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Jan 17th, 2015 at 5:12pm
 

The facts on Medicare don't lie: it's affordable and effective without a GP tax



Another month, another health minister, another reboot of the discredited GP tax, but the same old false arguments.

Health minister Sussan Ley is sticking like a barnacle to the hull of the discredited and dishonest justification for the GP tax advanced by her failed predecessor, who took one year in the job to be declared Australia’s worst health minister for 40 years.

In her first public appearance this week she repeated Peter Dutton’s claims that because Medicare cost more today than it did 10 years ago, this was proof growth in health funding was “unsustainable”.

Despite Ley being unable to produce any data to support her GP tax arguments on RN’s Breakfast program this morning, there is plenty of data out there. It just says the opposite. Three expert reports from impeccable sources have proved in recent months that the argument health spending is “unsustainable” is garbage.

Diagnosis 1 came in September from the government’s own Australian Institute of Health and Welfare which revealed in its Health Expenditure Australia 2012–13 report that health expenditure is actually growing at its lowest level since it began keeping records 30 years ago.

The report found total spending on health goods and services in Australia was just 1.5% higher for the year. When population growth is taken into account, average annual health spending of $6,430 per person was actually down in real terms.

And that is total health spending. The Commonwealth’s health spending in 2012-13 actually fell by 2.4% in real terms.

Diagnosis 2 came in October from the world’s most respected economic body, in the latest OECD comparisons
http://www.oecd.org/health/health-systems/oecd-health-statistics-2014-frequently... of health spending across the developed world.

This was a double whammy for the minister, with:

    Australia’s health outcomes are significantly better than the OECD average.
    Australia’s health spending (as a percentage of GDP) is lower than the OECD average.

According to the OECD, health spending in Australia in 2011 (the most recent year for comparisons) was 9.1% of GDP, below the average of developed nations of 9.3% and just over half the 16.3% the USA spends not keeping a large percentage of its population healthy.


It’s the same story for public health expenditure. Just 6.2% of GDP for Australia, compared to an OECD average of 6.7% and a record 10.1% by the Netherlands. Spain, Italy, the USA, even New Zealand, all spend more than Australia with little evidence of better outcomes, and in many cases, far worse.

In return for that modest outlay (by international standards), Australian women can now expect to live to 84, and men 79.9 – around two years better than the OECD average for both, and close to the best in the world.

And we get this outcome with a universal health system that guarantees all Australians access to a GP or public hospital regardless of their capacity to pay.

Diagnosis 3 was November’s Bettering the Evaluation and Care of Health (Beach)http://ses.library.usyd.edu.au/bitstream/2123/11883/4/9781743324240_ONLINE.pdf report which exposed the stupidity of the stated aim of the GP tax to cut GP visits by 1 million consultations a year.

The report found Labor reforms to reward longer consultations are working, with GPs spending more time with their patients, and diagnosing an increasingly complex series of health issues.

The average consultation time is now 14.4 minutes, almost a minute longer than just three years earlier.

The authors of the report are clear that spending on GP services is a sound investment that is reducing pressure on the health budget. In an opinion piece for The Conversation entitled Medicare spending is value for money,http://theconversation.com/medicare-spending-on-general-practice-is-value-for-mo... the authors declare:

    As GP services are far cheaper than other types of medical services, discouraging GP visits by introducing a standard co-payment for most patients would increase costs to governments, now and later.
In other words, as Labor and most health experts and professionals have been telling the government since day one, cutting frontline GP services is a false saving that costs the health budget much, much more in the longer term.

So, three expert opinions, from three very different, but highly credible and independent sources all reach the same conclusion: Australia has one of the world’s most efficient and effective health systems, with no evidence that spending is unsustainable.

It’s proof that when a government is committed to Medicare it is possible to deliver an affordable and sustainable health system without making pensioners and families pay a tax every time they need a doctor.

It’s also proof that the entire rationale for the GP tax is nothing more than an ideological attempt to gut health and wreck Medicare.

The evidence is in and the figures do not lie. Medicare can continue as a strong, affordable universal health care system and it is perfectly possible to ensure that health spending is sustainable without punishing people with a GP tax version 1, 2 or 3.


http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/16/the-facts-on-medicare-dont-...
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Reply #1 - Jan 17th, 2015 at 5:33pm
 
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And that is total health spending. The Commonwealth’s health spending in 2012-13 actually fell by 2.4% in real terms.


Health spending fell? Say it ain’t so Jo, because Longy wiil say it ain’t so  Cheesy
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Reply #2 - Jan 17th, 2015 at 5:55pm
 
they don't want to cut medicare because we can't afford it, thats just their excuse ...

they want to cut medicare because they object to those less fortunate then them making use of what they see as their taxes .....

all tax expendture should be geared to go to the rich Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy (I mean the really rich, not longstupidones new definition of rich at $30k)
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Reply #3 - Jan 17th, 2015 at 5:59pm
 
I wonder if longie has opened up his engineering maths book to dispute these findings?
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Reply #4 - Jan 17th, 2015 at 6:00pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 17th, 2015 at 5:59pm:
I wonder if longie has opened up his engineering maths book to dispute these findings?


he'll dispute it anyway ... he's an ornery bugger
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Reply #5 - Jan 17th, 2015 at 7:32pm
 
the quote was 'healthcare costs are dropping'


that's not even in the same postcode as 'fed govt spending on health is dropping'


accuracy with words can make a huge difference in outcome as the two above TOTALLY DIFFERENT statements make clear,
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Reply #6 - Jan 17th, 2015 at 7:39pm
 
Context, Longy, context!

I said it, and was proved right, in the context of Medicare.

Now be a big man and apologise for saying I lied about this, eh?
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Reply #7 - Jan 17th, 2015 at 8:22pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 17th, 2015 at 7:32pm:
the quote was 'healthcare costs are dropping'


that's not even in the same postcode as 'fed govt spending on health is dropping'


accuracy with words can make a huge difference in outcome as the two above TOTALLY DIFFERENT statements make clear,


Healthcare costs in total are dropping, as explained that cost increase for total healthcare was 1.5% and in real terms is a decline.  Did you forget how to read?  Or were you doing your rounding again?
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Reply #8 - Jan 17th, 2015 at 8:24pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 17th, 2015 at 8:22pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 17th, 2015 at 7:32pm:
the quote was 'healthcare costs are dropping'


that's not even in the same postcode as 'fed govt spending on health is dropping'


accuracy with words can make a huge difference in outcome as the two above TOTALLY DIFFERENT statements make clear,


Healthcare costs in total are dropping, as explained that cost increase for total healthcare was 1.5% and in real terms is a decline.  Did you forget how to read?  Or were you doing your rounding again? 


he can read university level mathematics Alevine, who are you to question him? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #9 - Jan 17th, 2015 at 8:30pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 17th, 2015 at 8:24pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 17th, 2015 at 8:22pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 17th, 2015 at 7:32pm:
the quote was 'healthcare costs are dropping'


that's not even in the same postcode as 'fed govt spending on health is dropping'


accuracy with words can make a huge difference in outcome as the two above TOTALLY DIFFERENT statements make clear,


Healthcare costs in total are dropping, as explained that cost increase for total healthcare was 1.5% and in real terms is a decline.  Did you forget how to read?  Or were you doing your rounding again? 


he can read university level mathematics Alevine, who are you to question him? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I wonder what university level rounding technique he is using to determine that healthcare costs are increasing at an exponential rate?
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Reply #10 - Jan 17th, 2015 at 8:34pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 17th, 2015 at 8:30pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 17th, 2015 at 8:24pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jan 17th, 2015 at 8:22pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Jan 17th, 2015 at 7:32pm:
the quote was 'healthcare costs are dropping'


that's not even in the same postcode as 'fed govt spending on health is dropping'


accuracy with words can make a huge difference in outcome as the two above TOTALLY DIFFERENT statements make clear,


Healthcare costs in total are dropping, as explained that cost increase for total healthcare was 1.5% and in real terms is a decline.  Did you forget how to read?  Or were you doing your rounding again? 


he can read university level mathematics Alevine, who are you to question him? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I wonder what university level rounding technique he is using to determine that healthcare costs are increasing at an exponential rate?



Must be this one ...

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Reply #11 - Jan 17th, 2015 at 11:21pm
 
Give away free stuff.....it's sustainable...Catherine King, Labor MP for Ballarat says so...and what's more some gullible stupid people actually friggin believe her..... Grin Grin Grin

Catherine holds a degree in social work and a masters in public policy from the Australian National University but can't friggin add 1 + 1 .... Grin Grin

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Reply #12 - Jan 17th, 2015 at 11:40pm
 
Swagman wrote on Jan 17th, 2015 at 11:21pm:
Give away free stuff.....it's sustainable...Catherine King, Labor MP for Ballarat says so...and what's more some gullible stupid people actually friggin believe her..... Grin Grin Grin

Catherine holds a degree in social work and a masters in public policy from the Australian National University but can't friggin add 1 + 1 .... Grin Grin

No, this is not from Monty Python.....apparently she is serious... Grin


3 reports being cited vs 0 from that idiot ley.  Who to believe?
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Reply #13 - Jan 18th, 2015 at 12:56am
 
Let me get this right, medicare cost around $20 billion.. now we pay for medicare thanks to the medicare levy..now the levy has never recently been moved to keep up with the increase cost of heath, so the levy only is currently rising around $10 billion... so that means we are out by 10 billion and this is sustainable?

We either need a doubling of the levy or a Co-payment.

Oh wait its from the the guardian  Roll Eyes
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Reply #14 - Jan 18th, 2015 at 1:01am
 
Pantheon wrote on Jan 18th, 2015 at 12:56am:
Let me get this right, medicare cost around $20 billion.. now we pay for medicare thanks to the medicare levy..now the levy has never recently been moved to keep up with the increase cost of heath, so the levy only is currently rising around $10 billion... so that means we are out by 10 billion and this is sustainable?

We either need a doubling of the levy or a Co-payment.

Oh wait its from the the guardian  Roll Eyes



You need to learn to read.  The reports aren't from the guardian, the guardian is citing the reports.

And the government is arguing Medicare costs will increase to an unsustainable level, but the reports show this to be absolute nonsense.  Hence no need for a co payment.

One way to ensure enough funding for Medicare is to stop paying millionaires a rebate for private health insurance.  Or just end paying people on 150,000 $15 a fortnight for family tax benefits.  You know, remove nonsense ex Howard bullcrap.
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