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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Re: Lying Abbott - Medicare is affordable Reply #60 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 8:38am Abott & ilk would like to to use a technique used successfully in the USA: make the public believe that those who fall ill are at fault, morally, and if the sick have to declare bankruptcy because of medical bills then they are doubly at fault because they were financially unprepared.
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Reply #61 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 8:55am

AiA wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 8:38am:

Abott & ilk would like to to use a technique used successfully in the USA: make the public believe that those who fall ill are at fault, morally, and if the sick have to declare bankruptcy because of medical bills then they are doubly at fault because they were financially unprepared.

What's wrong with seeking (part) payment for the services of a massively qualified professional?

People pay $20 for a friggin haircut but whinge and bitch about the prospect of having to pay $7 to see a GP?

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Reply #62 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 8:58am

Swagman wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 8:55am:

AiA wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 8:38am:

Abott & ilk would like to to use a technique used successfully in the USA: make the public believe that those who fall ill are at fault, morally, and if the sick have to declare bankruptcy because of medical bills then they are doubly at fault because they were financially unprepared.

What's wrong with seeking (part) payment for the services of a massively qualified professional?

People pay $20 for a friggin haircut but whinge and bitch about the prospect of having to pay $7 to see a GP?

None. I have no problem with a reasonable co-pay if it doesn't lead to the nightmare the USA is experiencing with its healthcare (not) system.

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imcrookonit Ex Member	Re: Lying Abbott - Medicare is affordable Reply #63 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 9:00am Now here is a good idea, whats wrong with leaving medicare, and bulk billing the way it is. No Co-Payment.
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Lying Abbott - Medicare is affordable Reply #64 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 9:00am Quote: Now here is a good idea, whats wrong with leaving medicare, and bulk billing the way it is. No Co-Payment. Because the country will go broke
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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Re: Lying Abbott - Medicare is affordable Reply #65 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 9:00am Quote: Now here is a good idea, whats wrong with leaving medicare, and bulk billing the way it is. No Co-Payment. I think a reasonable co-pay could discourage those from seeing a physician needlessly.
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Reply #66 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 9:06am

Call for Senate to stop backdoor changes to Medicare
14 January, 2015 | Media Release Australian Unions call on the Senate to overturn the Abbott Government’s backdoor changes to Medicare rebates that will wipe out bulk billing and signal an end to universal healthcare in Australia.

ACTU President Ged Kearney said unions have today written to the Greens, Labor and crossbench Senators asking them to disallow the regulation Tony Abbott snuck through before Christmas.

“After failing to kill off Medicare with his GP co-payment, Tony Abbott is trying to do the same thing with this sneaky backdoor change that will see many patients slugged with a $20 fee to visit the doctor,” said Ms Kearney.

“The Senate has the power to reverse these changes with a disallowance motion and unions are urging all Senators to protect universal health care and ensure all Australians can access medical care – not just those who can afford it.”

Ms Kearney said the backdoor tactics show it is business as usual for the Abbott Government.

“If there is a need for changes to Medicare, then it should be driven by and in consultation with the community.

“We should not pretend that a crude budget cut, driven by ideological opposition to universal health care, is really about improving patient care.

“When he was scraping off the barnacles last year, Tony Abbott promised to consult with the community in 2015 – less than two weeks into the new year and those words are already proven false.

“Nothing has changed – it’s a new year but the same old Abbott Government with its agenda to drive down the living standards of all Australians, whether by dismantling Medicare or slugging university students with mortgage sized debt.”

As well as writing to the Senate, the ACTU today launched a petition urging Senators to disallow the changes to the Medicare rebate regulations when the Parliament resumes.

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Reply #67 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 9:09am

AiA wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 9:00am:

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Now here is a good idea, whats wrong with leaving medicare, and bulk billing the way it is. No Co-Payment. Sad

I think a reasonable co-pay could discourage those from seeing a physician needlessly.

We are on the same page. It's truly an insignificant payment politicized by the Senate.

It is in no way destroying Medicare. In fact, it would have been propping it up.

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imcrookonit Ex Member	Re: Lying Abbott - Medicare is affordable Reply #68 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 9:13am Thank heavens for the good people in the senate.
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Reply #69 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 9:23am

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The Australian Council of Social Service suggests saving $6.6bn a year from abolishing the private health insurance rebate

The actual savings will be smaller, due to some people ditching their health insurance policies once they have to pay full price. Modelling suggests about half of the savings will need to be reinvested into health, especially public hospitals, to make up the shortfall.

I expect the loss of customers will be limited. The private health insurance industry would fight hard to keep customers. They would cut their prices or offer basic policies with the unnecessary crap cut out of them (eg: homeopathy, running shoes). The industry has become fat and bloated on taxpayers' largesse, and abolishing the rebate would make them leaner and more efficient.

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Lying Abbott - Medicare is affordable Reply #70 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 9:24am Swagman wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 9:00am: Quote: Now here is a good idea, whats wrong with leaving medicare, and bulk billing the way it is. No Co-Payment. Because the country will go broke No it won’t! Not from Medicare, rubbish decisions from Abbott will cause us problems, not Medicare.
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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Lying Abbott - Medicare is affordable Reply #71 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 9:26am Swagman wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 9:00am: Quote: Now here is a good idea, whats wrong with leaving medicare, and bulk billing the way it is. No Co-Payment. Because the country will go broke Another silly argument from the drunken kangaroo.
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Re: Lying Abbott - Medicare is affordable
Reply #72 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 9:30am

AiA wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 9:00am:

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Now here is a good idea, whats wrong with leaving medicare, and bulk billing the way it is. No Co-Payment. Sad

I think a reasonable co-pay could discourage those from seeing a physician needlessly.

There is ZERO evidence that people are seeing doctors needlessly.

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Reply #73 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 12:04pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 8:00am:

.That is one more thing than you then Cheesy

But everything I stated is true.

Howard used the once in a century boom revenue not for ANY constructive purpose other than being re-elected. What I said above was true.

The rich got huge tax cuts, those on low incomes a few $. The stuff about asset mllionaires on Age Pension, the health care rebate etc etc—all Howard and Costello.

High income earners got the same tax cuts as you, you big boofhead.

you just don't get ANYTHING right.

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Reply #74 - Jan 19^th, 2015 at 12:15pm

AiA wrote on Jan 19^th, 2015 at 9:00am:

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Now here is a good idea, whats wrong with leaving medicare, and bulk billing the way it is. No Co-Payment. Sad

I think a reasonable co-pay could discourage those from seeing a physician needlessly.

Can we define this term "needlessly"? I agree, if I have a cold I don't need to go to the doctor. Except I'm forced by work if the illness is >1 day. So clearly I can't help this "needlessness" but similarly no co payment will stop me from going.

Unless you suggest I go to work. Let's find out the productivity losses as a result of sick people going to work and causing others to get sick. Tony wants to ruin our economy even further?

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