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Re: Lying Abbott - Medicare is affordable
Reply #30 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 11:48am

Bam wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 10:54am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:53am:

Labor sustain Medicare with debt when in Govt.

Is compounding debt sustainable?

This argument is inaccurate. The reality is different. All government expenditure is funded out of consolidated revenue with appropriation bills in accordance with the Constitution. Consolidated revenue includes government bonds (the so-called "debt") but these bonds are not the main source of government revenue.

It is therefore inaccurate to point at one area of expenditure and say "that is funded with debt" while ignoring two realities: (1) debt isn't the main source of government revenue, and (2) all government expenditure is funded out of the same source of funds.

It doesn't matter what expenditure item you want to add to the equation, spending more than one earns on them is unsustainable. Perpetual budget deficits are unsustainable.

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Re: Lying Abbott - Medicare is affordable
Reply #31 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 11:56am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:46am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 7:20am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 8:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 7:32pm:

the quote was 'healthcare costs are dropping'

that's not even in the same postcode as 'fed govt spending on health is dropping'

accuracy with words can make a huge difference in outcome as the two above TOTALLY DIFFERENT statements make clear,

Healthcare costs in total are dropping, as explained that cost increase for total healthcare was 1.5% and in real terms is a decline. Did you forget how to read? Or were you doing your rounding again?

good grief... are you really suggesting that healthcare costs are dropping? Are you really that gullible? And based on a govt CONTRIBUTION level drop?

you'd believe anything. I can understand George saying this because he is a stupid persons idead of stupid. But you are not.

So I should instead believe a government minister who is mounting an ideological argument and providing no evidentiary basis? Right.

And of course healthcare costs increase, hence we look at them on a real terms basis. And based off that determine whether the costs are sustainable. Which these reports have done and determined so. In stark contradiction to the idiot mob in government who are just blabbering uncontrollably.

that was my point. costs are INCREASING and in real terms as well.

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Re: Lying Abbott - Medicare is affordable
Reply #32 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 11:57am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 10:00am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:53am:

Labor sustain Medicare with debt when in Govt.

Is compounding debt sustainable?

So Medicare is the reason we are in debt?

Id suggest it's because of

Family tax benefit nonsense
Capital gains tax reductions
Negative gearing subsidies
Paid parental leave payment by government
No tax on super contributions > 100,000 a year
Fringe benefit tax
Low corporate taxation
Diesel rebates for Gina

They have engaged themselves in a hated year long debate about Medicare, claiming the $1 billion they may save at the cost of people's health will somehow restore the budget to a good shape, and remove the structural problems within it.

There is only a one word assessment that can be made about this government: idiots.

ironically, all of those things existed well before labor came to power under a booming economy. the only thing labor did was add parental leave thus making it WORSE.

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Lying Abbott - Medicare is affordable Reply #33 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 12:03pm Actually, some were but a LOT were put in by Howard.
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sir prince duke alevine

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Re: Lying Abbott - Medicare is affordable
Reply #34 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 1:46pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 11:56am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:46am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 7:20am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 8:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 7:32pm:

the quote was 'healthcare costs are dropping'

that's not even in the same postcode as 'fed govt spending on health is dropping'

accuracy with words can make a huge difference in outcome as the two above TOTALLY DIFFERENT statements make clear,

Healthcare costs in total are dropping, as explained that cost increase for total healthcare was 1.5% and in real terms is a decline. Did you forget how to read? Or were you doing your rounding again?

good grief... are you really suggesting that healthcare costs are dropping? Are you really that gullible? And based on a govt CONTRIBUTION level drop?

you'd believe anything. I can understand George saying this because he is a stupid persons idead of stupid. But you are not.

So I should instead believe a government minister who is mounting an ideological argument and providing no evidentiary basis? Right.

And of course healthcare costs increase, hence we look at them on a real terms basis. And based off that determine whether the costs are sustainable. Which these reports have done and determined so. In stark contradiction to the idiot mob in government who are just blabbering uncontrollably.

that was my point. costs are INCREASING and in real terms as well.

Not in real terms, learn to READ!!!!! Not hard!

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Re: Lying Abbott - Medicare is affordable
Reply #35 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 1:46pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 11:57am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 10:00am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:53am:

Labor sustain Medicare with debt when in Govt.

Is compounding debt sustainable?

So Medicare is the reason we are in debt?

Id suggest it's because of

Family tax benefit nonsense
Capital gains tax reductions
Negative gearing subsidies
Paid parental leave payment by government
No tax on super contributions > 100,000 a year
Fringe benefit tax
Low corporate taxation
Diesel rebates for Gina

They have engaged themselves in a hated year long debate about Medicare, claiming the $1 billion they may save at the cost of people's health will somehow restore the budget to a good shape, and remove the structural problems within it.

There is only a one word assessment that can be made about this government: idiots.

ironically, all of those things existed well before labor came to power under a booming economy. the only thing labor did was add parental leave thus making it WORSE.

Your point again?

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Re: Lying Abbott - Medicare is affordable
Reply #36 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 1:49pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 11:57am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 10:00am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:53am:

Labor sustain Medicare with debt when in Govt.

Is compounding debt sustainable?

So Medicare is the reason we are in debt?

Id suggest it's because of

Family tax benefit nonsense
Capital gains tax reductions
Negative gearing subsidies
Paid parental leave payment by government
No tax on super contributions > 100,000 a year
Fringe benefit tax
Low corporate taxation
Diesel rebates for Gina

They have engaged themselves in a hated year long debate about Medicare, claiming the $1 billion they may save at the cost of people's health will somehow restore the budget to a good shape, and remove the structural problems within it.

There is only a one word assessment that can be made about this government: idiots.

ironically, all of those things existed well before labor came to power under a booming economy. the only thing labor did was add parental leave thus making it WORSE.

yes, thats what everyone is saying ... Howard left us with a structural deficit that we cannot afford long term

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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 75091 Gender:	Re: Lying Abbott - Medicare is affordable Reply #37 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 1:51pm longweekend58 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 11:56am: that was my point. costs are INCREASING and in real terms as well. I told you that comprehension is a problem with you When population growth is taken into account, average annual health spending of $6,430 per person was actually down in real terms .
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Re: Lying Abbott - Medicare is affordable
Reply #38 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 1:59pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 1:49pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 11:57am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 10:00am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:53am:

Labor sustain Medicare with debt when in Govt.

Is compounding debt sustainable?

So Medicare is the reason we are in debt?

Id suggest it's because of

Family tax benefit nonsense
Capital gains tax reductions
Negative gearing subsidies
Paid parental leave payment by government
No tax on super contributions > 100,000 a year
Fringe benefit tax
Low corporate taxation
Diesel rebates for Gina

They have engaged themselves in a hated year long debate about Medicare, claiming the $1 billion they may save at the cost of people's health will somehow restore the budget to a good shape, and remove the structural problems within it.

There is only a one word assessment that can be made about this government: idiots.

ironically, all of those things existed well before labor came to power under a booming economy. the only thing labor did was add parental leave thus making it WORSE.

yes, thats what everyone is saying ... Howard left us with a structural deficit that we cannot afford long term

Yes I think he is utterly confused with whatever point he was trying to make. It must be getting really hard for longy to defend the idiots. Which is hopefully a good sign that common sense is returning to him.

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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 75091 Gender:	Re: Lying Abbott - Medicare is affordable Reply #39 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 2:04pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 1:59pm: Yes I think he is utterly confused with whatever point he was trying to make I would have thought that he'd be used to his constant state of confusion by now
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Lying Abbott - Medicare is affordable Reply #40 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 2:20pm John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 1:49pm: Howard left us with a structural deficit that we cannot afford long term Labor had 2 terms to correct this and what did they do?
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Re: Lying Abbott - Medicare is affordable
Reply #41 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 2:24pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 1:49pm:

Howard left us with a structural deficit that we cannot afford long term

Labor had 2 terms to correct this and what did they do?

https://ngdagency.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/captain_print_blog.jpg

Cheesy

And the liberals said they would and have they?

What's the aim here? To have as bad a government as the previous ones? This line of argument is so redundant!

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Re: Lying Abbott - Medicare is affordable
Reply #42 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 2:53pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 1:49pm:

Howard left us with a structural deficit that we cannot afford long term

Labor had 2 terms to correct this and what did they do?

Cheesy

every attempt by labor to kerb this spending was shouted down by the libs.

Labor sill managed more in a hung parliament than the libs can do with a majority Cheesy

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Re: Lying Abbott - Medicare is affordable
Reply #43 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 2:59pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 2:53pm:

every attempt by labor to kerb this spending was shouted down by the libs

Really.....all zero of them... Grin

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 2:53pm:

Labor sill managed more in a hung parliament than the libs can do with a majority

Yes they managed to boot 2 Prime Ministers....

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Re: Lying Abbott - Medicare is affordable
Reply #44 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 3:02pm

Swagman wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 11:31am:

Bam wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 10:39am:

Swagman wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 10:23am:

Less taxpayers to pay for greater welfare and health expenses.

Labor's own report shows current levels of public expenditure is unsustainable without massive taxation increases.

Paul Keating saw this problem coming, 30 years ago. Keating introduced compulsory superannuation to bring down pension costs.

The idiots in the Coalition have consistently opposed compulsory superannuation and have not increased the compulsory threshold, not even once, despite being in office for half the time it has been in existence.

We are now paying the price for the Coalition's inaction.

The Reaper

Who's the Reaper?

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