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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75137 Gender:	Re: Milne makes a fool of herself... again Reply #30 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:41am innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:38am: How did they come to the conclusion that todays weather and co2 levels are just right? gee, i don't know ... could it be because they are comfortable when they go outside? how do you think they came to that conclusion?
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Reply #32 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:42am

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:41am:

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:38am:

How did they come to the conclusion that todays weather and co2 levels are just right?

gee, i don't know ... could it be because they are comfortable when they go outside? how do you think they came to that conclusion?

Thats very scientific Grin

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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14213 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: Milne makes a fool of herself... again Reply #33 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 11:14am innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:41am: *The Greens are going to spend waste 170 million dollars on green energy ...* The Greens can't spend waste ANYTHING on ANYTHING They don't hold GOVERNMENT - ANYWHERE They can only vote with or against governments, on legislation
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Reply #34 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 11:25am

Abbott is all over the shop with his hypocrisy and constant contradictions.....He is sceptical about CC but will still spend billions doing as little as possible to combat something he does not believe in.....He says he believes carbon emissions are causing CC but wants to mine and export even more coal and gas.....He says he believes in a price signal for health care but denies a price signal for carbon emissions is the best policy.....He promotes CC sceptics to positions where they make decisions on something they deny is occurring and expects people to accept this is the best way to develop policy.....Abbott is a total flake who is so inconsistent he cannot be trusted!!!

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Reply #35 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 12:00pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 8:09am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 7:28am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 9:14pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 8:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 8:22pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 8:09pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 7:59pm:

nothing like it .... global warming, agree or not, is based on science, not religion

No, sorry, its based on politics, science has taken a back seat Grin

politics may be driving the denialists, but just about every major SCIENTIFIC organisation in the world supports the theory of man made climate change. thats not politics.

Yes, but who do we believe? Longy said only 30% of scientists believe in global warming.

Do we go with the gloom merchants, or mathematical experts like Longy?

LW is wrong about the only 30% statement however even if he were correct it does include virtually 100% of the climate scientists.

unlike the '97%' claim, the 30% result came out of a peer-reviewed study. and it included all scientists.

The 97% "claim" was ONLY made up of climate scientists

The "reviewed study" included veterinarians, pharmacists and podiatrists ( ... or any "scientist" looking for a "research grant")
- and was "funded" by the

Koch Brothers

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Heartland Institute

so if you want to use funding as a credibility test then we can dismiss virtually all climate studes ever done since they were all done by govt funded, biased groups dependent on govt research funds for their existence.

Unlike you I mix with environmental scientists all the time included some who are among the worlds best in their fields. Frankly, 30% overstates the number of climate change hysterics among them.

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Reply #36 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 12:01pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 8:21am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 7:28am:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 9:14pm:

Karnal wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 8:27pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 8:22pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 8:09pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 17^th, 2015 at 7:59pm:

nothing like it .... global warming, agree or not, is based on science, not religion

No, sorry, its based on politics, science has taken a back seat Grin

politics may be driving the denialists, but just about every major SCIENTIFIC organisation in the world supports the theory of man made climate change. thats not politics.

Yes, but who do we believe? Longy said only 30% of scientists believe in global warming.

Do we go with the gloom merchants, or mathematical experts like Longy?

LW is wrong about the only 30% statement however even if he were correct it does include virtually 100% of the climate scientists.

unlike the '97%' claim, the 30% result came out of a peer-reviewed study. and it included all scientists.

Have a link to the peer-reviewed study ?

The only thing I can find on the subject is a survey with no verification that the respondents were even scientists let alone qualified in the field.

It was discussed on here at some length and I do not have the link. Mind you, would it matter? is there a single chance that anyone on here will ever believe a single proven fact not in alignment with their ideology? And as proof, the goldfish-memory posters on here are once again asking yet again for a link to something that has been repeatedly given - usually to the same people.

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Reply #37 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 12:02pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:41am:

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:38am:

How did they come to the conclusion that todays weather and co2 levels are just right?

gee, i don't know ... could it be because they are comfortable when they go outside? how do you think they came to that conclusion?

and you can tell the difference between 2014 and 2013 with its supposed 0.02degree difference?

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Reply #38 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 1:53pm

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:42am:

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:41am:

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:38am:

How did they come to the conclusion that todays weather and co2 levels are just right?

gee, i don't know ... could it be because they are comfortable when they go outside? how do you think they came to that conclusion?

Thats very scientific Grin

you don't need a PhD to know when you are comfortable.

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Reply #39 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 1:55pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 12:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:41am:

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:38am:

How did they come to the conclusion that todays weather and co2 levels are just right?

gee, i don't know ... could it be because they are comfortable when they go outside? how do you think they came to that conclusion?

and you can tell the difference between 2014 and 2013 with its supposed 0.02degree difference?

I'm certainly sweating more than I used to.

when you add that .02 to next years .02 and the .02 the year after that and so on and so on , how long do you think before you can tell the difference? never mind the fact that by the time you can tell its to late Cheesy

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Reply #40 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 3:03pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 12:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:41am:

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:38am:

How did they come to the conclusion that todays weather and co2 levels are just right?

gee, i don't know ... could it be because they are comfortable when they go outside? how do you think they came to that conclusion?

and you can tell the difference between 2014 and 2013 with its supposed 0.02degree difference?

Longy, you really need to change this figure. A 0.2 degree rise per year would be catestrophic.

I don’t want you to be seen as an alarmist or troublemaker. Change the maths, please.

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Reply #41 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 6:13pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 1:55pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 12:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:41am:

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:38am:

How did they come to the conclusion that todays weather and co2 levels are just right?

gee, i don't know ... could it be because they are comfortable when they go outside? how do you think they came to that conclusion?

and you can tell the difference between 2014 and 2013 with its supposed 0.02degree difference?

I'm certainly sweating more than I used to.

when you add that .02 to next years .02 and the .02 the year after that and so on and so on , how long do you think before you can tell the difference? never mind the fact that by the time you can tell its to late Cheesy

100-200 years, maybe more. Unless you think you can tell without looking, the difference between 32 and 34 degrees.

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Reply #42 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 6:15pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 6:13pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 1:55pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 12:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:41am:

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:38am:

How did they come to the conclusion that todays weather and co2 levels are just right?

gee, i don't know ... could it be because they are comfortable when they go outside? how do you think they came to that conclusion?

and you can tell the difference between 2014 and 2013 with its supposed 0.02degree difference?

I'm certainly sweating more than I used to.

when you add that .02 to next years .02 and the .02 the year after that and so on and so on , how long do you think before you can tell the difference? never mind the fact that by the time you can tell its to late Cheesy

100-200 years, maybe more. Unless you think you can tell without looking, the difference between 32 and 34 degrees.

yes, 34 degrees is slightly warmer than 32 ... you can't tell?

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Reply #43 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 6:52pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 12:01pm:

It was discussed on here at some length and I do not have the link. Mind you, would it matter? is there a single chance that anyone on here will ever believe a single proven fact not in alignment with their ideology? And as proof, the goldfish-memory posters on here are once again asking yet again for a link to something that has been repeatedly given - usually to the same people.

the goldfish-memory posters on here are once again asking yet again for a link to something that has been repeatedly given

It was just the other day that I provided a link for about the 20th time to one gold fish about John Howard being drunk in parliament.

It was discussed on here at some length

Not by me I mostly tend to have little interest some of the topics on this subject as there is no point with only opposite views and minds locked to their position.

My feeling is that if it were true it would be revealed by a simple google search, it is the type of thing people would regularly reference if it had credibility and I did several unsucessful searches to find the info myself before asking.

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Reply #44 - Jan 18^th, 2015 at 6:54pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 6:15pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 6:13pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 1:55pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 12:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:41am:

innocentbystander. wrote on Jan 18^th, 2015 at 9:38am:

How did they come to the conclusion that todays weather and co2 levels are just right?

gee, i don't know ... could it be because they are comfortable when they go outside? how do you think they came to that conclusion?

and you can tell the difference between 2014 and 2013 with its supposed 0.02degree difference?

I'm certainly sweating more than I used to.

when you add that .02 to next years .02 and the .02 the year after that and so on and so on , how long do you think before you can tell the difference? never mind the fact that by the time you can tell its to late Cheesy

100-200 years, maybe more. Unless you think you can tell without looking, the difference between 32 and 34 degrees.

yes, 34 degrees is slightly warmer than 32 ... you can't tell?

If that difference is a long term global outcome the difference would primarily be shown by the loss of world food production leading to about half a billion people not being able to survive.

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