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Reply #90 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 9:21pm

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You want me to defend a concept.....freedom or freedom of speech

How about you start with taking a stance? Do you support it or not Aussie?

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I'm calling you the appeaser freediver, until you walk the talk and get your butt to a mosque and tell the Muslims what you think.

You are the one afraid to take a stance Pansi.

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he basically turns a very interesting subject into a pain....

You mean I turn your empty headed, spineless appeasement into a discussion about freedom of speech? Am I getting in the way of your victim blaming?

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I think its very important to get peoples opinion on these topics...

Do you support freedom of speech pansi? How far would you go to appease terrorists?

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its laughable aussie that someone like fd thinks to cancel an abusive cartoon is giving up your FREEDOM OF SPEECH....
I mean... REALLY!

It's called self-censorship cods. Do you support it? What else would you refrain from doing in order to appease terrorists?

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Ex Dame Pansi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 24168	Re: cheese eating surrender monkeys Reply #91 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 6:14am I have come to the conclusion that it's not about "free speech' as much as Islamophobia born in the USA and spreading throughout the western world.
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Reply #92 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:31am

I dunno Pansi. knocking down the twin towers didn't seem a tad hateful to you Wink

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But I agree, it is all unhelpful.

The change in mood can only come when the non radical muslims, take on and defeat the radical muslims. it isn't a problem the west can solve.
its a problem for the religion itself. One they are handling with a head in the sand approach (very similar to the catholic churchs handling of the pedophillia issue). you just lose street cred, if you don't come down like a "ton of bricks" when your own flock are out of order.

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Reply #93 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:38am

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I have come to the conclusion that it's not about "free speech' as much as Islamophobia born in the USA and spreading throughout the western world.

Did Islamophobia make you afraid to offend Muslims? Did Islamophobia slaughter the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists? Did Islamophobia make you campaign against freedom of speech? What would it take for you to blame these Muslims for their own actions? How far would you take this spineless appeasement?

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Reply #94 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:47am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:31am:

I dunno Pansi. knocking down the twin towers didn't seem a tad hateful to you Wink

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But I agree, it is all unhelpful.

The change in mood can only come when the non radical muslims, take on and defeat the radical muslims. it isn't a problem the west can solve.
its a problem for the religion itself. One they are handling with a head in the sand approach (very similar to the catholic churchs handling of the pedophillia issue). you just lose street cred, if you don't come down like a "ton of bricks" when your own flock are out of order.

abso,utely... when the West backs away from giving a damn about things that do not appear to have a solution too...Israel and Palestine .. they cant live together let them fight...IGNORE BUTTON...

same with Fanatical extremists...who fly under the name of ISLAM...cliomaing to be the real ISLAM..

let them sort it out....if those in foreign countries wish to go and fight the good fight.. let them....tell them they cannot come back.. simple..if they bring their troubles to our shores....we will deal with them as we/the govts of the day see fit..

if it means shooting them at down.. so be it..

I am so over anyone thinking its up to US the WEST to solve all this crap...

does anyone know what ISIL wants exactly????

I dont think they even know... Angry

freediver wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 7:22pm:

b oth... knew something bad would happen ... if they chose to stay/keep drawing...

No they did not cods. This is your spineless appeasement talking, not reality. The terrorists want people to fear any sort of criticism of Islam because they do not know who will become a victim, and the want idiotic appeasement monkeys to run around blaming the victim after the fact
and telling everyone they knew all along what was going to happen and only have themselves to blame. You are doing the terrorists bidding for them. You are even lying on their behalf to help their cause. No-one here goes out of their way more than you to assist the cause of terrorism. This is about as low as it gets. Or maybe not. No wonder you refuse to say how much lower you would go

\ gawd fd has been busy sorting everyone into his little rant files.....

and you are not making the extreme terrorists worse.. by keep on insulting because insulting words are worth fighting... Roll Eyes

its ok fd I cant even be bothered trying to change your mind...you think kicking the angry terrorists will make them go away.. I get that. Roll Eyes

or do you actually think thats what APPEASEMENT MEANS?.. and you are achieving it.. Grin

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Re: cheese eating surrender monkeys
Reply #95 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:53am

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:38am:

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I have come to the conclusion that it's not about "free speech' as much as Islamophobia born in the USA and spreading throughout the western world.

Did Islamophobia make you afraid to offend Muslims? Did Islamophobia slaughter the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists? Did Islamophobia make you campaign against freedom of speech? What would it take for you to blame these Muslims for their own actions? How far would you take this spineless appeasement?

I am in favour of all humourless cartoons disappearing...

to lampoon Jews doesnt win friends.. to lampoon the Pope doesnt win friend.. to Lampoon anyoen just for the hell of is SICK...

everyone has a right to complain... and I am sure just about all those who get mocked incessantly day in day out have also complained.........just not threatened to kill

we know you dont believe in FREE SPEECH fd...your own forum tells us that...do you allow your kids to abuse other kids in the name of FREEDOM of CHOICE?.

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Reply #96 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:56am

cods wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:47am:

freediver wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 7:22pm:

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b oth... knew something bad would happen ... if they chose to stay/keep drawing...

No they did not cods. This is your spineless appeasement talking, not reality. The terrorists want people to fear any sort of criticism of Islam because they do not know who will become a victim, and the want idiotic appeasement monkeys to run around blaming the victim after the fact
and telling everyone they knew all along what was going to happen and only have themselves to blame. You are doing the terrorists bidding for them. You are even lying on their behalf to help their cause. No-one here goes out of their way more than you to assist the cause of terrorism. This is about as low as it gets. Or maybe not. No wonder you refuse to say how much lower you would go

\ gawd fd has been busy sorting everyone into his little rant files.....

Cods did you know before the Charlie Hebdo attacks that it was inevitable? Or are you confusing your amazing powers of hindsight with foresight?

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does anyone know what ISIL wants exactly????

I do. They want spineless appeasers in the west to convince people that freedom of speech is not worth defending, so they can take it from us and move on to the next liberty they find offensive.

If you ask nicely they will give you some IS pompoms.

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Re: cheese eating surrender monkeys
Reply #97 - Jan 20^th, 2015 at 8:13am

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:56am:

cods wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 7:47am:

freediver wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 7:22pm:

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b oth... knew something bad would happen ... if they chose to stay/keep drawing...

No they did not cods. This is your spineless appeasement talking, not reality. The terrorists want people to fear any sort of criticism of Islam because they do not know who will become a victim, and the want idiotic appeasement monkeys to run around blaming the victim after the fact
and telling everyone they knew all along what was going to happen and only have themselves to blame. You are doing the terrorists bidding for them. You are even lying on their behalf to help their cause. No-one here goes out of their way more than you to assist the cause of terrorism. This is about as low as it gets. Or maybe not. No wonder you refuse to say how much lower you would go

\ gawd fd has been busy sorting everyone into his little rant files.....

Cods did you know before the Charlie Hebdo attacks that it was inevitable? Or are you confusing your amazing powers of hindsight with foresight?

IF I WAS CHARLIE HEBDO I WOULD HAVE KNOWN....

IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT I KNOW I OR DIDNT KNOW...ITS WHAT CHARLIE KNEW THAT MATTERS.

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does anyone know what ISIL wants exactly????

I do. They want spineless appeasers in the west to convince people that freedom of speech is not worth defending, so they can take it from us and move on to the next liberty they find offensive.

If you ask nicely they will give you some IS pompoms.

SO DO THEY WANT US ALL TO APPEASE THEM OR JUST MUSLIMS??

I HAVE TRIED TO CONVINCE YOU YOU STIFLE MY FREEDOM ON SPEECH ON HERE......YET NOTHING I DO OR SAY APPEASES YOU... WHY WOULD THESE MAD AS A SWARM OF BEES FANATICS BE ANY DIFFERENT?..

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Reply #99 - Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 9:38am

Pansi is not the sort to let the fact she has not thought about a topic at all get in the way of prolifically posting what she "thinks" on a topic across multiple threads.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 2:50pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 1:16pm:

Pansi's concept of freedom lost:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 1:03pm:

I have lost nothing because I never wanted to publish crude cartoons about Muhammed or Jesus or any other prophet.

So tell us Pansi, at what point would you consider yourself to have lost something, and at what point would you actually stand up for your rights? Never? Better to let other people do it for you?

I wouldn't have a clue at this point in time, but it's certainly not some cartoon offending Muhammad. To me it would have to be a lot more important than that. Why start a war over a cartoon? Pathetic.

I stand up for my rights, but I'm not standing up for your fight against Islam, that's your baby and I'm happy to let you have it.

She does not even realise what is being taken from her:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 4:24pm:

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I stand up for my rights

freediver
You have a right to mock Muhammed. So far all I see is you trying to get rid of it. You stand up for nothing. You don't even know if you would stand up for any right if they tried to take it off you.

I do have a right to mock Muhammod, I am even allowed to mock Muhammod if I want to, but I don't want to. I don't even want to mock Jesus (although The Life of Brian is hilarious) or religion (except those Jews banging that little black box on their head against the wall are funny).

But all in all, I much prefer to mock Abbott, Shorty, Julie Bishop and Obama.

Of course I don't know what my reaction would be, until I know what's getting taken off me.

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Re: cheese eating surrender monkeys
Reply #100 - Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 9:48am

freediver wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 9:38am:

Pansi is not the sort to let the fact she has not thought about a topic at all get in the way of prolifically posting what she "thinks" on a topic across multiple threads.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 2:50pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 1:16pm:

Pansi's concept of freedom lost:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 1:03pm:

I have lost nothing because I never wanted to publish crude cartoons about Muhammed or Jesus or any other prophet.

So tell us Pansi, at what point would you consider yourself to have lost something, and at what point would you actually stand up for your rights? Never? Better to let other people do it for you?

I wouldn't have a clue at this point in time, but it's certainly not some cartoon offending Muhammad. To me it would have to be a lot more important than that. Why start a war over a cartoon? Pathetic.

I stand up for my rights, but I'm not standing up for your fight against Islam, that's your baby and I'm happy to let you have it.

She does not even realise what is being taken from her:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 4:24pm:

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I stand up for my rights

freediver
You have a right to mock Muhammed. So far all I see is you trying to get rid of it. You stand up for nothing. You don't even know if you would stand up for any right if they tried to take it off you.

I do have a right to mock Muhammod, I am even allowed to mock Muhammod if I want to, but I don't want to. I don't even want to mock Jesus (although The Life of Brian is hilarious) or religion (except those Jews banging that little black box on their head against the wall are funny).

But all in all, I much prefer to mock Abbott, Shorty, Julie Bishop and Obama.

Of course I don't know what my reaction would be, until I know what's getting taken off me.

pansi isnt the only one who doesnt realise what is being taken from her..

what about her rights FoS so to speak on the SHED you have sneakily started and women are n ot allowed... you do know that discrimination dont you????......

I mean here you are prattling on about YOUR version of FoS but discrimination is A>OK...

hypocrisy is thy name..

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Re: cheese eating surrender monkeys
Reply #101 - Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 9:56am

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 11:01am:

bb has changed his username, but some things cannot be hidden:

Julius Abbott wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 10:56am:

France has made a big mistake.

Supporting the publishing of these cartoons is the biggest recruitment tool that groups like IS and al-Qaeda could ever hope for.

Oh, goodie - get them all in one place - when the saturation level of AQ and IS is above a certain point.. raze it to the ground and lower....

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Reply #102 - Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 10:17am

cods wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 5:00pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 20^th, 2015 at 10:58am:

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Personally, I am against the more extreme cartoons such as his being published:

You have posted that one a few times already. Is this how you demonstrate your opposition to something being published?

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France has made a big mistake.
Supporting the publishing of these cartoons is the biggest recruitment tool that groups like IS and al-Qaeda could ever hope for.

So we should abandon freedom of speech because it makes Muslims angry?

well maybe because they kill when they say they will

but that wont stop our very own bwave leader.....

I am so proud

might even go on facebook... and put ozpol out there.. so everyone can get their FREEDOM OF SPEECH flags out and wave you as you march to face the baddies..

head on...

who will you leave the empire too fd???...just so we can start getting the WELCOME FLAG ready....

cods wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 8:38am:

how ever

they say what they mean and mean what they say... they have proved it over and over...and I for one believe them....it dosnt mean we agree with them....it just means we accept what they say....

personally I dont think it was unreasonable to ask this magazine to stop printing the cartoons.and they were asked in a kind of terrorist way..

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Reply #103 - Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 11:26am

Svengali wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 1:31pm:

Freediver and its ilk has created a culture of hostility to Islam and its adherents without regard to the fact that 99.999% of adherents to Islam are decent and peaceful people...

Every poll of Muslims in western society has shown an 'alarming' percentage of them whose opinions differ radically from those of the mainstream about the moral justification for jihad terrorism against western targets.

A poll taken in the UK of Muslim opinion after 9/11 showed only 10% of those polled were wholly and completely on the side of the west.

You need to do some Googling, but it wouldn't surprise me if some of these polling results have become 'lost' in order to appease certain 'sensitivities'.

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Reply #104 - Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 11:29am

Lord Herbert wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2015 at 11:26am:

Svengali wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 1:31pm:

Freediver and its ilk has created a culture of hostility to Islam and its adherents without regard to the fact that 99.999% of adherents to Islam are decent and peaceful people...

Every poll of Muslims in western society has shown an 'alarming' percentage of them whose opinions differ radically from those of the mainstream about the moral justification for jihad terrorism against western targets.

A poll taken in the UK of Muslim opinion after 9/11 showed only 10% of those polled were wholly and completely on the side of the west.

You need to do some Googling, but it wouldn't surprise me if some of these polling results have become 'lost' in order to appease certain 'sensitivities'.

Convenient, can't find the polls, they've been deleted. Nice wiggle work there Herbie.

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