12:20pm:

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:54am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:49am:

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:16am:

How far does the defence of provocation for murder extend? How badly do you have to be offended before it's o.k to chop someone's head off or blow up a school bus?

It's never ever ok to chop heads off, ever.

However, if you feel the need to provoke some madman to the extent they want to chop your head off, go for it.

Is the provocation necessary in the name of free speech. I think not, however we should all be entitled to provoke certain groups if we feel like doing so, but we should always be prepared to take the consequences because by now we know what they will likely be.

well said pansi..... we have to take our share of the responsibility for the consequences....

if a man belts a women up and then blames the alcohol HE DRANK....I shake my head.....but so many males think like that..

they have a magic button somewhere that says they did nothing wrong it was someone or something else..

If she was nagging, and nagging, and whining, and he turned around and bitched slapped her, you have to admit, it is her fault.

I mean, she new he could be violent and she kept nagging at him anyway? What did she expect? If you kick a beehive you are going to get stung, you know...

Ironically though, those who use that as a defense (either for themselves or in defense of some other loser) usually have no ticker when they are confronted by a male...You know face to face, being abusive or perhaps "nagging" them...

If he actually "manned up" he would simply walk away. But go ahead keep defending cowardly lashing out with violence no worries.

Back to top

On the 26th of January you are all invited to celebrate little white penal day...

"They're not rules as such, more like guidelines" Pirates of the Caribbean..

IP Logged

Quantum

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 3373

Re: cheese eating surrender monkeys
Reply #65 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 12:39pm

Phemanderac wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 12:31pm:

Quantum wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 12:20pm:

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:54am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:49am:

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:16am:

How far does the defence of provocation for murder extend? How badly do you have to be offended before it's o.k to chop someone's head off or blow up a school bus?

It's never ever ok to chop heads off, ever.

However, if you feel the need to provoke some madman to the extent they want to chop your head off, go for it.

Is the provocation necessary in the name of free speech. I think not, however we should all be entitled to provoke certain groups if we feel like doing so, but we should always be prepared to take the consequences because by now we know what they will likely be.

well said pansi..... we have to take our share of the responsibility for the consequences....

if a man belts a women up and then blames the alcohol HE DRANK....I shake my head.....but so many males think like that..

they have a magic button somewhere that says they did nothing wrong it was someone or something else..

If she was nagging, and nagging, and whining, and he turned around and bitched slapped her, you have to admit, it is her fault.

I mean, she new he could be violent and she kept nagging at him anyway? What did she expect? If you kick a beehive you are going to get stung, you know...

Ironically though, those who use that as a defense (either for themselves or in defense of some other loser) usually have no ticker when they are confronted by a male...You know face to face, being abusive or perhaps "nagging" them...

If he actually "manned up" he would simply walk away. But go ahead keep defending cowardly lashing out with violence no worries.

You missed the point. I'm not defending him. Cods is! ... But she doesn't realise it.

I'm using the exact same argument she has been using in regards to Paris, even including the "beehive" analogy. If she is to be consistent she would have to say the women got what she asked for. She provoked the "beehive" and got stung, just like charlie did...

Back to top

IP Logged

aquascoot

Gold Member

Online

Australian Politics

Posts: 34756
Gender: male

Re: cheese eating surrender monkeys
Reply #66 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 12:48pm

Quantum wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 12:39pm:

Phemanderac wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 12:31pm:

Quantum wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 12:20pm:

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:54am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:49am:

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:16am:

How far does the defence of provocation for murder extend? How badly do you have to be offended before it's o.k to chop someone's head off or blow up a school bus?

It's never ever ok to chop heads off, ever.

However, if you feel the need to provoke some madman to the extent they want to chop your head off, go for it.

Is the provocation necessary in the name of free speech. I think not, however we should all be entitled to provoke certain groups if we feel like doing so, but we should always be prepared to take the consequences because by now we know what they will likely be.

well said pansi..... we have to take our share of the responsibility for the consequences....

if a man belts a women up and then blames the alcohol HE DRANK....I shake my head.....but so many males think like that..

they have a magic button somewhere that says they did nothing wrong it was someone or something else..

If she was nagging, and nagging, and whining, and he turned around and bitched slapped her, you have to admit, it is her fault.

I mean, she new he could be violent and she kept nagging at him anyway? What did she expect? If you kick a beehive you are going to get stung, you know...

Ironically though, those who use that as a defense (either for themselves or in defense of some other loser) usually have no ticker when they are confronted by a male...You know face to face, being abusive or perhaps "nagging" them...

If he actually "manned up" he would simply walk away. But go ahead keep defending cowardly lashing out with violence no worries.

You missed the point. I'm not defending him. Cods is! ... But she doesn't realise it.

I'm using the exact same argument she has been using in regards to Paris, even including the "beehive" analogy. If she is to be consistent she would have to say the women got what she asked for. She provoked the "beehive" and got stung, just like charlie did...

exactly quantum. cods and pansi have a wiring problem in their brain. they need to see a neurologist

Back to top

IP Logged

Aussie

Gold Member

Offline

OzPolitic

Posts: 38761
Gender: male

Re: cheese eating surrender monkeys
Reply #67 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 1:09pm

Me to freediver:

Quote:

I reckon it is well past time you defined freedom of speech, and where you reckon the limits are.

freediver's response to that:

Quote:

How about you go first and tell us what rights you would give up to appease terrorists?

freediver, it is by way of my reaction to your dismissiveness and outright insulting and intolerable arrogance that I choose to snipe into your Threads, because to do otherwise would be an act of appeasement I am not willing to take.

Back to top

IP Logged

Ex Dame Pansi

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 24168

Re: cheese eating surrender monkeys
Reply #68 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 1:27pm

Quantum wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 12:20pm:

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:54am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:49am:

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:16am:

How far does the defence of provocation for murder extend? How badly do you have to be offended before it's o.k to chop someone's head off or blow up a school bus?

It's never ever ok to chop heads off, ever.

However, if you feel the need to provoke some madman to the extent they want to chop your head off, go for it.

Is the provocation necessary in the name of free speech. I think not, however we should all be entitled to provoke certain groups if we feel like doing so, but we should always be prepared to take the consequences because by now we know what they will likely be.

well said pansi..... we have to take our share of the responsibility for the consequences....

if a man belts a women up and then blames the alcohol HE DRANK....I shake my head.....but so many males think like that..

they have a magic button somewhere that says they did nothing wrong it was someone or something else..

If she was nagging, and nagging, and whining, and he turned around and bitched slapped her, you have to admit, it is her fault.

I mean, she new he could be violent and she kept nagging at him anyway? What did she expect? If you kick a beehive you are going to get stung, you know...

Exactly, she didn't deserve it but she was playing Russian Roulette with a crazy dude. There was a woman murdered by her husband not long ago, her friends and sisters almost expected it, she was repeatedly warned but bravely continued to stay with him. If a woman is kept prisoner that's different but if she has the chance to do a runner and chooses to stay, well what can I say, it's too late when you're dead, but that's domestic violence, not quite the same as religious terrorism, although the reason for the final outcome can be the same.......pushing....pushing....pushing.

Back to top

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Hendrix
andrei said: Great isn't it? Seeing boatloads of what is nothing more than human garbage turn up.....

IP Logged

aquascoot

Gold Member

Online

Australian Politics

Posts: 34756
Gender: male

Re: cheese eating surrender monkeys
Reply #69 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 1:35pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 1:27pm:

Quantum wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 12:20pm:

cods wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:54am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:49am:

Rocketanski wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:16am:

How far does the defence of provocation for murder extend? How badly do you have to be offended before it's o.k to chop someone's head off or blow up a school bus?

It's never ever ok to chop heads off, ever.

However, if you feel the need to provoke some madman to the extent they want to chop your head off, go for it.

Is the provocation necessary in the name of free speech. I think not, however we should all be entitled to provoke certain groups if we feel like doing so, but we should always be prepared to take the consequences because by now we know what they will likely be.

well said pansi..... we have to take our share of the responsibility for the consequences....

if a man belts a women up and then blames the alcohol HE DRANK....I shake my head.....but so many males think like that..

they have a magic button somewhere that says they did nothing wrong it was someone or something else..

If she was nagging, and nagging, and whining, and he turned around and bitched slapped her, you have to admit, it is her fault.

I mean, she new he could be violent and she kept nagging at him anyway? What did she expect? If you kick a beehive you are going to get stung, you know...

Exactly, she didn't deserve it but she was playing Russian Roulette with a crazy dude. There was a woman murdered by her husband not long ago, her friends and sisters almost expected it, she was repeatedly warned but bravely continued to stay with him. If a woman is kept prisoner that's different but if she has the chance to do a runner and chooses to stay, well what can I say, it's too late when you're dead, but that's domestic violence, not quite the same as religious terrorism, although the reason for the final outcome can be the same.......pushing....pushing....pushing.

Are you STILL trying to say that the victim of domestic violence bears responsibility for the behaviour of a violent partner.
i cant actually believe i"m reading this in 2015 Australia and from a woman and from a lefty.
Its just NUTZ

Back to top

IP Logged

cods

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 88048

Re: cheese eating surrender monkeys
Reply #70 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 3:33pm

If she was nagging, and nagging, and whining, and he turned around and bitched slapped her, you have to admit, it is her fault.

I mean, she new he could be violent and she kept nagging at him anyway? What did she expect? If you kick a beehive you are going to get stung, you know...

Ironically though, those who use that as a defense (either for themselves or in defense of some other loser) usually have no ticker when they are confronted by a male...You know face to face, being abusive or perhaps "nagging" them...

If he actually "manned up" he would simply walk away. But go ahead keep defending cowardly lashing out with violence no worries.

quantum
You missed the point. I'm not defending him. Cods is! ... But she doesn't realise it.

I'm using the exact same argument she has been using in regards to Paris, even including the "beehive" analogy. If she is to be consistent she would have to say the women got what she asked for. She provoked the "beehive" and got stung, just like charlie did...

in your mind of course..

in mine IT IS THE LAW THAT SAYS

"""NO TO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE"""...

and I think you will find in countries with LAWS AGAINST THAT.. everyone is aware of the LAW.. even when they are drinking...

you see the argument I put up.. oh never mind it will escape you anyway...

in the case of the cartoon.. it had not a thing to do with the law

it was dealing with COMMON DECENCY....

stop insulting stop BULLYING...

why is that such a HARD thing to so????>..

Back to top

IP Logged

Grappler Truth Teller Feller

Gold Member

Online

Australian Politics

Posts: 84732
Proud pre-1850's NO Voter
Gender: male

Re: cheese eating surrender monkeys
Reply #71 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 3:36pm

FSS - how did this turn into a woman receiving her righteous reward for attacking a man? Smiley

FSS.....

Oddly enough - and not so oddly enough - a MAN nagging and nagging and nagging is considered 'domestic violence'.... just saying..... good for goose.. good for gander.....

I'll take another gander at the two blondies in the pool here..... but I won't goose one....man - just make the invitation, girls.... those sounds of passion from my flat last night didn't mean anything between us....

Back to top

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams

IP Logged

cods

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 88048

Re: cheese eating surrender monkeys
Reply #72 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 3:39pm

Re: cheese eating surrender monkeys
Reply #50 - Today at 7:59am Quote Brian, Aussie, cods, pansi, svengali, Phem, you have all suggested in your own unique way that the cartoons should not have been published and that freedom of speech is not worth it if it upsets Muslims. Yet none of you will explain how far you would go to appease terrorists. Why is that? Are you scared to say?

thats not fair freedumb.......I have told you over and over what I would do.. just because you are too dumb to understand it.. not my fault..

me scared????? Grin

are you kidding me... Grin

Back to top

IP Logged

cods

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 88048

Re: cheese eating surrender monkeys
Reply #73 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 3:47pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 3:36pm:

FSS - how did this turn into a woman receiving her righteous reward for attacking a man? Smiley

FSS.....

Oddly enough - and not so oddly enough - a MAN nagging and nagging and nagging is considered 'domestic violence'.... just saying..... good for goose.. good for gander.....

I'll take another gander at the two blondies in the pool here..... but I won't goose one....man - just make the invitation, girls.... those sounds of passion from my flat last night didn't mean anything between us....

I dont think you mean that... nagging I agree USED to be the go....and it was horrible.. but nothing excuses violence...

if you were a child and witnessed your mum being bashed I think you would erase that from your mind...

pansi quite missed the point I was making...as have others..

the drunk blames the booze for his actions... rather than blame himself for drinking in the first place....drinking and violence go together....sadly...no one is forced to drink it is completely voluntary

in other words booze is no excuse to bash anyone..

rocky was asking about defence basically where does defence stop when it comes to provocation why are madmen allowed to use a cartoon as provocation to kill...

it isnt that they are allowed to do anything..

its just that they do.....

.and as long as you bear the consequences...you can of course keep provoking just understand no complaining when you get what was promised... Roll Eyes

Back to top

IP Logged

cods

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 88048

Re: cheese eating surrender monkeys
Reply #74 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 3:55pm

aquascoot wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 1:35pm:

Are you STILL trying to say that the victim of domestic violence bears responsibility for the behaviour of a violent partner.
i cant actually believe i"m reading this in 2015 Australia and from a woman and from a lefty.
Its just NUTZ

easy aqua....pansi is like me on this one....

the women [ charlie] had a choice..

she could have left....charlie could have stopped the cartoons..

b oth... knew something bad would happen ... if they chose to stay/keep drawing...

both made the wrong choice as far as we are concerned..

so if you are looking to put the blame somewhere...then you have to say the provocation /printing and staying.. was a direct cause of the eventual murders....

no one is saying the murderer is free and had rights...

they didnt but when dealing with mad people you do not provoke.them...stay away./stop. dont make it worse...

violent people are unreasonable people..

Back to top

IP Logged